A Pressure Cooker for Insight | Bart van Melik

Mar 31, 2021 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Bart van Melik, co-author of "Still, in the City," discusses relational dharma or insight dialogue, a meditation practice for bringing mindfulness into conversations. He shares techniques like "pause" and "relax" to cultivate presence and openness in interactions, reducing "people stress."

At a Glance
17 Insights
1h 5m Duration
12 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Relational Mindfulness and Insight Dialogue

The Self-Awareness Trap of Internal Meditation

Origin and Impact of Insight Dialogue Practice

Mindfulness of Internal and External Feeling Tones

Relational Mindfulness in Challenging Environments

Practical Instruction: The Power of Pause

Practical Instruction: Relaxing into Experience

Practical Instruction: Opening Awareness to Internal and External

The Importance of Playfulness in Practice

Recognizing and Learning from Unmindful Moments

The Impact of Silence and Speaking Up

Closing Thoughts: The Pause That Remembers

Relational Mindfulness

A meditation practice that trains awareness not only of internal experiences but also of another person or people in front of you, allowing one to be connected to their own body-mind while being open to others. It helps bridge the gap between internal self-awareness and how one is with other people.

Insight Dialogue

A formal relational meditation practice developed by Gregory Kramer that bridges the gap between personal meditation and interpersonal interaction. It involves specific instructions for meditating in conversation, often described as a 'pressure cooker for insight' due to its ability to reveal habitual patterns in relating to others.

Feeling Tone

A concept from Buddhist teaching referring to the pleasant, unpleasant, or neutral sensation that arises in any moment of sensory contact. This can be felt internally (e.g., cold hands) or observed externally in others (e.g., a child's mood) or in the 'vibe' of a community, indicating a shared human experience.

Wise Speech

A Buddhist teaching that guides communication. It involves checking whether what is said is true, kind, helpful, appropriate, and timely. This practice is enhanced by relational mindfulness, as attunement to the relational field allows one to discern the most skillful way to speak.

Psychic Self-Defense

A term used by Stan Kohler, connecting meditation to martial arts, to describe how awareness can protect oneself. It suggests that mindfulness, whether internally or externally focused, can be a form of self-protection from unhelpful thoughts, habits, or external threats, especially relevant in challenging environments.

?
What is relational mindfulness?

Relational mindfulness is a meditation practice that involves being aware of both your internal experiences and the presence of others, enabling you to stay connected to yourself while engaging with the world and people around you.

?
Can meditators become self-aware internally but not externally?

Yes, it is not uncommon for meditators to become quite self-aware internally through focused practice, but sometimes miss a key aspect of awareness: how they are with other people, leading to a 'classic meditation trap' of being internally focused but not externally.

?
How does relational mindfulness help bridge the gap between internal and external awareness?

Relational mindfulness helps by providing formal practices that train you to be present with your own body-mind while also being mindful of others, allowing you to notice what's going on around you without losing a sense of self.

?
How can one practice being mindful of both internal and external experiences simultaneously?

One can practice by noticing 'feeling tones' (pleasant, unpleasant, neutral) both within their own body and in others or the 'vibe' of a community. This trains the mind to quickly shift awareness between internal and external phenomena, fostering a more integrated presence.

?
What are the key instructions for practicing Insight Dialogue?

The key instructions are Pause, Relax, and Open. Pause involves stopping speaking or redirecting awareness to the body; Relax means softening tension and cultivating a receptive attitude; and Open encourages expanding awareness to both internal and external experiences.

?
How can 'pause' be practiced in daily conversations without being disruptive?

Pausing can be an internal redirection of awareness to the body, like remembering a 'soft belly,' without necessarily stopping the conversation. It can also involve a literal brief stop in speaking, which can make others more attentive and allow for gathering thoughts and connecting with the body.

?
What is the purpose of 'relax' in relational mindfulness?

Relax, following a pause, is about physically softening tension (e.g., jaw, shoulders, belly) and mentally cultivating an attitude of receiving or allowing what is happening, even if unpleasant. It connects awareness with kindness and helps heal what the pause reveals.

?
How can one practice 'open' in relational mindfulness?

The 'open' instruction can be practiced by starting with internal body awareness, then slowly expanding to external sensory experiences like sounds, and then visual objects like nature. The goal is to feel connected to oneself while being receptive to external phenomena, playing with the balance of internal and external awareness.

?
Why is it important to use the word 'play' instead of 'work' when talking about meditation practice?

Using 'play' instead of 'work' can make the practice more accessible and enjoyable. Play implies repetition without fear of mistakes, a sense of joy, and a natural engagement, which can be more effective for establishing and maintaining a meditation habit than a mindset of 'working' on it.

1. Practice Relational Mindfulness

Learn to be aware of what’s going on within you while also being mindful of another person in front of you, allowing you to be present with your body-mind and open to others. This practice bridges the gap between internal self-awareness and how you are with other people, addressing a common source of suffering.

2. Implement the “Pause” Practice

In conversations, deliberately pause (either by stopping speaking or internally shifting attention) to reconnect with your body and notice any internal sensations like tension. This helps you remember to be present, gather information about the situation, and break habitual, unmindful responses, especially with close family members.

3. Follow “Pause” with “Relax”

After pausing and noticing tension (physical or mental), actively try to soften physical tension (e.g., softening your belly, loosening your jaw, letting shoulders hang) and adopt an attitude of receiving or allowing what’s happening. This fosters kindness and creates space to bear witness, promoting healing for what the pause reveals.

4. Cultivate “Open” Awareness

Practice expanding your field of awareness by first focusing internally (feeling your body), then slowly opening to external experiences (e.g., sounds, sights in nature like daffodils) while maintaining a connection to your internal self. This trains your ability to balance internal and external attention, which is crucial for relational presence.

5. Practice Wise Speech

Before speaking, check if what you are about to say is true, useful/helpful, kind, and timely/appropriate, as taught by the Buddha. This practice, supported by presence in the relational field, allows for spontaneous and skillful communication rather than habitual reactions.

6. Recognize Shared Human Experience

When experiencing difficult emotions or self-judgment, acknowledge that these are often universal human experiences, not unique to you. This communal recognition can reduce feelings of isolation and foster compassion for yourself and others.

7. Find Your Easiest Entry to Practice

Identify and engage in activities where cultivating presence feels natural and easy, even if it doesn’t look like traditional sitting meditation (e.g., mindful swimming, movement). This creative approach increases the likelihood of establishing and maintaining a consistent mindfulness practice.

8. Reframe Practice as “Play”

Shift your mindset from viewing mindfulness and meditation as “work” to “play.” This perspective encourages repetition, reduces fear of mistakes, and brings a sense of joy and engagement, making the practice more sustainable and enjoyable.

9. Be Mindful of Silence’s Impact

In important discussions, especially on topics like social injustice, become sensitive to the impact of your silence. Recognize that remaining quiet can sometimes be a form of hiding behind privilege, and relational mindfulness can reveal this impact.

10. Appreciate Moments of Waking Up

When you notice yourself becoming mindful or “waking up” in the midst of daily activities, acknowledge and appreciate it as a sign that your practice is working. This shifts focus from self-judgment to recognizing progress and fostering joy.

11. Attune to Non-Verbal Cues

Pay close attention to non-verbal communication from others, such as vocal pitch, speech speed, and physical gestures. This deepens your understanding of the relational field and helps you respond more appropriately and timely.

12. Use “Pause” as Reminder

Adopt the word “pause” as a personal, internal reminder or mini-mantra to trigger moments of presence and connection to your body throughout your day. This helps integrate mindfulness into daily living.

13. Focus on “The Between”

During conversations, make the co-created space or “field between” you and others an object of your mindfulness, noticing the emerging connection, curiosity, or kindness. This keeps you engaged in the present moment of the relationship.

14. Shift Mindfulness Focus

Experiment with consciously shifting your mindfulness between internal sensations (e.g., your own body) and external observations (e.g., another person’s movements or breathing). This empowers you to adjust your attention based on what’s most helpful in a given relational situation.

15. Trust Emergence, Avoid Interrupting

Practice deep listening by allowing others to speak fully without interruption, trusting that your own responses will emerge spontaneously when it’s your turn. This fosters more authentic and less pre-planned interactions.

16. Observe Shared Breathing

Practice observing the breath of others (e.g., a child, a stranger on a train) while simultaneously feeling your own breath. This visceral experience helps to understand that fundamental human experiences like breathing are shared, not individually owned.

17. Reflect on Actions Repeatedly

Adopt the Buddha’s teaching to his son: repeatedly reflect on what you say, do, or think, checking if it causes harm to yourself or others. This continuous self-reflection, like using a mirror, guides you toward skillful and non-harming conduct.

If you think you're enlightened, go spend a week with your family.

Ram Dass

Most of our suffering and stress is people stress. Most of the practices in lots of traditions are only focused personally. This practice that I'm going to invite you into called Inside Dialogue will exactly bridge that gap.

Gregory Kramer

This relational practice of inside dialogue, naming it a pressure cooker for insight.

Bart van Melik

I feel joy knowing I'm not the only one who judges themselves.

Jonathan (16-year-old student)

Relax, that attitude heals, what pause reveals.

Gregory Kramer

It's the pause that remembers.

Bart van Melik

Insight Dialogue Key Instructions

Bart van Melik (describing Gregory Kramer's instructions)
  1. Pause: Stop speaking or redirect awareness to connect with the body, especially when lost in conversation content. This can be an internal shift or a literal brief stop in speaking.
  2. Relax: After pausing, physically soften tension in the body (e.g., belly, jaw, shoulders). Mentally, cultivate an attitude of receiving or allowing what is happening, even if unpleasant, fostering kindness and ease.
  3. Open: Expand the field of awareness. Start by feeling the body internally, then slowly open to external experiences like sounds, and then visual objects (e.g., nature). Play with balancing awareness between internal sensations and external surroundings without losing a sense of self.
12 to almost 13 years
Years Bart van Melik has been in America As of the recording of the conversation
5
Number of aspects of wise speech True, kind, helpful, appropriate, and timely