An Uncomfortable (But Meaningful) Conversation About Race | Lama Rod Owens

Jun 3, 2020 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Lama Rod Owens, author of "Love and Rage," encourages embracing discomfort, especially for white people, in conversations about race. He emphasizes vulnerability, asking consent, and connecting to the body to process trauma and engage authentically.

At a Glance
23 Insights
1h 17m Duration
18 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Embracing Discomfort in Racial Conversations

Modeling Dialogue on Difficult Issues

White Fear and Discomfort in Racial Discussions

James Baldwin's Influence: White Pain and Violence

Black Heartbreak and the Language of Unheard Riots

The Urge to Intellectualize vs. Feeling in Dialogue

Noticing Bodily Discomfort and Building Trust

Cookie Seeking and the Vigilance Against Elusive Conditioning

Lama Rod's Experience of Systemic Trauma and Disappointment

Dan's Personal Story of Childhood Shame and Racial Dynamics

The Practice of Understanding Others' Hidden Stories

Emotional Labor and Historical Conditioning of Black People

Whiteness, Disembodiment, and the Intellect

Professionalism as a Cover for Whiteness

Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation Through Anger

Cultivating Spaciousness and Agency Over Emotions

Practicing Trauma Work Where You're At

Sustaining Engagement: Relationships, Education, and Awareness

Disembodiment (in whiteness)

Whiteness, particularly in the American context, often demands a disconnection from the body. The intellect becomes a safe space to retreat to, allowing individuals to avoid grappling with the trauma of conditioned whiteness and the pain of others.

Black Heartbreak

A deep disappointment and rage rooted in being born into systems of power, hierarchy, and discrimination (like racism and patriarchy) without consent. This conditioning restricts resources for health, well-being, and happiness, giving rise to deep anger and rage.

Cookie Seeking

A tendency observed in white people engaging in anti-racism work, where they seek praise, validation, or a 'dopamine hit' for their efforts, rather than purely focusing on the work itself. This can be a subtle form of seeking comfort.

Emotional Labor (for people of color)

The effort and energy people of color, Black people, and Indigenous folks are often compelled to expend to manage the feelings and perceptions of white people, particularly in discussions about race, in order to survive spaces or access necessary resources.

Love (as a strategy for working with anger)

In Lama Rod's practice, love is an expression of acceptance, allowing one to accept without judgment everything arising in their experience. This acceptance helps disrupt clinging to difficult emotions and narratives, maintaining spaciousness around the material.

Agency over Anger

The ability to cultivate spaciousness around anger and rage, understanding them as temporary experiences passing through the mind and body, rather than being overwhelmed or controlled by them. This allows for conscious engagement with anger as a tool for liberation.

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Why is it important to engage in dialogue about difficult issues, especially racial ones?

It's crucial to model conversation around difficult issues, especially given centuries of conditioning that determine how different racial groups relate to one another, which often involves significant discomfort.

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What is the underlying meaning when white people express fear of 'saying the wrong thing' in discussions about race?

This fear often masks deeper discomfort, resentment, and an unwillingness to confront internal biases or the ways whiteness has conditioned them to bypass suffering and maintain comfort.

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How can white people approach Black people to discuss racial issues without causing further burden?

A good first step is to genuinely ask, 'How are you?' or 'How is your heart?' to check in on their emotional state and understand if they are resourced enough to engage, and to ask for consent before sharing personal struggles.

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What is 'Black heartbreak' and how does it relate to current civil unrest?

Black heartbreak is a deep disappointment and rage stemming from being born into and conditioned by systems of racism that restrict well-being. Current civil unrest, including riots, can be understood as the 'language of the unheard,' an expression of this profound hurt within a system that cannot hold it.

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Why is intellectualizing or analyzing often unhelpful in conversations about racial pain?

Intellectualizing can be a way to retreat from the body and bypass the felt experience of oppression and privilege. To communicate authentically, one must stay within the language of felt experience, returning to the body rather than escaping into pure analysis.

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How does Lama Rod Owens define 'love' in the context of his book 'Love and Rage'?

For Lama Rod, love is an expression of acceptance, meaning the ability to accept without judgment everything that arises in one's experience. This acceptance helps disrupt clinging to difficult emotions and narratives, maintaining spaciousness around them.

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How can individuals sustain engagement with racial issues beyond immediate news cycles?

Sustained engagement requires cultivating genuine relationships with Black people and people of color, educating oneself on the historical and systemic roots of current issues, and intentionally practicing bringing one's attention back to social realities, much like in meditation.

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What is the personal benefit for white individuals in embracing the discomfort of engaging with racial issues?

Embracing this discomfort leads to greater freedom and authenticity, allowing individuals to acknowledge what's truly happening within and around them. This 'emotional labor' helps release hidden, repressed experiences, ultimately leading to a sense of feeling 'okay' and reducing harm in interactions.

1. Embrace Discomfort

Actively embrace discomfort, especially when engaging with difficult issues and conversations, as it is a necessary and good time for growth and understanding.

2. De-Center Comfort, Center Discomfort

Shift your focus away from seeking personal comfort and instead allow discomfort to be centered in discussions about deeply impactful issues, as owning and embracing it is part of the work for everyone.

3. Body-Centered Vigilance

Continuously drop back into your body to check for sensations of fear, discomfort, or tendencies to shut down, as the body tells the truth about what’s happening and helps prevent the mind from bypassing reality.

4. Practice At Your Appropriate Level

Engage in self-awareness practices, such as connecting with the body, at a level that is appropriate for your individual trauma history and current capacity, acknowledging that even minimal engagement is valid and beneficial.

5. Confront Pain for Healing

Be willing to confront and experience pain and discomfort, as this process is necessary to understand, release, and heal from past wounds, ultimately reducing harm for oneself and others.

6. Embrace Discomfort for Freedom

Cultivate a belief in achieving freedom through discomfort, understanding that engaging with and releasing hidden, repressed experiences, though challenging, leads to greater authenticity and liberation.

7. Strive for ‘Being Okay’

Aim for the state of ‘being okay’ in your personal practice, defining it as the ability to manage what arises, experience safety, and make choices, recognizing it as a profound and hard-won achievement.

8. Cultivate Diverse Relationships

Actively build and maintain relationships with people from different backgrounds, especially Black individuals, to foster an equitable society and ensure continued engagement with important social issues beyond news cycles.

9. Self-Educate on Systemic History

Commit to self-education by reading and studying the historical foundations and perpetuation of systems in America, particularly concerning race, to understand current events and how to undo them.

10. Return Awareness to Social Reality

Intentionally practice bringing your mind and awareness back to social realities, similar to how one returns to an anchor in meditation, to counteract the tendency to bypass difficult truths and foster deeper understanding.

11. Model Difficult Conversations

Engage in and model conversations around difficult issues, particularly those involving centuries of conditioning, to foster better understanding and relation between different groups.

Before sharing personal struggles related to race with Black friends, ask for their consent to ensure they are resourced and able to hold that space, making the conversation easier for both parties.

13. Check In With ‘How’s Your Heart?’

Initiate conversations by asking ‘How are you?’ or ‘How is your heart?’ to check in with others, fostering empathy and determining if they are able to engage in deeper, more vulnerable discussions.

14. Feel, Don’t Just Think

When someone shares something vulnerable, pause to check in with your own feelings and body sensations, rather than immediately intellectualizing or interrogating their experience.

15. Lean Into Discomfort

When strong discomfort arises in difficult conversations, lean into it rather than getting distracted or shutting down, as this builds trust and is crucial for addressing ingrained conditioning.

16. Sustain Discomfort, Avoid Praise

When engaging in anti-racism work, continue to embrace discomfort and avoid seeking praise or ‘cookies,’ as this work is ongoing and requires vigilance against elusive conditioning.

17. Don’t Disengage After Praise

After receiving acknowledgment for engaging in difficult work, do not disengage and return to comfort, as this work is continuous and requires sustained effort beyond initial steps.

18. Train the Mind for Liberation

Work to train the mind, as an untrained mind can become an ’enemy of liberation’ by shutting down the body’s truth and preventing engagement with uncomfortable realities.

19. White People Must Undo Whiteness

White individuals must actively undertake the work of ‘undoing whiteness,’ as this specific conditioning in the American context can only be disrupted by those who experience it.

20. Assume Best Intentions

Develop a practice of assuming that people are doing the best they can in any given moment, which fosters empathy and prevents harsh judgments.

21. Share Personal Stories

Actively share personal stories, including formative childhood experiences, to foster understanding and liberation, helping others grasp the roots of individual struggles and behaviors.

22. Seek Underlying Pain

When faced with behaviors or viewpoints you disagree with, especially from groups like protestors, actively wonder about the underlying pain that drives their actions, fostering a more compassionate understanding.

23. Assess Resource Capacity

Before initiating difficult or emotionally taxing conversations, ask the other person if they are sufficiently ‘resourced’ to engage, ensuring their participation is voluntary and not driven by external pressures.

I think it's important right now that we model conversation around difficult issues.

Lama Rod Owens

There's just a fear of saying the wrong thing and being humiliated.

Dan Harris

Riots are the language of the unheard.

Lama Rod Owens

If you can't feel my pain, then you're not going to help me disrupt the systems that perpetuate the pain.

Lama Rod Owens

We have to de-center comfort and then allow discomfort to be centered in the discussion.

Lama Rod Owens

The body tells a truth, and the mind comes in and says, 'No, we can't handle that truth.'

Lama Rod Owens

You gotta bust your ass to be okay.

Lama Rod Owens

Engaging in Difficult Conversations (for white people)

Lama Rod Owens
  1. Ask, 'How are you?' or 'How is your heart?' to check in with the other person.
  2. Understand if the other person is resourced enough to hold your sharing.
  3. Ask for consent before sharing your own struggles or vulnerabilities related to race.
  4. Be willing to engage with your own discomfort and notice bodily sensations.
  5. Avoid retreating into pure intellect; stay connected to felt experience.
  6. Be vigilant against 'cookie seeking' and the elusive conditioning of whiteness.
  7. Cultivate genuine relationships with people of color.
  8. Educate yourself on the historical and systemic roots of racial issues.
  9. Intentionally bring your attention back to social realities, de-centering comfort.
three-year
Duration of Lama Rod Owens' silent meditation retreat Completed by Lama Rod Owens, after which he was recognized by the Kagyu School of Tibetan Buddhism.
1968
Year Dr. King gave his 'The Other America' speech Speech where he stated that 'riots are the language of the unheard.'
400 years
Approximate duration of systemic trauma for Black people in America Refers to the historical period since ancestors were introduced as slaves into the American context.
20 years
Approximate duration of Lama Rod Owens' meditation practice Time spent cultivating spaciousness around anger and rage.