Discomfort: A Counterintuitive Source of Hope | Sebene Selassie
Dan Harris and Sebene Selassie, author of 'You Belong' and a popular Ten Percent Happier meditation teacher, discuss hope as a powerful skill. They explore how cultivating personal capacity and spiritual friendship, alongside Buddhist concepts, helps navigate challenges from difficult conversations to the climate crisis.
Deep Dive Analysis
13 Topic Outline
Introduction: Hope as a Skill and Personal Challenges
Distinction Between Big Hope and Local, Individual Hope
Dan and Sebene's Challenging Conversation: Details and Context
Sebene's Reflection: Practice Showing Up in Difficult Moments
Hope as Trust and Not Being in Contention with Reality
Advice for Cultivating Openness to Discomfort and Shifting Reactivity
Integrating Study and Practice: Wisdom, Impermanence, and Karma
Engaging with the Climate Crisis Without Shutting Down
Mindfulness of Elements Practice Explained
Connecting Elements Practice to Hope and Interconnection
The Paradoxical Quality of 'Let It Be' vs. 'Let It Go'
Applying Hope and Practice to the Current Pandemic
Intimacy and Imagination as Sources of New Possibilities
7 Key Concepts
Hope as a Skill
Hope is not baseless optimism or naivete, but a powerful skill cultivated by building the capacity to be with one's experience. It involves facing difficulties with ease and skill, and opening to growth in relationships, allowing one's practice to show up when challenges arise.
Spiritual Friendship (Kalyana-mittata)
In Buddhism, spiritual friendship is considered the 'whole of holy life' and is essential for personal awakening. It highlights the importance of cultivating real friendship and intimacy, even with those who are radically different, and using challenges as opportunities to grow closer and build bridges.
Not Being in Contention with Reality
This concept involves not resisting things as they are, but rather staying calm and clear to meet moments with an open heart, grounded in strength and power. It means understanding the causes and conditions that led to the current moment instead of wishing things were different or feeling that they 'shouldn't be like this'.
Composting (Metaphor)
Composting refers to the process of giving oneself time to process, digest, and understand difficult experiences or overwhelming information, such as suffering or historical issues. This allows one to mourn and understand, so that the experience can be met with clarity and kindness rather than being drained by resistance.
Karma
Literally meaning 'action,' karma in this context refers to the concept of causes and conditions. It teaches that current situations, even seemingly hopeless ones like the climate crisis, are the result of countless past actions and conditions, providing a framework for understanding why things are the way they are and how to respond.
Mindfulness of Elements Practice
An ancient Buddhist practice, part of the foundations of mindfulness, that involves becoming aware of the four elements (earth, water, fire, air) within the body and reflecting on their presence externally. This practice helps dissolve perceived barriers between oneself and the natural world, fostering a deep sense of interconnection.
Let It Be (vs. Let It Go)
This meditation instruction encourages opening to experience without aversion or control, acknowledging reality as it is. Unlike 'let it go,' which can imply an effort to dismiss, 'let it be' paradoxically holds the quality of allowing for new possibilities to emerge with trust and patience, without being attached to immediate outcomes.
7 Questions Answered
'Big hope' counters despair about global issues like the climate crisis, while 'local/individual hope' is cultivated in one's personal capacity to meet daily challenges and grow in relationships with more ease and ability.
Cultivating hope involves committing to a practice that builds the capacity to see what's happening clearly, know oneself well, and meet experiences with kindness and care, rather than ricocheting into defensiveness.
Both Vipassana (mindfulness) practice for clear seeing and Metta (love and kindness) practice for cultivating warmth and care are essential. Integrating these with study and wisdom, such as understanding impermanence and karma, helps to understand the nature of reality and respond appropriately.
Start by looking within to understand personal barriers to connecting with nature, cultivate relationships with the natural world (e.g., through mindfulness of elements), and make conscious choices. It's also important to set boundaries on news intake and focus on what one can control and contribute.
'Let it be' encourages opening to reality without contention, fear, or aversion, acknowledging things as they are. Unlike 'let it go,' which can imply control, 'let it be' also paradoxically holds the possibility of allowing for change and new possibilities to emerge with trust and patience.
It involves carefully titrating news intake, developing gratitude for those taking on responsibility (like politicians and policymakers), participating as a citizen (voting, donations, volunteering), and focusing on what one can control, such as one's health, checking in on friends, and contributing through one's work.
Recognizing the porous boundary between oneself and everything else, and seeing oneself as part of a larger system, can create lightness and hope. It frees up energy from being constricted by individual ego, allowing for new possibilities and a sense of connection and trust in something bigger than oneself.
44 Actionable Insights
1. Practice Mindfulness for Capacity
Cultivate hope by building the capacity to be with your experience through mindfulness practice, allowing you to see what is happening clearly and meet it with kindness and care, rather than bringing old patterns.
2. Stay Calm & Clear
To respond open-heartedly and grounded in strength, practice staying calm and clear in challenging moments, rather than defaulting to defensiveness or a ‘defended heart’ energy.
3. Don’t Contend with Reality
Hope is about trust and not being in contention with reality; avoid resisting things as they are, recognizing that challenges are opportunities.
4. Practice ‘Let It Be’
Instead of ’let go’ (which can imply aversion or control), practice ’let it be’ to cultivate trust and patience, opening to reality without contention or closing off.
5. Practice Both Mindfulness & Loving-Kindness
To generate hope and capacity, practice both Vipassana mindfulness (watching breath and noting what comes up) and loving-kindness (deliberately training warmth and care).
6. Integrate Study and Practice
Combine meditation practice with study to cultivate wisdom, which is the fruition of practice and helps in understanding the nature of reality.
7. Commit to Self-Knowledge Practice
Make a commitment to cultivating practice to develop the capacity to see what is happening and to know yourself well, including your defenses, habits, and deep-seated patterns.
8. Thaw Numbing & Defended Heart
Recognize and cultivate the capacity to thaw out numbing or a ‘defended heart’ energy that prevents engagement with difficult issues, whether in relationships or with the natural world.
9. Cultivate Hope in Community
Cultivate hope by engaging in relationships, listening to podcasts, talking with friends, and exploring the work of others, as it is difficult to cultivate hope in isolation.
10. Practice Active Listening & Self-Report
In difficult conversations, reflect back what the other person has said in your own words to demonstrate understanding, and report back your feelings in real time.
11. Prepare for Difficult Conversations
For important and challenging conversations, work with communication coaches or role-play the discussion to clarify what you want to communicate and avoid screwing it up.
12. Dedicate Time for Difficult Conversations
When addressing challenging relationship issues, set a specific date, clear your calendar, and dedicate ample time to settle in and thoroughly explore the conversation.
13. Practice Open-Hearted Listening
In challenging conversations, be able to hear others, open your heart, and articulate your present experience (like a Vipassana out loud) to cultivate intimacy and resolve conflict.
14. Build Bridges Across Differences
Cultivate hope by building bridges and creating a real sense of community, especially with people from radically different backgrounds, to overcome distance in relationships.
15. Understand Impermanence
Cultivate wisdom by understanding that things are impermanent; panic, anxiety, sadness, and loneliness will pass, just as good moments do.
16. Understand Karma (Causes & Conditions)
Develop wise understanding by recognizing karma as the principle of causes and conditions, acknowledging that countless factors lead to the present moment.
17. Understand Nature of Reality
Use your practice to understand the nature of reality on a personal level, seeing clearly and meeting things with care and kindness, then apply this understanding more deeply to everything.
18. Meet Reality with Response
After understanding causes and conditions, meet reality with an appropriate next-step response, rather than contending with or resisting it.
19. Ground, Process, Compost, Mourn
When faced with overwhelming situations, practice grounding, processing, composting, mourning, and understanding to meet challenges with clarity and kindness, rather than being drained by resistance.
20. Discipline News Intake & Boundaries
Practice discipline in what and how you take in news, creating boundaries to stay informed without letting compulsions or incapacity throw you off balance and diminish hope.
21. Titrate News & Slot into Geological Time
Manage overwhelming information by titrating your news intake and slotting your perspective into geological time, recognizing your place in a much larger system.
22. Practice Mindfulness of Elements
Engage in the classical mindfulness of elements practice (earth, water, fire, air) to dissolve barriers and recognize the lack of separation between yourself and everything else, fostering interconnection.
23. Practice Earth Element Mindfulness
In the mindfulness of elements practice, feel earth as the density and solidity of your body (flesh, bone, fat, muscle), and then reflect on the solidity of objects around you, such as the ground or furniture.
24. Practice Water Element Mindfulness
In the mindfulness of elements practice, sense the fluid nature of water in your body (saliva, eye moisture, sweat, water in bones), then reflect on the water element externally, like the planet’s water.
25. Practice Fire Element Mindfulness
In the mindfulness of elements practice, feel temperature and heat in your body, relating this transformational, energetic quality to external fire, heat, and energy like the sun, and the potential for change.
26. Practice Air Element Mindfulness
In the mindfulness of elements practice, be aware of the subtle, ephemeral air element through your breath, recognizing its profound connection to everything as we literally breathe each other’s air throughout time.
27. Cultivate Relationship with Nature
Use the elements practice as a starting point to cultivate moment-to-moment relationships with nature, including animals, plants, and even everyday elements like fire in a stovetop or water in a shower, to dissolve the sense of separation.
28. Read Books About Nature
Read books about nature, like ‘The Overstory’ about trees, to foster a relationship with the natural world, making issues like the climate crisis less abstract and more of a lived experience.
29. Look Inward Before Collective Action
Before engaging in collective or global action, first look inward and address your own relationship to issues, as this personal work is a necessary step.
30. Recognize Porous Boundaries
By seeing the porous boundary between yourself and everything else, you can get out of your head, feel less central, and experience a lightness and hope.
31. Trust Something Bigger
Cultivate hope by trusting in something bigger than your individual ego, recognizing that solutions may not always come from purely rational or logical steps.
32. Imagine Different Possibilities
Free up your energy and cultivate trust to imagine different possibilities, as this can open up new solutions and inventions, rather than feeling doomed.
33. Accept Long-Term Impact
When working towards positive change, accept that the full benefits of your actions might not show up in your lifetime, as suggested by the Dalai Lama.
34. ‘Let It Be’ for Change
Use ’let it be’ to both accept reality without contention and to mystically envision and bring into being a different, better future, balancing acceptance with the drive for change.
35. Notice Emotions, Envision Change
When experiencing difficult emotions like anger or fear, notice them and ’let them be’ without fighting or feeding them, while also envisioning a different world without being overly attached to immediate results.
36. Stay Informed, Avoid Micromanaging
Stay informed about current events, but be careful not to take in every piece of news or micromanage situations over which you have no actual power, avoiding excessive opinions.
37. Cultivate Gratitude for Leaders
Develop a gratitude practice towards politicians and policymakers who have taken on huge responsibilities, especially in challenging moments like a pandemic.
38. Participate & Support Community
Participate as a citizen through voting, donations, and volunteering; control what you can by focusing on your health and the health of those around you, and actively check in on friends and family, especially those isolated.
39. Contribute Without Burning Out
Find ways to contribute that feel manageable and avoid burning out, recognizing that even small actions can help others and be a source of hope.
40. Cultivate Intimacy & Imagination
Foster intimacy with your own experience and the experience of others, as this relationship between intimacy and imagination can open up new possibilities and deepen connections in small, mysterious ways.
41. Check Previous Episode
If you missed part one of the hope series with George Mumford, go check it out to understand hope as a skill.
42. Read ‘You Belong’
Read Sebene Selassie’s book ‘You Belong’ as it is an amazing book.
43. Consider Therapy or Trauma Work
If deep-seated patterns are stuck, consider therapy, trauma work, or somatic work to shift reactivity, activation, or triggers.
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7 Key Quotes
Hope, when properly understood and practiced, is not baseless optimism or naivete. It is actually a powerful skill.
Dan Harris
Hopeful that when the rubber hits the road, your practice can show up and you can handle whatever life throws at you with some ease and skill.
Sebene Selassie
Spiritual friendship is how we get through this. Like that is actually how we're going to wake up.
Sebene Selassie
I don't need to think it's like a mistake somehow or like, you know, there's a certain energy we bring to it. Like it shouldn't be like this. Well, it is like this. And that's where we find ourselves in this moment. How do we meet it?
Sebene Selassie
There are no individuals in a forest.
Richard Powers (quoted by Dan Harris)
We are literally breathing each other's air, not just contemporaneously, like throughout time, because we pretty much have the same oxygen molecules circulating around the planet throughout history. So we're breathing the same air as the Buddha.
Sebene Selassie
You kind of maybe think that the benefits might not show up in your lifetime.
Dalai Lama (quoted by Dan Harris)
1 Protocols
Mindfulness of Elements Practice
Sebene Selassie- **Earth:** Feel the density and solidity of the body (flesh, bone, fat, muscle). Reflect on solidity in surroundings (earth underneath, chair, desk, computer).
- **Water:** Sense the water in the body (saliva, moistness behind eyes, sweat, fluid nature). Reflect on the planet being mostly water.
- **Fire:** Feel temperature in the body (heat) and the transformational, energetic quality of fire. Relate this to the sun, heat, and energy all around, considering it as potential for change.
- **Air:** Meditate with the breath, sensing the ephemeral, subtle experience of air. Recognize it as a profound connection to everything, as we literally breathe the same oxygen molecules throughout time.