Can Radical Decluttering Significantly Boost Your Happiness? | Bonus Conversation with The Minimalists

Jun 23, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus, The Minimalists, discuss their new documentary, "Minimalism," which explores starting over with less. They delve into how decluttering physical possessions and internal burdens can lead to greater satisfaction, challenging the cultural belief that acquisition brings lasting happiness.

At a Glance
18 Insights
41m 9s Duration
17 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to The Minimalists and their new film

Purpose and themes of the new Minimalism documentary

Diagnosing societal rot: consumerism and replacing community with stuff

The void, attachment to stuff, and the nature of suffering

Chasing success and the concept of equanimity

Mindfulness, no mind, and flow states

Ryan's backstory: growing up poor and chasing money

Josh's backstory: childhood chaos and seeking financial success

Defining minimalism: making room for life's important things

Practical steps to start minimalism: the 'Less Is Now' challenge

The 'Packing Party' method for rapid decluttering

Minimalism's broader impact on career and relationships

Distinguishing minimalism from mere decluttering

Biggest pitfalls for aspiring minimalists

Personal struggles with attachment and the desire to give advice

The difference between intimacy and attachment in relationships

The language problem of 'love' for people versus things

Deficit Advertising

This is a corporate trick where advertising is designed to make consumers subconsciously feel inadequate if they do not possess a particular product. It preys on perceived deficiencies to drive consumption.

Attachment as Suffering

The core problem in consumer culture is not a lack of decluttering tips, but the attachment to stuff. This attachment leads to suffering because things are impermanent, and constantly craving more means never having enough.

Mindfulness vs. No Mind

Mindfulness is the capacity to be non-judgmentally and warmly aware of whatever is happening in one's mind, including thoughts, emotions, and sensations. The 'no mind' or 'flow state' is seen as the freedom of being in this present awareness, rather than being consumed by the impermanent 'actors and props' on the mind's stage.

Consumerism as Compulsory Consumption

Consumerism is defined as the problem of compulsory consumption, where individuals feel compelled to buy things, often driven by a societal void or external pressures. Minimalism seeks to address this by promoting deliberate decision-making about what one brings into their life.

Intimacy vs. Attachment

Intimacy is likened to holding someone with an open palm, signifying a loving connection without possessiveness or conditions. Attachment, in contrast, is like holding someone with a closed fist, implying a clinging or conditional relationship that can prohibit absolute love.

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What is the new Minimalists documentary about, and how does it differ from the first one?

The new film, 'Minimalism,' is fundamentally about starting over with less, focusing on the 'why' behind simplifying life and the burdens of stuff, distractions, and obligations. It serves as a prequel, detailing Josh and Ryan's personal journey from corporate life to minimalism, and features everyday minimalists and experts.

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What is the core problem that minimalism attempts to address in modern culture?

The core problem is a 'rot' in culture where social connection is downplayed, and community is replaced with stuff, making people vulnerable to advertising that suggests they are insufficient without the next purchase. This creates a void that people try to fill with material possessions, leading to constant craving and dissatisfaction.

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How do The Minimalists define minimalism?

Minimalism is defined as the practice that helps people move past material possessions to make room for life's most important things, which are not physical objects. It involves owning only items that serve a purpose or enhance one's tranquility and life experience, rather than accumulating excess stuff.

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What are some practical ways to begin practicing minimalism?

One practical approach is the '30-day Less Is Now Challenge,' where participants get rid of one item on day one, two on day two, and so on, for 30 days. Another method is the 'Packing Party,' where all belongings are packed as if moving, and only necessary items are unpacked over three weeks, revealing the extent of unused possessions.

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What is the difference between minimalism and mere decluttering?

Decluttering is seen as a tactical action focused on removing clutter, which can be a solution but might not address the root problem. Minimalism, in contrast, is a more holistic and strategic philosophy that scrutinizes the fundamental attachment to stuff and examines one's overall priorities and relationship to every aspect of life, not just physical possessions.

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What are common pitfalls for people trying to adopt a minimalist lifestyle?

A major pitfall is the misconception that simply throwing away stuff will automatically lead to happiness. Minimalism is not a direct path to happiness, but rather a way to create a 'blank slate' that can be scary and forces individuals to confront underlying issues they may have avoided.

1. Love People, Use Things

Prioritize loving people and using objects, rather than loving objects and using people, as this reflects a fundamental shift in values.

2. Understand Root Problems First

Before seeking solutions, focus on understanding the underlying problem, because only by understanding the ‘why’ can you identify the true solution and allow the ‘how’ to take care of itself.

3. Question Life with Less

Begin your journey of simplification by asking yourself, ‘How might my life be better with less?’ This reflection helps uncover your personal ‘why’ for change.

4. Practice Non-Judgmental Awareness

Cultivate the capacity to be non-judgmentally and warmly aware of whatever is happening in your mind, including thoughts, emotions, and bodily sensations, as this is the essence of mindfulness.

5. Shift to Mind’s Stage

Instead of being consumed by the ‘movie’ of your thoughts and desires (like acquiring stuff), drop back into the freedom of being the ‘stage’ of your mind, which is the awareness itself.

6. Own Purposeful, Enhancing Items

Adopt the principle that everything you own should either serve a purpose, increase your tranquility, augment your experience, or enhance your life in some meaningful way.

7. Constantly Question Possessions

Regularly question the things you currently hold onto and any new items you consider bringing into your life to ensure they align with your values and truly add value.

8. Priorities Are Your Actions

Assess your true priorities not by what you say they are, but by how you actually spend your 24 hours each day, including your time and resources.

9. Recognize and Address Craving

Become aware of the ‘craving’ for more (e.g., more cash, clout, cars), as this constant need indicates that you will never have enough, leading to yearning and misery.

10. Seek Internal Peace

Strive to uncover peace from within, rather than trying to find it through external achievements, material success, or results, which are often fleeting.

11. Re-evaluate Busyness

Stop equating busyness with a positive state; recognize that constantly saying ‘I’m busy’ often indicates that your life is out of control and needs simplification.

12. Establish Personal Boundaries

Set clear boundaries in your life, such as with work or social obligations, to protect your personal time and well-being, even if it feels unconventional.

13. Examine Stuff, Re-evaluate Life

Use the process of examining your relationship to material possessions as a catalyst to re-evaluate and simplify other significant aspects of your life, such as your career and relationships.

14. Prepare for Blank Slate

Understand that creating a ‘blank slate’ through minimalism can be scary, as it may force you to confront underlying issues and create new paths you haven’t faced before.

15. Cultivate Open-Handed Intimacy

Practice intimacy in relationships by ‘holding people with your palm open’ rather than with a ‘fist closed,’ meaning you love and want the best for them without clinging or imposing conditions.

16. Let Go of Giving Advice

Practice letting go of the impulse to give advice or convince others that your way is right; instead, speak your truth and allow it to help those who resonate with it, without attachment to their acceptance.

17. 30-Day Decluttering Challenge

Engage in the ‘30-day less is now challenge’ by finding a partner and getting rid of one item on day one, two items on day two, and so on for a month, to build momentum in decluttering.

18. Packing Party Decluttering Method

For a more extreme approach, pack all your belongings as if you’re moving, then only unpack items as you need them over the next three weeks to reveal how much you truly use (can be adapted for a single room).

Minimalism is the thing that gets us past the things so we can make room for life's most important things, which actually aren't things at all.

Joshua Fields Millburn

If we're always craving or chasing, then maybe we're always, that's just transit of math, right? Yeah, I've had to find peace outside of all of those things. I think it's about sort of uncovering peace, not finding it, really.

Joshua Fields Millburn

The problem is not a lack of instructions. Just to see if I can restate that. It's almost like you're saying decluttering, which you're not against, is by its nature tactical, whereas minimalism is more holistic and strategic.

Dan Harris

My meditation teacher, Joseph Goldstein, talks about something along the lines of the difference between intimacy and attachment. The real intimacy we misunderstand. It is kind of like the difference between holding somebody with your fist closed and holding somebody with your palm open.

Dan Harris

You need to remember to love people and use things rather than to love things and use people.

Joshua Fields Millburn

30-Day Less Is Now Challenge

Ryan Nicodemus
  1. Find a friend, family member, or foe who also wants to get rid of stuff.
  2. On the first day of the month, get rid of one item.
  3. On the second day, get rid of two items.
  4. Continue this pattern, getting rid of N items on day N, for 30 days.
  5. The person who lasts the longest wins; if both win, they've each gotten rid of about 500 items.
  6. Bet a small item, like a meal, to make it more interesting and entertaining.

Packing Party

Ryan Nicodemus
  1. Pack all your belongings as if you are moving (clothes, kitchenware, towels, TVs, electronics, framed photos, toiletries, furniture you're not using).
  2. Over the next three weeks, unpack only the items you need as you need them.
  3. Observe what remains packed at the end of the three weeks to confront the amount of unused possessions.
  4. For a less extreme approach, start with one room, like a closet or garage, instead of the entire home.
300,000
Number of items in the average American household Mentioned in the context of widespread discontent despite material abundance.
$50,000
Ryan's target annual income for happiness in the 90s Based on observing a middle-class house and asking his dad what income was needed to own it.
90%
Percentage of possessions Josh got rid of Achieved within eight months of discovering minimalism.
85%
Percentage of Ryan's belongings remaining packed after his 'packing party' Represents the amount of stuff he realized he wasn't using over three weeks.
30
Number of everyday minimalists featured in the new film Showcases diverse individuals affected by the first film.
17 to 70
Age range of minimalists featured in the film Illustrates that minimalism transcends age boundaries.