Dan St. Germain, 'Takes a Village to Keep Me Going'
This episode features comedian and writer Dan St. Germain, who openly discusses his struggles with substance abuse, anxiety, and panic attacks. He shares his comprehensive daily routine involving meditation, prayer, and therapy, alongside host Dan Harris's advice on flexible meditation practices and managing expectations.
Deep Dive Analysis
17 Topic Outline
Addressing Anxiety During Breath Meditation
Navigating Desirable States in Meditation Practice
Dan St. Germain's Early Struggles with Addiction
Experiences and Limitations of Addiction Rehab
Connecting Addiction, Ambition, and Suffering
History of Panic Attacks and Bipolar Disorder
Relapse, Klonopin, and a 'Village' Approach to Sobriety
Understanding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
Introduction to Transcendental Meditation (TM)
Critique of TM and Seeking Deeper Spiritual Practice
Experiences at Silent Meditation Retreats
Benefits of Consistent Meditation and Sobriety
Dan St. Germain's Daily Routine for Mental Health
Addiction Among Creative Types and the 'Wound of Existence'
Balancing Comedy's Demands with Personal Values
The Stress of the Entertainment Industry
Finding Peace with Career Uncertainty
2 Key Concepts
Spiritual Malady
Dan St. Germain describes this as a mental state characterized by repeating negative self-stories, dwelling on past regrets, and fearing the future. This prevents one from living in the present moment and contributes to a continuous cycle of dissatisfaction.
Wound of Existence
Dan Harris uses this term to describe the inherent difficulty and confusion of being alive, which is a universal human experience. People often cope with this 'wound' through denial or deliberate numbing, rather than confronting the fundamental challenges of existence.
6 Questions Answered
If breath focus causes anxiety, switch to a different meditation technique such as focusing on the feeling of your whole body sitting, your hands, your rear end, walking meditation, loving-kindness meditation, or open awareness (mental noting).
The goal of meditation is not to reach a specific state or feel a certain way, but to see clearly whatever arises in your mind so you aren't controlled by emotions and thoughts. It's advisable to drop expectations and observe what your mind and body present in any given moment.
Addiction, like other compulsive behaviors, often stems from a desire for peace and quiet, or a belief that external achievements (jobs, relationships, success) will bring lasting happiness. However, these external things are often never enough, leading to suffering and a continuous cycle of seeking.
Rehab typically provides a month of sobriety and can offer some learning, but it primarily serves as a temporary 'timeout' rather than a complete cure, as the underlying desire to use may persist afterward.
Both 12-step programs and meditation share a core principle of accepting life on its own terms and acknowledging that one is not in control of everything, fostering a sense of presence and acceptance.
Comedians can balance this by policing their own lines, recognizing when certain language causes harm even if not intended, and understanding the difference between 'punching up' (criticizing the powerful) and 'punching down' (targeting vulnerable groups).
12 Actionable Insights
1. Build Comprehensive Recovery Support
For managing addiction and mental health challenges like panic attacks, establish a multi-faceted support system including daily meditation, prayer, weekly 12-step meetings, a cognitive therapist, a psychiatrist, and couples therapy. This ‘village’ approach provides robust, ongoing support to prevent relapse and maintain well-being.
2. Establish Daily Morning Ritual
Implement a consistent morning routine including prayer (e.g., Serenity Prayer), listening to inspirational content, a sit-down meditation, and writing a daily gratitude list. This structured start to the day helps ground you and manage mental health challenges.
3. Seek Inner Contentment
Recognize that external achievements (jobs, relationships, career milestones) will not bring lasting happiness or ‘save’ you; instead, cultivate contentment with where you are in the present moment. This prevents the cycle of suffering caused by constantly seeking the ’next thing’ to fill an internal void.
4. Diversify Meditation Focus
If focusing on your breath during meditation causes anxiety or panic-like symptoms, switch to other meditation objects like the feeling of your whole body, hands, or rear end, or try walking, loving-kindness, or open awareness meditation. This helps avoid self-criticism and allows for continued practice without distress.
5. Drop Meditation Expectations
Avoid fixating on achieving specific desirable states or feelings during meditation, as the true goal is to clearly observe whatever arises in your mind and body without judgment or control. This helps prevent attachment to outcomes and fosters genuine awareness.
6. Combat Negative Self-Talk with Meditation
Employ meditation as a grounding practice to counter the ‘spiritual malady’ of negative self-talk, dwelling on the past, and fearing the future, thereby fostering presence in the moment. Specific techniques like breathing in for two seconds and exhaling for four can help lower heart rate and calm the mind.
7. Focus on Personal Best
Shift your mindset from striving for ’top spots’ or external validation to simply being the best version of yourself and doing your best, letting outcomes unfold naturally. This approach fosters a saner attitude and reduces the burden of envy and competition.
8. Recognize Addiction’s Progression
Understand that addiction, initially perceived as fun or a coping mechanism, inevitably progresses from ‘fun’ to ‘angry’ to ‘sad,’ ultimately ceasing to work and causing more harm. This insight serves as a warning and a call to seek help before reaching the later stages.
9. Cultivate Career Flexibility
Develop a mindset that acknowledges the possibility of career changes or setbacks, and actively consider alternative career paths (e.g., mental health field) to reduce fear and find peace in knowing you’ll be okay if your current work stops. This fosters resilience and reduces anxiety about the future.
10. Supplement Meditation with Compassion
While Transcendental Meditation (TM) and mantra-based practices can be effective for stress reduction, consider supplementing them with practices that cultivate compassion for yourself and others. This helps address deeper ‘soul’ needs and fosters kinder interactions.
11. Self-Police Speech, Punch Up
In creative fields like comedy or in general communication, actively self-police your language to avoid using hurtful words, even unintentionally, and focus on ‘punching up’ (critiquing those in power) rather than ‘punching down’ (targeting vulnerable groups). This promotes ethical communication and reduces harm.
12. Pause Before Posting
Before tweeting or posting on social media, pause and consider if your ‘first thought’ is truly accurate or constructive, as often the initial impulse can be ‘wrong.’ This helps prevent impulsive, potentially harmful, or regrettable online communication.
5 Key Quotes
The goal of meditation isn't to feel a certain way, isn't to reach a desirable place. The goal of meditation is to see clearly whatever is coming up in your mind so that you aren't always controlled and governed by your random emotions and urges and thoughts.
Dan Harris
The one reason I drank is cause I just wanted like that five minutes of peace and quiet.
Dan St. Germain
It takes a village to keep me going because I know, you know, when I'm like, when you get handcuffed, ever getting beat up on the street, you're kind of like, this isn't, I can't casually do this anymore.
Dan St. Germain
I always have to like, like meditation for me is a real way to ground myself, um, before I get started and to kind of feel, you know, feel my, even like simple things like Salzburg talks about breathing in for, for two seconds, then breathe in half or four seconds and your, your heart rate lowers, you know?
Dan St. Germain
I used to live in a lot of fear about that, but I'll be okay if I don't make it, like I'll be okay. If this stops, sometimes I get great relief thinking that it'll stop.
Dan St. Germain
1 Protocols
Dan St. Germain's Morning Routine for Sobriety and Mental Health
Dan St. Germain- Pray (Serenity Prayer, Our Father, Dalai Lama's favorite prayers).
- Listen to something inspirational or meditative (e.g., 'beginner's mind') in the shower.
- If time allows, do a sit-down meditation (using an app or focusing on breath).
- If short on time, do a walking meditation while commuting.
- Write a daily gratitude list, focusing on simple things like having an apartment or food.
- Try to find an inspirational quote.
- Engage in service once a month.