Enough-ness and the Hungry Ghost, Narayan Liebenson

Jun 26, 2019 Episode Page ↗
Overview

This episode features Buddhist teacher Narayan Liebenson, author of "The Magnanimous Heart," discussing the "hungry ghost" concept and its antidote, "enoughness." She explores using all of life as meditation, the difference between "letting be" and "letting go," and how to apply meditative principles to problem-solving.

At a Glance
36 Insights
1h 31m Duration
19 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Hungry Ghosts and Enoughness

Narayan's Early Life and Introduction to Mind Exploration

The Value of Boredom in Cultivating Inner Silence

Understanding "Heart-Mind" and Natural Luminosity

Buddha's Invitation to "Come See for Yourself"

Narayan's Path: From Childhood Fears to Yogic Practice

Dukkha as a "Constant Squeeze" and Embracing Suffering

Distinguishing "Letting Be" from "Letting Go"

Co-founding Cambridge Insight Meditation Center (CIMC)

The Concept of Inner Freedom and Awareness of Thinking

Exploring the Idea of Intrinsic Loving Nature

The Role of Feminine Voices in Dharma

Dogen's Teaching on the Magnanimous Heart

Cultivating Magnanimous Heart Through Practice and Principles

Sustaining Practice Through Life's Challenges and Grief

The Practice of "Not Doing Anything" in Meditation

Ajahn Mahabua's Concept of "Enoughness"

Addressing Dream-like States in Meditation

Meditative Approach to Problem Solving

Hungry Ghost

A Buddhist concept describing a creature with a giant stomach and a tiny throat, constantly hungry and never satisfied. It symbolizes the human condition of insatiability and a background hum of constant insufficiency, often looking for satiation in the wrong places.

Enoughness

A concept defined by Ajahn Mahabua as the sense that there is nothing lacking, an inner satiation. It is the antidote to the hungry ghost condition, allowing one to enjoy life and share without feeling poverty or scarcity.

Chitta (Heart-Mind)

A Pali word that combines the Western concepts of heart and mind, encompassing both thinking and feelings, but also pointing to a limitless, measureless awareness beyond mere cognition. It refers to the natural luminescence or radiance of the heart, which is already free but covered by habits.

Constant Squeeze (Dukkha)

Ajahn Mahabua's definition of the first noble truth, dukkha (suffering or unsatisfactoriness). It describes a feeling that things are not quite right, an uneasiness or discomfort that is always present, even when things are good, because everything is temporary.

Letting Be

A more accurate description of the meditative process often referred to as 'letting go.' Instead of actively pushing away what one dislikes, it involves befriending, embracing, and extending friendship to difficult experiences, allowing them to release their grip on their own.

Magnanimous Heart

Based on Dogen's teaching, it is a heart that is stable, impartial, tolerant, and views everything from the broadest perspective. It is porous, allowing all experiences to come in and leave without resistance, preventing accumulation and fostering immense perspective and learning.

Meditative Questioning

An approach to problem-solving where one asks questions that are bigger than the immediate problem, allowing for a shift in perspective. It helps to hold problems without conditioned thinking, leading to resolutions where issues dissolve or one's relationship to them profoundly changes.

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How can boredom be beneficial for mental well-being?

Boredom is very close to a depth of silence that can be accessed if one allows themselves to be bored. Staying in that space, even if it feels "deathly," can lead to profound, beautiful, and freeing experiences.

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What is the Buddhist understanding of the "heart" in terms of meditation?

In Buddhist teachings, the Pali word "chitta" refers to "heart-mind," encompassing feelings and a limitless awareness beyond mere thinking. It signifies the natural luminosity or radiance that is inherently free but often covered by habits and patterns.

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How does meditation help us deal with suffering, or the "constant squeeze" of life?

Meditation helps by cushioning the "squeeze" with calm, making suffering more visible and allowing it to reveal itself. This visibility is crucial because one can only let go of suffering if they first see what needs to be released.

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What is the difference between "letting go" and "letting be" in meditation?

Letting go" often implies agency and pushing away unwanted experiences, which is not truly possible. "Letting be" is a more accurate description, involving friendliness, embracing, and extending friendship to experiences so that they let go of us on their own.

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Is there evidence that our fundamental nature is loving, or is it a leap of faith?

While it may seem like a leap of faith, many practitioners have intuitive glimpses of an intrinsic loving nature when quiet. Meditation methods can train us to access this inner peace and goodness, leading to personal experiences that build confidence in this understanding.

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Why have male voices historically dominated the Dharma world, and is this changing?

Buddhism, like other religions, has historically been patriarchal, leading to male dominance in Dharma discourse. However, this is rapidly changing, with a growing number of female teachers and a greater emphasis on feminine voices and perspectives in the modern Dharma world.

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How can one cultivate a "magnanimous heart" amidst life's challenges?

Cultivating a magnanimous heart involves employing the Buddha's methods and techniques, studying the principles of practice (ethics, steadying the mind, wisdom, compassion), and using all life experiences as practice material. This integrated approach allows for a vast perspective and inner splendor, even in difficult situations.

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What should one do when experiencing dream-like states or falling asleep during meditation?

These states often indicate a greater degree of relaxation and increased awareness of inner experiences. Instead of rejecting them, one should simply be aware of the feeling tone of being drawn into them, letting go of control, and trusting that even sleepiness can lead to deeper levels of wakefulness with gentle attentiveness.

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How can meditation improve problem-solving in daily life?

Meditation helps by freeing us from being used by habitual thoughts, allowing us to use our thoughts wisely. By cultivating a clearer, less enchanted mind, we can approach problems with "meditative questioning" and hold them differently, often leading to their resolution or dissolution.

1. Use Your Whole Life as Meditation

Integrate meditation into all aspects of your daily existence, rather than confining it solely to formal sitting sessions, to deepen your practice and understanding.

2. Let Be, Don’t Let Go

Approach difficult experiences with friendliness, embracing them as they are, rather than trying to forcefully ’let go’ of them. This allows what is gripping you to release itself naturally.

3. Embrace the ‘Constant Squeeze’

When you feel the ‘constant squeeze’ of unsatisfactoriness or pain in life, brave enough to embrace it gently with loving kindness and compassion. This allows the discomfort to reveal itself and uncoil, rather than tightening further.

4. Cultivate Boredom for Depth

Allow yourself to experience boredom fully, without immediate distraction. Staying with this space can lead to profound, freeing, and beautiful insights by dissolving the ‘veiling’ over the heart’s natural luminosity.

5. Be Aware of Habits and Patterns

Through meditation, become aware of your unhelpful habits and patterns. This awareness allows the ‘mist’ of these patterns to dissolve into the light of consciousness, revealing the heart’s natural freedom.

6. Investigate What’s Most Important

Use moments of preliminary contentment, achieved through calming the mind, as a springboard for deep investigation into what truly matters to you and why you are here.

7. Come See For Yourself

Don’t blindly believe teachings; instead, take up the methods, practice, and study, using your own life experiences as material for awakening to see for yourself how things actually are.

8. Live Your Understanding

Beyond mere intellectual comprehension, strive to embody and live your understanding of the Dharma from moment to moment in all circumstances, ensuring your path is not fragmented.

9. Cultivate a Magnanimous Heart

Develop a heart that is porous and open, allowing all experiences to enter and leave without resistance. This involves befriending whatever arises and viewing yourself and the world with vast perspective, learning from everything.

10. Employ Methods and Study Principles

Engage with both the practical methods and techniques of Buddhist practice and the study of its core principles, such as ethics, steadying the mind, wisdom, and compassion, to gain a wide and vast perspective.

11. Practice Through Grief and Challenge

During immense challenges like grief, rely on your established practice and trust in its ability to support you. Sustained practice through difficulty can lead to deeper emergence and even greater trustworthiness.

12. Use Sitting Practice as Refuge

When facing difficulties, find refuge in sitting practice by simply adopting the posture, being quiet, and allowing everything to be there without trying to change or fix anything, trusting that it will resolve itself.

13. Don’t Get Involved with Thoughts

During sitting meditation, allow your mind to do whatever it wants, but consciously choose not to get involved or carried away by the thoughts, simply observing them as thinking.

14. Sustain Practice Over Time

Commit to a sustained meditation practice that becomes integrated into your life, rather than an occasional activity. This consistency is crucial for meaningfully greeting life’s joys and sorrows.

15. Nourish Moments of Enoughness

Appreciate and be grateful for moments when you experience a sense of ’enoughness,’ without clinging to them. This practice of appreciation will naturally lead to more such moments in your life.

16. Don’t Reject Relaxation in Meditation

If you find yourself slipping into dream-like states or deep relaxation during meditation, do not reject it. Instead, be aware of the feeling tone of wanting to be drawn into it, recognizing it as a sign of deeper letting be.

17. Trust Sleepiness in Meditation

When experiencing sleepiness or lethargy during meditation, trust the process and apply a gentle attentiveness to it. This can sometimes lead to a deeper level of wakefulness.

18. Let Go of Counting Practice Time

For experienced practitioners, move beyond rigidly counting meditation minutes or evaluating progress. This allows for a more fruitful practice by opening the door beyond assessment, agendas, hopes, and fears.

19. Shift Neurosis to Object of Meditation

Instead of being driven by neurotic patterns like constant evaluation or self-doubt, recognize them as neurosis and make them an object of meditation. This shifts perspective and allows for deeper insight.

20. Use Thoughts Wisely for Problem Solving

In daily life, recognize that thinking is necessary for problem-solving. The goal is not to abandon thought, but to use your thoughts wisely, rather than being habitually used by them.

21. Meditatively Question Problems

When facing problems, ask meditative questions that are ‘bigger than the problem’ itself, such as ‘How can I hold this differently?’ This approach can lead to problems dissolving or resolving themselves through a shift in perspective.

22. Cultivate Calm Before Problem Solving

Before engaging in problem-solving, assess what is truly needed. Sometimes, cultivating more calm and spaciousness is necessary first to allow for more fruitful and creative thinking about the problem.

23. Listen and Respond Mindfully in Meetings

Apply meditative principles in group settings like meetings by fostering relaxation and a greater capacity to listen and respond. This reduces being caught up in specific outcomes and opens the door for creative solutions.

24. Seek Experiences Challenging Biases

Actively seek out teachers, experiences, or situations that challenge your less helpful biases. This can be a useful way to transcend ingrained perspectives.

25. Calm Your Mind and Thin Out Thoughts

Practice calming your mind to allow thoughts to thin out. This creates a sense of space and preliminary contentment, which can be a foundation for deeper inquiry.

26. Use Your Name as a Mantra

As a specific technique, repeat your name over and over again as a mantra. This can lead to a sense of non-identification and open up into something beyond the self.

27. Investigate Your Fears

If you experience strong fears, investigate them deeply to understand them. This process can be a propelling force towards freedom from those fears.

28. Pause, Recognize, and Be in the Body

Cultivate the ability to pause and recognize what is happening in your body and how your mind is operating. This helps you avoid being yanked around by ego, emotions, or reactions.

29. Be Fascinated with the Process of Thinking

Shift your fascination from the content of individual thoughts to the underlying process or ‘infrastructure’ of thinking itself. This can lead to a deeper understanding of the mind.

30. Cultivate Affection and Well-being

Become fascinated with the natural bubbling up of affection, well-being, happiness for others, and the desire to alleviate suffering. This is a cultivation of your true, loving nature.

31. Develop Confidence Through Experience

Engage with practice to gain your own experiences, rather than relying on what others tell you. This personal verification builds complete confidence in the path.

32. Be Honest and Authentic in Practice

As you deepen your practice, strive for honesty and authenticity in your approach, offering your true self and life experiences as part of your meditative journey.

33. View Yourself as Nature

Cultivate a mindset of sensing yourself as an integral part of nature, rather than separate from it. This fosters a broader perspective and interconnectedness.

34. Learn from All Experiences

Adopt the view that ’everything is my practice,’ meaning every experience that happens can be understood, learned from, and integrated, rather than categorizing some as outside of practice.

35. Don’t Limit Your Practice

While a short daily practice is beneficial, remain open to the vastness of the Dharma world and do not limit your potential for deeper engagement and exploration beyond your current comfort zone.

36. Be Patient with Sleepiness

If you experience sleepiness during meditation, maintain a small degree of attentiveness to it without trying to push it away. This patience can sometimes lead to a deeper state of wakefulness.

When you're bored, it's very, very close to a depth of silence that can be accessed if you allow yourself to be bored.

Narayan Liebenson

The Buddha spoke about the heart being free already. The heart already is awakened. That there is freedom from greed, hatred, and delusion. But it's covered over by our habits and our patterns.

Narayan Liebenson

Don't believe me. But take up the methods, take up the practice, take up the study, use your life, bring it all together, sit, you know, meditate in a classical way of using that word. Bring it all together and see what happens.

Narayan Liebenson

Anger, hatred, applied to hatred doesn't bring about anything more than hatred. I mean, it's practical. Only loving kindness is going to help.

Narayan Liebenson

If you don't understand while you're here, and she means in a concentration camp, that all outer experiences are like a passing show, as nothing beside the great splendor inside us, then things can look very bleak here indeed.

Eddie Hillison (quoted by Narayan Liebenson)

The impoverishment is inner rather than outer. What a hungry ghost needs is nourishment for the heart rather than food for the body.

Narayan Liebenson (from her book)

Whatever we practice, the fruit of that practice is going to be more of what we're practicing.

Narayan Liebenson

Cultivating Magnanimous Heart

Narayan Liebenson
  1. Employ the Buddha's methods and techniques.
  2. Study the principles of the practice, including ethics, steadying the mind, and the essential nature of wisdom and compassion (e.g., Noble Eightfold Path).
  3. Live your life, using all experiences as practice itself.

Meditative Sitting Practice (during grief or challenge)

Narayan Liebenson
  1. Get into the posture and be quiet.
  2. Stay completely still and quiet within yourself.
  3. Let the mind do whatever it wants to do, but do not get involved or try to change/fix anything.
  4. Allow everything that is already there to simply be there.
45 years
Narayan Liebenson's meditation training duration Across various traditions.
1985
Cambridge Insight Meditation Center founding year Co-founded by Narayan Liebenson and Larry Rosenberg.
86 years old
Larry Rosenberg's current age Still teaching a bit.
200 to 300 years
Time between Buddha's death and his words being written down According to the transcript.
29 years old
Age of Eddie Hillison at death Died in Auschwitz.
5 or 6 years ago
Time since Narayan's father's death and divorce As of the recording of the podcast.
9 to 7
Typical duration of a CIMC non-residential retreat day Approximately 10 hours of sitting, with participants returning home at night.