A Radical Strategy for Dealing With Difficult People | Father Gregory Boyle

Nov 13, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Father Gregory Boyle, a Jesuit priest and founder of Homeboy Industries, discusses his decades of work with gang members, emphasizing the power of "no matter whatness" in love and the importance of cherishing others. He shares practices for managing stress, finding joy, and approaching difficult people with compassion and expansive tenderness.

At a Glance
25 Insights
1h 4m Duration
19 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Father Gregory Boyle and Homeboy Industries

Founding and Evolution of Homeboy Industries

Coping with Stress and Sadness in Challenging Work

Understanding 'Putting Death in Its Place'

Discovering True Self Through Loving

Homeboy's Approach: Cherishing Over Measuring Up

Motivating with Joy: 'Love Never Stops Loving'

Distinguishing Between 'What Works' and 'What Helps'

The Concept of Unshakable Goodness and Belonging

Belief in Horrible, Not Evil: A Health Perspective

Bridging Distance and the Illusion of Separation

Practicing Compassion: Catching Yourself from Judgment

The 'No Matter Whatness' of Love and Support

Setting Boundaries Without Closing Doors

Reimagining God: Beyond Preposterous Notions

Images and Stories of an Expansive God

The Meaning Behind 'The Whole Language'

The Power of Extravagant Tenderness

Optimism for World Change and Faithful Action

Putting Death in Its Place

A practice of deciding what is more powerful than death and what fates are worse than death, allowing one to feel grief without being toppled by it, and achieving internal freedom from its power.

Discovering True Self in Loving

The most powerful thing in the world, achieved by recognizing one's inherent goodness and belonging, which makes one sturdy and resilient against life's challenges.

What Helps vs. What Works

A distinction where 'what works' might achieve short-term results (e.g., fear-based motivation) but doesn't necessarily foster growth or well-being, while 'what helps' always leads to positive, lasting change and is rooted in invitation and joy.

Unshakable Goodness

The core belief that every human being is fundamentally good, regardless of their actions or circumstances, and the human journey is about living from this inherent goodness rather than trying to achieve it.

Horrible vs. Evil

The perspective that while horrible actions and events exist, 'evil' as an inherent state in a person does not; instead, people who commit horrible acts are seen as despondent, traumatized, broken, wounded, or mentally ill, implying a need for health and wholeness.

No Matter Whatness

A profound and constant presence of unconditional love and support, akin to parental love, where disappointment or discouragement are not part of the vocabulary, and one remains steadfastly present for others 'till the wheels fall off' and beyond.

The Whole Language

A metaphor for being fluent in 'extravagant tenderness' and loving kindness, recognizing that kindness is the only non-delusional response to all situations, and it involves seeing people's pain rather than judging their behavior.

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How did Homeboy Industries begin?

Homeboy Industries started in 1988 when Father Gregory Boyle was pastor of the poorest parish in Los Angeles, nestled between two large public housing projects with eight warring gangs, leading him to bury many young victims of gang violence.

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How does Father Boyle cope with the stress and sadness of his work?

He copes by staying anchored in the present moment, delighting in the people in front of him, and practicing 'putting death in its place' so that grief doesn't topple him.

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What does it mean to 'put death in its place'?

It means recognizing that death has no ultimate power or 'sting' over us, by identifying things more powerful than death (like discovering one's true self in loving) and fates worse than death (like not knowing one's true self).

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How does Homeboy Industries motivate people to change?

Homeboy Industries motivates people through joy and invitation, rather than admonition or holding up a bar for them to measure up to, by creating a safe space where people are seen, cherished, and reminded of their unshakable goodness.

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Why does Father Boyle believe in 'horrible' but not 'evil'?

He believes horrible things happen, but he has never met an 'evil' person; instead, he sees individuals who commit such acts as despondent, traumatized, broken, wounded, or mentally ill, suggesting that these actions stem from a lack of health and wholeness.

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How can individuals avoid demonizing others in a world of division?

Individuals can avoid demonizing others by practicing 'catching yourself' before judgment, presuming compassion, and remembering that everyone is unshakably good and belongs to each other, focusing on health and wholeness rather than hate.

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Does 'no matter whatness' mean there are no consequences or boundaries?

No, 'no matter whatness' does not preclude consequences or boundaries; Homeboy Industries will let people go if they are not ready, but they always invite them back with love when they are, maintaining an open door and a 'sturdy, rock solid place' for their return.

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How does Father Boyle view the concept of God, especially for those who find the word 'God' triggering?

He aims to help people move beyond 'preposterous' or 'puny' notions of God (like a wrathful, judgmental God) towards a 'spacious, expansive' understanding, often using images and stories of unconditional love and presence, like 'the God who can't take her eyes off of you.'

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What is 'the whole language' according to Father Boyle?

'The whole language' refers to being fluent in 'extravagant tenderness' and loving kindness, which he considers the only non-delusional response to everything, focusing on seeing people's pain rather than judging their behavior.

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How does 'extravagant tenderness' create change?

Extravagant tenderness softens people into a place where they no longer resist their true selves, allowing them to feel cherished and then move to offer that same tenderness to others, creating a ripple effect of connection and healing.

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How optimistic is Father Boyle about the world changing through love and tenderness?

He is optimistic, viewing change as a 'long haul' and incremental process, emphasizing faithfulness to love rather than focusing on immediate success or outcomes, believing that systems change when cherished people change and extend that cherishing to others.

1. Discover True Self in Loving

Find your true self in loving to become sturdy and resilient, as this is the most powerful thing in the world and prevents “fates worse than death” (not knowing your true self).

2. Embrace Universal Belonging

Recognize that everyone belongs and is unshakably good, with no exceptions, to overcome separation and foster connection.

3. Practice Never-Ending Love

Make it your practice to never stop loving, as love is about constancy and is where true joy is found, regardless of whether it’s returned.

4. Put Death in Its Place

Compile two lists: things more powerful than death and fates worse than death, to prevent death from having power over you and to cultivate internal freedom.

5. View Horrible as Ill Health

When encountering horrible actions, see them as symptoms of ill health (trauma, brokenness) rather than inherent evil, fostering compassion and a path to wholeness.

6. Be Fluent in Tenderness

Strive to be fluent in “extravagant tenderness,” anchored in loving kindness, as it is the only non-delusional response that softens people and frees them to be their true selves.

7. Create Safe, Cherishing Spaces

Create safe places where people can be seen and cherished, as this changes people by altering their brain’s hardwiring and leads to systemic change.

8. Invite, Don’t Demand

Instead of holding up a bar and asking people to measure up, invite them to show up to their truth, as this is an invitation to joy rather than a grim duty.

9. Reflect True Self

Hold a mirror up to people to help them see and acknowledge their unshakable goodness and belonging, allowing their soul to feel its worth.

10. Remind of Inherent Truth

Remind people of the truth of who they are so they can inhabit and become that truth, as this inherent goodness is unassailable.

11. Prioritize What Helps

Focus on doing things that genuinely help, rather than just what “works,” because helpful actions lead to positive change and growth.

12. Catch Judgmental Inclinations

Practice catching yourself before demonizing or judging others, as this helps you stand in awe of what people carry rather than judging how they carry it.

13. Presume Compassion Always

Always presume that compassion is the answer to every question, guiding your responses and actions away from judgment.

14. Cherish Every Breath

Continuously cherish others with every breath, reflecting back the truth of who they are, as this incremental practice fosters a cycle of cherishing.

15. Use Mantras for Presence

Employ mantras or useful phrases to consistently return to the present moment, helping you delight in, listen to, and notice the people around you.

16. Anchor in Present, Delight in Others

To manage stress and sadness, practice staying anchored in the present moment and delighting in the people who are in front of you.

17. Convey “No Matter Whatness”

In relationships, especially during mistakes, convey an unwavering “no matter whatness” to foster healing and trust, assuring others of your constant presence and acceptance.

18. Maintain Boundaries, Keep Door Open

Set wise boundaries and allow for consequences, but never close the door on people, always inviting them back when they are ready to change.

19. Approach Hostility with Tenderness

When faced with hostility, walk towards it with tenderness rather than away, as this approach can soften people and foster genuine connection.

20. Be a Counter Space

Create or participate in “counter spaces” that model a different, better way of belonging and community, rather than just preparing people for the existing world.

21. Go to Margins to Be Changed

Engage with marginalized communities not to make a difference, but to allow the people there to make you different, preventing burnout and fostering mutual transformation.

22. Be Faithful to Love

Focus on being faithful to a love that never stops loving, rather than being driven by specific outcomes or success, to prevent burnout and align with a deeper purpose.

23. Fire Preposterous Gods

Actively challenge and discard any “preposterous” or limiting notions of God or guiding principles that are unhelpful, in favor of a more expansive and enriching understanding.

24. Apply Mystical Filter

Interpret religious texts and teachings with a “mystical filter,” discerning what resonates as true and helpful while acknowledging their inspired but imperfect nature.

25. Tell Stories of Love

Use stories and poetry to create and share images of expansive, unconditional love, as these narratives help to grasp the ineffable more effectively than abstract words.

Death is a punk.

Moreno (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

Change of clothing.

The Dalai Lama (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

Systems change when people change, and people change when they're cherished.

Father Gregory Boyle

Not everything that works helps, but everything that helps works.

Father Gregory Boyle

The problem in the world is we've forgotten that we belong to each other.

Mother Teresa (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

How do you stand in awe at what people have to carry rather than in judgment at how they carry it?

Father Gregory Boyle

How can they take my advantage if I'm giving my advantage?

Father Gregory Boyle

Who says the real world got this right?

Father Gregory Boyle

Once you know the God of love, you fire all the other gods.

Mirabai Starr (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

It's true that you're created in the image and likeness of God, but it's equally true that our image of God creates us.

Richard Rohr (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

Love is God's religion.

Rumi (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

I wish you were God.

Nellie (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

If I get to heaven and you're not there, I'm not staying.

Father Gregory Boyle

Relax, you're barking to the choir.

Homeboy Baker (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

Damn, he spoke the whole language.

Louie (recounted by Father Gregory Boyle)

You go to the margins not to make a difference. You go to the margins so that the folks there make you different.

Father Gregory Boyle

We're not called to be successful, we're called to be faithful.

Father Gregory Boyle
1988
Homeboy Industries founding year
255
Kids buried due to gang violence by Father Boyle As of four weeks prior to the interview
15,000
People served by Homeboy Industries annually
10
Number of social enterprises at Homeboy Industries
18 months
Duration of Homeboy Industries' training program
34 years
Years Homeboy Industries has been operating
300
Number of programs in Global Homeboy Network (US)
50
Number of programs in Global Homeboy Network (outside US)
10 years or so
Years the Global Homeboy Network has been around