Dr. Bianca Harris

Dec 20, 2017 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dan Harris interviews his wife, Dr. Bianca Harris, about her decade-long resistance to meditation and the multifactorial reasons behind it. She shares how she finally started a practice by integrating it into existing routines, leveraging advice from meditation teacher Jeff Warren, and realizing its benefits after a health crisis.

At a Glance
13 Insights
1h 2m Duration
14 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to the Book and Bianca's Role

Bianca's Initial Resistance to Meditation

Impact of Medical Training and Personal Baggage on Self-Care

The Self-Indulgence Perception of Self-Care

Dan's Annoying Attempts to Encourage Meditation

Life Circumstances and Infertility Challenges

Career Difficulties and Postpartum Stress

Breast Cancer Diagnosis and Recovery

Jeff Warren's Intervention and the 'Taking Back Lazy' Concept

Bianca's Meditation Practice in the Toddler Bed

The Benefits of Meditation: Creating Space Before Reaction

The Role of Benefits and Failure in Habit Formation

Dan's Extensive Meditation Practice and Its Impact on Family Life

Bianca's Current Self-Care Habits and Happiness

Habit Formation

The process of establishing new behaviors is complex and messy. It is not driven by sheer willpower, which is a finite resource, but rather by the benefits derived from the habit, which pull a person forward. Experimentation and falling off the wagon are natural and necessary parts of forming habits.

Compassion Burnout

When individuals in professions of caring for others, such as doctors, prioritize the well-being of their patients to such an extent that they neglect their own self-care. This can lead to a personal sense of being 'zapped of life force' and a resistance to self-nurturing activities.

Space Between Stimulus and Response

Meditation helps create a crucial gap between experiencing a thought or emotion (stimulus) and reacting to it (response). This space allows for conscious choice and prevents automatic, potentially unhelpful, reactions like anger or frustration.

Body Scan Meditation

A type of meditation practice where one systematically focuses attention on different parts of the body. This technique can be very relaxing and helps to bring awareness to physical sensations.

Contemplative Care

A practice or training focused on providing compassionate care, often in settings like hospice. It involves incorporating meditative practices and mindfulness to enhance presence and empathy in caregiving.

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Why did Bianca Harris resist meditation for so long?

Bianca resisted meditation due to legitimate busyness during her demanding medical training, a deeply ingrained belief that self-care was self-indulgent, perfectionist tendencies that made her unwilling to start if she couldn't do it perfectly, and a general difficulty with self-discipline in the realm of self-care.

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What significant life events contributed to Bianca's stress and eventual shift towards self-care?

Bianca experienced intense medical training (internship, residency, fellowship), a brain tumor at age eight, parental separation, a difficult tenure-track academic path, infertility struggles, a miscarriage, the birth of their son, and a breast cancer diagnosis requiring multiple surgeries.

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How did meditation teacher Jeff Warren help Bianca overcome her resistance?

Jeff Warren reframed meditation from an obligation to something Bianca could incorporate into her existing routine, specifically by giving her 'permission to be lazy' and enjoy mindless activities while bringing attention to physical relaxation, rather than striving for a formal practice.

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What specific meditation practice did Bianca adopt and how did it help her?

Bianca started meditating while curled up in her son's toddler bed as he fell asleep, a time she previously felt was 'lost' and led to resentment. She used Jeff Warren's guidance to breathe deeply and gently return her attention to her breath when distracted, which helped her feel calmer and more connected to her son.

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What are the key benefits Bianca experienced from her meditation practice?

Bianca found that meditation created a crucial 'space' between stimulus and response, allowing her to observe emotions like anger or frustration before acting on them. This helped her feel calmer, more present, and better able to navigate challenging situations and her day-to-day perceptions.

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How does Dan Harris's extensive meditation practice impact his relationship with Bianca?

Bianca found Dan's long meditation practice (two hours a day) annoying and inconvenient at times, especially when he initially didn't communicate his intentions or chose inconvenient times, leading to a feeling of competition for shared time and space.

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What is the role of 'failure' in forming habits like meditation?

Falling off the wagon and experimenting are crucial for habit formation because they allow individuals to viscerally experience the benefits of the practice when they return to it, thereby incentivizing continued engagement rather than relying on willpower.

1. Cultivate Space Between Stimulus

Practice meditation to create a crucial space between a stimulus (e.g., anger, frustration) and your response, allowing you to observe emotions before acting on them and thus respond more thoughtfully.

2. Integrate Meditation into ‘Lost’ Time

Instead of finding new time, incorporate meditation into periods you perceive as ’lost’ or unavoidable, such as while putting a child to sleep. This can make the practice feel less overwhelming and more sustainable.

3. Practice ‘Taking Back Lazy’ Meditation

To ease into meditation, sprawl out on the floor with low-volume TV in the background, focusing attention on physical feelings of relaxation. When distracted, gently return your focus, giving yourself permission to enjoy laziness.

4. Learn from Falling Off Habits

View falling off a habit (like meditation) as a useful learning opportunity. It allows you to viscerally recognize the benefits the practice provided, thereby incentivizing you to get back on track.

5. Form Habits with Benefits, Not Willpower

Understand that willpower is a finite resource and ineffective for habit formation. Instead, focus on the tangible benefits derived from a practice, as these positive outcomes will naturally pull you forward and sustain the habit.

6. Embrace Failure in Habit Formation

Accept that forming habits involves a process of experimentation, falling off the wagon, and repeatedly getting back on. This iterative process of ‘failure’ is a natural and necessary part of habit development.

7. Reframe Self-Care as Incorporation

Shift your perspective on self-care practices (like meditation) from being an obligation to something that can be easily incorporated into your existing routine, giving yourself permission to ‘fudge it’ and not aim for perfection.

8. Drop Pressure for Formal Practice

If you are already effectively incorporating meditation into unavoidable daily moments, release the self-imposed pressure to transition to a more formal or structured practice. Your current method is valid and beneficial.

9. Engage in Exercise for Mental Space

Adopt physical activities like solo cycling not just for physical health, but also as a means to create mental space, process thoughts and feelings, and experience a sense of well-being, similar to meditation.

10. Motivate Self-Care for Family Well-being

Frame your personal exercise and self-care routines as a way to be healthier and more present for your children and partner, using this external motivation to sustain your commitment.

11. Manage Your Inner Critic

Recognize that a critical inner voice or ‘running self-reproach’ is a common human experience. Cultivate awareness of this voice and learn to manage it, rather than letting it dictate your actions or self-perception.

12. Communicate Personal Practice Needs

Openly discuss and schedule your personal self-care practices (like meditation) with your partner. Clear communication and mutual understanding can prevent conflict and integrate individual habits into shared life.

13. Avoid Lecturing Others on Meditation

Refrain from lecturing or nagging others about meditation, as this approach can be annoying and counterproductive, potentially creating resistance rather than encouraging adoption of the practice.

The process of habit formation and human behavior change is really complex and really messy. And even if you make a good case to do something, it doesn't mean people are going to actually do it.

Dan Harris

When you're in the profession of caring about other people, compassion, burnout really can apply to yourself first.

Bianca Harris

If I can't do it to the extent that maybe, maybe I'm just talking about it now. Maybe I thought it would be disappointing to you if I didn't get to where you were. I just wasn't going to put myself in that, in that playing field at all.

Bianca Harris

The space between stimulus and response is like, that's the, that is the fruit. That's the money. That's why we meditate.

Dan Harris

I crawl out of bed so quietly in the morning. And I just like shuffle one foot over to my cushion and they sense it and they're there.

Carla

I think the act of incorporating a habit into time that's already going to be lost anyway, in a sense... became felt less overwhelming to the point that, um, I really enjoyed it and I felt changes in my sort of day to day, um, perception of myself and events.

Bianca Harris

Taking Back Lazy Meditation

Jeff Warren
  1. Sprawl out on the floor or couch.
  2. Have the TV on in the background at a low volume.
  3. Enjoy the luxury of laziness and being sprawled out.
  4. Bring your attention to the physical feelings of relaxation.
  5. When distracted, gently return your attention to the physical sensations of relaxation, and start again.
24 hours straight
Maximum consecutive hours worked during Bianca's intern year This was the limit after a change in regulations, but she often exceeded it. Older models allowed 48-72 hours.
16 hours
Maximum consecutive hours allowed for interns after a later change This change also required interns to nap.
10 years
Duration of Dan and Bianca's relationship The bulk of this period coincided with Bianca's medical training.
9 years
Duration Dan has been meditating He started meditating before Bianca did.
6 or 7 surgeries
Number of surgeries Bianca had for breast cancer Over a six-month period, culminating in a double mastectomy.
Between 6 months and 1 year
Time period for Bianca's career development award submission After her son Alexander was born, under intense pressure.
12 days
Duration of Dan and Jeff Warren's cross-country road trip To meet wannabe meditators for the book.
2 hours
Duration of Dan's daily meditation practice Broken into different chunks throughout the day.