Catherine Price, Redefining Your Relationship with Your Phone

May 2, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Catherine Price, author of 'How to Break Up With Your Phone,' discusses transforming an obsessive phone relationship into a mindful 'friends with benefits' situation. She emphasizes setting boundaries, cultivating awareness, and redefining life priorities to use your phone intentionally for joy and utility.

At a Glance
35 Insights
55m Duration
17 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Listener Voicemail: Guided Meditation Dependency

Listener Voicemail: Meditation Journaling

Introduction to Catherine Price and 'How to Break Up With Your Phone'

Catherine Price's Meditation Journey and Self-Compassion

Connecting Mindfulness to Parenting and Managing Distraction

The Catalyst for 'How to Break Up With Your Phone': The Still Face Experiment

Redefining Your Phone Relationship: From Obsession to 'Friends with Benefits'

The Importance of Philosophical Self-Inquiry Before Practical Hacks

Cultivating Awareness and Creating 'Speed Bumps' for Phone Use

Understanding Dopamine Triggers and the Allure of 'Newness'

Strategies for a Saner Phone Relationship: Removing Triggers and Replacing Habits

Managing Email and Notifications Effectively

Personal Strategies for Reducing Automatic Phone Checking

The Four-Week Plan to Break Up With Your Phone

The Impact of Phones on Attention and Focus: The 'Unmeditating' Effect

Screen Time for Children and Brain Development

Maintaining a Healthy, Imperfect Relationship with Your Phone

Thoughts as Invitations

This mental model suggests that the mind constantly presents ideas, but one does not have to follow every thought. Instead, you can choose which direction to take, recognizing that many thoughts are not necessarily beneficial or productive.

Still Face Experiment

A research experiment where parents interact with their babies with a completely still, unresponsive face for a minute. The babies typically 'freak out,' demonstrating the profound negative impact of disengagement in human interaction, which can be mirrored by phone use.

Friends with Benefits Phone Relationship

This framework redefines one's connection to their phone from an 'obsessive romantic relationship' to a more functional one. It means using the phone for when it's truly useful or enjoyable, but establishing clear boundaries to prevent constant craving and disengagement from real life.

Speed Bumps

These are intentional obstacles or changes to your phone or environment designed to interrupt automatic phone checking. Examples include changing lock screen images, putting a rubber band around the phone, or placing apps in less accessible folders, forcing a conscious decision before engagement.

Dopamine Triggers

Dopamine is a brain chemical released in response to activities our brains deem worth repeating, such as eating or sex. Phones are packed with dopamine triggers, especially those offering new and unpredictable information (like social media likes or new emails), which reinforces compulsive checking behavior.

Prefrontal Cortex Exhaustion

The prefrontal cortex, the brain's executive control center, becomes fatigued from the constant decision-making and processing of distractions encountered online. When tired, it 'checks out,' allowing more primitive, distractible parts of the brain to take over, leading to reduced concentration and attention spans.

WWW Framework

A three-part self-inquiry process for conscious phone use: 'What for?' (what are you picking up your phone to do?), 'Why now?' (what's the situational trigger, like boredom?), and 'What else?' (what alternative actions could you take?).

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Can you become too dependent on guided meditation?

While it's possible, it's generally not a significant problem, especially if guided meditations help you maintain a practice. A mix of guided and unguided meditation is often ideal, as guided sessions can improve practice by reminding you of core principles.

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Is keeping a meditation journal beneficial or detrimental to practice?

If a meditation journal is useful for you, it's fine to keep one. However, it can become distracting if you find yourself wrestling with the urge to write during meditation, and its value is questioned unless for specific purposes like reporting to a teacher.

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What is the core philosophy behind changing one's relationship with their phone?

The core philosophy is to step back and decide what is truly important in your life, then define the role your phone should play in supporting that, moving from an 'obsessive romantic relationship' to a 'friends with benefits' situation with clear boundaries.

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Why are simple 'hacks' like turning a phone to grayscale often insufficient for changing phone habits?

Hacks alone are often insufficient because they lack a deeper purpose. Without first defining what you want your life to be and why you want to change your phone use, these superficial tricks are unlikely to lead to lasting behavioral change.

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How does one begin to change their relationship with their phone?

Begin by cultivating awareness of how you feel when using your phone, noticing the emotional and physiological responses. Then, create 'speed bumps'—small obstacles—to interrupt automatic behaviors and prompt conscious decisions about engagement.

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How do phones impact our attention and focus?

Phones act as 'distraction machines' that constantly expose us to new stimuli, training our brains to be distractible. This tires out the prefrontal cortex, the executive control center, making it harder to concentrate and effectively 'unmeditating' our brains.

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What is the recommended approach to children's screen time?

It is recommended to be very careful with children's screen time, limiting it to essential functions like video calls with grandparents and avoiding highly stimulating content like YouTube Kids, as children's developing brains are particularly vulnerable to constant stimulation.

1. Consciously Direct Attention

Recognize that ‘our lives are what we pay attention to,’ meaning you only experience and remember what you focus on, making every attention decision a broader life decision.

2. View Thoughts as Invitations

Understand that your mind constantly presents ideas, but you don’t have to follow all of them, giving you the power to choose your mental direction.

3. Cultivate Self-Compassion

Engage in the process of cultivating compassion and non-judgment towards yourself, which can be profoundly useful for dealing with self-hatred and fostering kindness.

4. Choose Your Emotional Response

In stressful situations, recognize you can choose to continue down a negative path or take a step back to reframe the situation, giving you control over your emotional state.

5. Redefine Phone Relationship

Shift your mindset from merely spending less time on your phone to spending more time on your life by consciously redefining your relationship with your device.

6. Cultivate Phone Awareness

Practice noticing how you feel in the moment while using your phone, as this awareness provides the option to continue or change your behavior.

7. Use WWW Framework

Before engaging with your phone, ask ‘What for?’, ‘Why now?’, and ‘What else?’ to make conscious decisions about your phone use and explore alternative actions.

8. Replace Unwanted Phone Habits

Understand that while habits can’t be broken, they can be changed by replacing an unwanted behavior with a new one, especially for dopamine-driven phone use.

9. Deactivate All Notifications

Turn off all notifications, including audible alerts, visual bubbles, and browser tab counts, to prevent the dopamine-activating Pavlovian response to new information.

10. Design Home Screen as Tools

Configure your phone’s home screen with only practical tools (e.g., maps, utilities) rather than tempting apps, to avoid automatic engagement and distraction.

11. Delete Distracting Apps

Remove problematic apps like Instagram from your phone to create a barrier, making it harder to access them and reducing impulsive checking.

12. Reorganize Apps for Less Temptation

If not deleting, move tempting apps to an interior page of your phone or into a folder with a warning label, requiring active effort to access them.

13. Implement Phone ‘Speed Bumps’

Create physical or digital obstacles, such as changing lock screen images or putting a rubber band around your phone, to force a moment of conscious decision before use.

14. Process Emails to To-Do List

Instead of using your inbox as a holding pen, convert emails into actionable tasks on a separate to-do list to free your mind from unresolved loops and calm your inbox.

15. Use Blocking Apps

Employ apps like ‘Freedom’ to block access to specific apps and websites at set times, helping you stick to desired phone-free periods or work blocks.

16. Remove Phone from Leisure Rooms

Physically remove your phone from rooms where you engage in leisure activities, like watching TV, to prevent mindless checking and enhance presence.

17. Engage Hands with Alternatives

When trying to avoid phone use, provide yourself with an alternative activity for your hands, such as holding a cup of tea, to redirect the impulse.

18. Establish Phone ‘Bedtime’ Location

Designate a consistent, specific place for your phone to ‘sleep’ overnight, ideally outside your bedroom, to reduce decision fatigue and promote phone-free evenings.

19. Charge Phone in Inconvenient Spot

Charge your phone in an awkward or inconvenient location, like a closet, so that any attempt to check it requires conscious effort and reminds you of your intention.

20. Avoid Drowning in News

Evaluate your news consumption habits and consider deleting news apps from your phone, relying on desktop checks or physical newspapers to stay informed without feeling overwhelmed.

21. Week 1: Cultivate Phone Awareness

As the first step in a four-week plan, take time to pay attention to how your phone makes you feel and reconnect with activities that genuinely bring you joy.

22. Week 2: Implement Practical Changes

In the second week of the phone breakup plan, apply practical ‘hacks’ to your phone and environment, now guided by your established goals and awareness.

23. Week 3: Rebuild Attention Span

Dedicate the third week to rebuilding your concentration by practicing meditation, mindfulness, or simply reading a book for 10 minutes without phone distraction.

24. Week 4: Evaluate & Solidify Habits

During the final week, evaluate your progress, reflect on what you’ve learned, and create a written record of your new habits to ensure long-term adherence to your redefined phone relationship.

25. Take a 24-Hour Phone Break

Between weeks three and four of the plan, commit to a full 24-hour period completely away from your phone, which is often challenging but ultimately rewarding.

26. Minimize Child Screen Time

Be very careful with children’s screen time, limiting it to essential communication like video calls with grandparents and avoiding highly stimulating content like YouTube Kids.

27. Announce Phone Use to Children

Reduce the amount of time children see you on your phone, and when you do use it, announce what you’re doing to model conscious and intentional use.

28. Practice Mindfulness with Children

Consciously choose to be fully present when with your children, avoiding phone use, radio, or news, and using their interest in the world as your own meditation practice.

29. Reframe Boredom with Children

When feeling bored during repetitive activities with children, use it as a reminder to question ‘what’s boring?’ and try to rediscover wonder and enjoyment in their fascination.

30. Mix Guided and Unguided Meditation

Strive for a balance between guided and unguided meditation in your practice, as a mix can provide both structure and personal exploration.

31. Use Guided Meditation for Practice

Incorporate guided meditations to stay connected to the core purpose of the practice, especially when doing it alone might lead to feeling lost or disconnected.

32. Acknowledge Distraction in Meditation

Recognize that getting distracted during meditation is inevitable; the ‘win’ is simply noticing the distraction and gently returning your attention to the practice.

33. Evaluate Meditation Journaling

Consider keeping a meditation journal if it genuinely feels useful for your practice or for discussing with a teacher, but re-evaluate if it becomes a distraction during meditation.

34. Apply the ‘Middle Path’

Approach your meditation practice with skillfulness, finding a ‘middle path’ rather than rigid yes/no answers, to avoid getting hung up on minor aspects.

35. Practice Body Scans or Environmental Sound Meditation

Explore meditation techniques like body scans or scanning the environment for sounds if traditional visualization methods don’t work well for you.

Our lives are what we pay attention to, meaning that you only experience what you pay attention to and you're only going to remember what you pay attention to.

Catherine Price

It's not about spending less time on your phone. It's about spending more time on your life.

Catherine Price

My mind is like a very good friend who's also totally nuts. And so I keep it around like I'm going to engage with these thoughts that I have, but I don't always need to actually go with them.

Catherine Price

Thoughts are really invitations.

Catherine Price

It's okay to get distracted. In fact, it's inevitable. The win is to notice when you become distracted and to start again.

Dan Harris

Your home screen, I mean, it should be tools, not temptations.

Catherine Price

We are conducting this society-wide, unregulated science experiment with our minds by just flooding the population with all of these devices.

Dan Harris

The Four-Week Phone Breakup Plan

Catherine Price
  1. Week 1 (The Wake-Up): Take a step back to pay attention to how you feel when using your phone and reconnect with the things you genuinely love and that bring you joy.
  2. Week 2 (Practical Changes): Make practical changes to your phone and environment (e.g., deleting tempting apps, moving icons, turning off notifications) to make desired behaviors easier.
  3. Week 3 (Rebuilding Attention): Engage in practices like meditation, mindfulness, or simply reading a book for 10 minutes without distraction to rebuild your attention span.
  4. Interim Step: Between Week 3 and 4, take a full 24-hour break from your phone.
  5. Week 4 (Evaluation and New Habits): Evaluate what you've done, reflect on what you've learned, and create a written record of your new habits and relationship with your phone for long-term maintenance.

WWW (What for, Why now, What else) Exercise

Catherine Price
  1. What for?: Identify the actual reason you are picking up your phone.
  2. Why now?: Consider the situational trigger (e.g., in an elevator, boredom).
  3. What else?: Think about alternative actions to achieve the same result or something entirely different (e.g., just look at the elevator door).

Phone 'Bedtime' Routine

Catherine Price
  1. Charge your phone in a consistent, out-of-the-way place, such as a closet, starting around dinnertime.
  2. Turn up the volume so that actual phone calls (from real people) can still be heard, effectively making it a 'landline'.
  3. If you feel the need to check your phone in the evening, go to its designated 'bed' (e.g., the closet) and use it while it's still plugged in. This awkward position serves as a reminder and discourages prolonged, mindless use.
4 hours
Average daily phone screen time Based on a tracking app with 4.8 million users; represents a quarter of waking lives or a sixth of total life.
3 years old
Catherine Price's daughter's age Her daughter's age when Catherine realized her phone habits needed to change.
24 hours
Duration of phone break in the plan A full-on break from the phone recommended between week three and four of the phone breakup plan.
8 years ago
Time since Catherine Price started meditating She started meditating for a writing assignment for O Magazine.