Ezra Klein, How We Interact with Politics Matters

Apr 18, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Journalist and Vox editor-at-large Ezra Klein discusses how meditation offers clarity over calm, the importance of questioning the systems that shape our behavior, and actionable strategies for navigating political tribalism and addictive technology.

At a Glance
30 Insights
1h 24m Duration
14 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Addressing Plateaus and Regressions in Meditation Practice

Meditation for Athletic Performance and 'Getting in the Zone'

Ezra Klein's Self-Perception Across Different Media Platforms

The Challenge of Uncertainty in Modern Political Journalism

The Genesis and Mission of Vox as an Expository News Organization

Ezra Klein's Experience Launching and Leading Vox

Meditation's Impact on Ezra Klein: Clarity Over Calm

The Role of External Cues and Systems in Shaping Personal Experience

Robert Wright's View: The Brain's Evolutionary Purpose and Human Wanting

Applying Buddhist Wisdom to Systemic Issues and Reform

Critique of Addictive Design in Social Media Platforms

Individual Agency vs. Systemic Change in Tech Addiction

The Structural Causes and Escalation of Political Tribalism

Strategies for Individuals to Mitigate Tribalism and Engage Constructively

Practice Assessment Tapes

This refers to the mental habit of constantly evaluating and re-evaluating one's meditation practice, often leading to unnecessary self-criticism or getting 'tied up in knots.' Joseph Goldstein describes it as largely a waste of time.

Zone Ready

In the context of athletic performance, meditation does not magically put an athlete 'in the zone,' but it prepares them to be 'zone ready.' This means it puts them in the optimal mental state where they are most likely to naturally enter the zone.

Expository News Organization

Unlike traditional news organizations focused on breaking news, an expository news organization (like Vox) prioritizes providing context and background information. Its goal is to help audiences understand the broader story and how new events fit into it, rather than just reporting what happened today.

Clarity vs. Calm in Meditation

While many seek calm from meditation, the primary benefit, especially in secular mindfulness, is often increased clarity about one's internal experiences. This clarity, by allowing one to see thoughts and emotions without being owned by them, can lead to a deeper, more sustainable sense of calm.

Brain's Evolutionary Purpose

According to Robert Wright's 'Why Buddhism is True,' the human brain did not evolve to make us happy, but rather to make us want things. Its primary purpose was to ensure survival and reproduction, driving a continuous cycle of wanting that can be amplified by modern systems like capitalism.

Kleinian Structuralist

Ezra Klein describes himself as a structuralist, meaning he believes that much of human behavior, feelings, and identity are elicited and reinforced by the systems and structures in which individuals are embedded. He sees less emphasis on individual agency and more on the influence of external contexts.

Variable Rewards

This is a psychological mechanism where unpredictable rewards make a behavior more addictive. Social media platforms, like slot machines, use this by algorithmically showing 'best performing' content or 'things you might have missed,' playing on status anxiety and encouraging continuous engagement.

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Is it common to experience a plateau or regression in meditation benefits after initial gains?

Yes, meditation practice typically doesn't follow a straight, uninterrupted line toward progress; it involves peaks, valleys, regressions, and plateaus, influenced by many exogenous factors in one's life.

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Can meditation help athletes 'get in the zone' for better performance?

Meditation cannot magically put an athlete in the zone, but it can make them 'zone ready,' putting them in a state where they are most likely to enter the zone, according to meditation teacher George Mumford.

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How does Ezra Klein perceive his public persona on different media platforms?

He feels that on Twitter and TV, he often comes across as more definitive and strident than he is, due to the flattening effect of those spaces, while on his podcast, he can express more hesitation and interests beyond politics, reflecting a 'better' version of himself.

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What is the core mission of Vox?

Vox is an expository news organization dedicated to providing broader context for news stories, helping people understand the 'whole of the story' rather than just what happened today, by building products and formats focused on context.

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Does meditation primarily lead to calm or clarity?

While many seek calm, meditation often first brings clarity about one's internal state, which can then lead to a deeper, more enduring calm by reducing the power of neurotic impulses and allowing one to see the 'man behind the curtain' of their thoughts.

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Why are humans naturally prone to wanting and craving, according to evolutionary psychology and Buddhism?

The human brain evolved not for happiness, but for survival and reproduction, which is driven by a constant desire for more. This inherent human tendency means that systems like capitalism often work because they align with these 'greased grooves of humanity.'

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How do social media algorithms exploit human psychology?

Platforms like Twitter and Facebook use algorithms that provide variable rewards and play on anxieties (like status anxiety or social obligation) to make products addictive and encourage continuous engagement, often without users' conscious awareness.

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What is the main driver of political tribalism in modern society?

Political tribalism is driven by identities increasingly stacking on top of each other (e.g., Democrat and liberal, Republican and conservative), leading to less overlap between groups and more distinct ideological, cultural, and demographic differences between parties.

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What can individuals do to combat political tribalism?

Individuals can increase self-awareness through mindfulness to recognize biases, broaden their media diet to include diverse, rational viewpoints, and shift focus from national politics to local politics where they can have a more direct and constructive impact.

1. Re-architect Life for Happiness

Reflect on how your life’s current structure interacts with your anxieties, needs, and hopes; if it’s not serving you well, make conscious changes to better align your life with your well-being.

2. Consciously Build Life Structures

Actively examine and design the structures of your life, considering which aspects of yourself they reinforce and which they diminish, to ensure you are cultivating the desired parts of your identity.

3. Prioritize Joy Over Status

Be aware of the ‘status trap’ in careers where continuous upward movement can lead you away from tasks you genuinely love; prioritize roles that bring joy and align with your authentic self, even if it means a perceived loss of status.

4. Change Context for Desired Self

Use self-awareness gained from practices like meditation to identify cues that reinforce an undesirable ego or feelings, then actively change the context of your life to reinforce the parts of yourself you want to cultivate.

5. Embrace Uncertainty in Communication

When communicating, especially in commentary or opinion pieces, strive to create formats that allow for expressing uncertainty and presenting multiple possibilities rather than definitive answers, particularly in complex situations.

6. Limit Algorithmic Social Media

Be aware that social media algorithms (like Twitter’s ‘best performing tweets’) can trigger status anxiety and a sense of inadequacy; reduce exposure to these feeds to mitigate their negative impact.

7. Critically Assess Tech’s Impact

Recognize that your interactions with social media platforms are not purely your own preference but are influenced by their design; step back and rationally evaluate whether these platforms genuinely serve your well-being.

8. Engage in Local Politics

Shift your focus and energy from national politics to local politics by getting involved, volunteering, or even running for office, as this offers a greater opportunity for impact, is often more life-affirming, and addresses real community needs.

9. Focus on Local Impact

If national politics feels overwhelming and unchangeable, redirect your energy to local issues where you can have a tangible, positive impact, which can be more life-affirming and effective than focusing solely on national problems.

10. Broaden Media Diet

Actively seek out and consume media from diverse viewpoints, even those you disagree with, to deliberately challenge your existing biases and foster a more balanced perspective as a journalist and citizen.

11. Select Opposing Views Carefully

When broadening your media diet, choose sources or individuals with opposing views who also align with you in other ways (e.g., temperament, civility) to ensure you can genuinely listen with an open mind rather than just reinforcing your own correctness.

12. Be Mindful of Defensive Reading

When consuming media that challenges your biases, be aware of the tendency to read defensively, with ‘hackles up’ and an internal ’lawyer’ ready to dismiss arguments, as this can hinder open-mindedness.

13. Use Mindfulness to Detect Bias

Cultivate self-awareness through mindfulness to observe your biases, such as the subtle pleasure you might get when negative events befall opposing politicians, using this as a signal to examine your reactions.

14. Prioritize Books Over Daily News

Shift your consumption from excessive daily news, especially about fleeting political events, to reading more books and content that is related to politics but not explicitly political, to gain deeper understanding and avoid over-indexing on ephemeral issues.

15. Understand Addictive Tech Design

Recognize that many technology products are intentionally designed to be addictive, often using variable rewards to exploit human psychology; understanding this design can help you approach these platforms with greater awareness.

16. Be Aware of Social Obligation Triggers

Be conscious of how features like ‘read receipts’ in messaging apps are designed to create social pressure and obligation, compelling you to engage more with the product to avoid feeling bad about not responding immediately.

17. Be Wary of Virtual Reality

Exercise caution and critical thinking regarding the future of virtual reality, as its potential to be highly addictive and more pleasurable than real life could lead to societal issues and a ‘Ready Player One dystopia.’

18. Avoid Practice Assessment Tapes

When you find yourself getting too wrapped up in assessing your meditation practice (e.g., how well you’re concentrating), tell yourself ‘who cares?’ to avoid unnecessary mental knots and wasted time.

19. Increase Meditation Dosage

If you’ve hit a plateau in your meditation practice, consider increasing your daily seated meditation time or experimenting with ‘free-range meditation’ by turning daily activities (like washing dishes or walking) into mindfulness exercises to integrate the practice into your life.

20. Join a Meditation Community

Consider joining a local meditation group to normalize your practice, connect with others facing similar challenges (like plateaus), and find inspiration to deepen your engagement and apply mindfulness more broadly in your life.

21. Seek a Meditation Teacher

Establish a relationship with an experienced meditation teacher to gain invaluable guidance, help navigate common practice challenges, and receive advice from someone who has encountered similar ‘cul-de-sacs’ many times before.

22. Become ‘Zone Ready’

Use meditation not to magically enter ’the zone’ during athletic performance, but to become ‘zone ready,’ increasing the likelihood of naturally entering that state.

23. Calm Nerves with Breath Focus

Before an athletic event, find a quiet place and focus on the sensation of your breath entering and exiting your nose to calm your nerves.

24. Stay Present with Sensations

During an athletic activity, bring your attention to physical sensations like your hands on the equipment, feet on the ground, or environmental factors (wind, sun) to get out of your head, refocus on the present moment, and avoid distracting thoughts.

25. Learn from Sports Psychology Experts

For athletes seeking to integrate meditation into their performance, explore resources from experts like George Mumford (meditation teacher for NBA teams) and Michael Gervais (works with Seattle Seahawks) who specialize in this area.

26. Be Mindful of Media’s Flattening

Recognize that platforms like Twitter and cable news can flatten your personality, making you appear more definitive or strident than you are, and be mindful of how you portray yourself in these spaces.

27. Use Bulleted Lists for Thoughts

Experiment with bulleted lists of thoughts when discussing complex events, allowing for multiple, sometimes contradictory, ideas to be presented without forcing a single thesis, which can better reflect uncertainty.

28. Hide Social Media Metrics

Install browser extensions that hide social media metrics (followers, likes, retweets) to reduce the ‘crazy-making’ competitive aspect of platforms and focus solely on content.

29. Practice Mindful Phone Use

While using your phone, periodically bring your attention to the physical sensation of holding the device to briefly disengage from the content and the mental ‘story’ you’re in, fostering a more mindful interaction.

30. Influence Tech with Ethical Choices

If you are a talented individual in the tech industry, consider working for companies that prioritize ethical design and positive societal impact, as this collective action can pressure other companies to change their practices.

I think that in a lot of the commentary I do in how I and others end up portraying myself on Twitter and on TV, I do a fair amount of cable news. I think those are spaces where I end up coming off more definitive and in some cases strident than I am even as I'm trying to – I think those spaces have a flattening effect on a personality.

Ezra Klein

I've never – I ended up finding meditation to be more interesting than helpful, if that makes sense.

Ezra Klein

But my experience, the calm comes through the clarity so that to – a lot of people get into meditation because they want to be calm... But in my understanding of Buddhist-based or mindfulness – secular mindfulness meditation, the goal isn't to feel any specific way. The goal is to feel whatever you're feeling clearly so that it doesn't own you.

Dan Harris

The brain did not evolve to make us happy. The brain evolved to make us want things. The brain evolved to make sure that we are going to survive and we're going to reproduce.

Ezra Klein

I am not a huge believer in individual agency. And I'm somebody who tends to see a lot more than what we want to admit is being elicited by the systems in which we place ourselves.

Ezra Klein

The way I can see that might be meditation. That's my point. But the way I can fix it is to change the structures in which I operate.

Ezra Klein

I think that most of us, the overwhelming majority of us think way too much about national politics and not nearly enough about local politics.

Ezra Klein

Shaking Up Stagnant Meditation Practice

Dan Harris
  1. Increase formal seated meditation dosage, if feasible.
  2. Experiment with 'free-range meditation' by turning daily activities (e.g., washing dishes, walking, driving, using a phone) into mindfulness exercises.
  3. Consider joining a meditation community or group to normalize the practice and gain inspiration from others.
  4. If possible, strike up a relationship with an experienced meditation teacher for personalized guidance and help navigating challenges.

Calming Nerves Before Athletic Performance

Dan Harris
  1. Find a quiet place or use headphones to focus on the breath, particularly as it enters and exits the nose, as a calming technique.
  2. Consider experimenting with visualization techniques, which are used by many athletes.

Improving Athletic Performance During an Activity

Dan Harris
  1. To get out of your head and into the moment, bring your attention to physical sensations, such as the feelings of your hand on the club, your feet on the ground, or external elements like wind and sun.
from 0 to over 100 people
Vox growth in staff Achieved within less than four years of its launch.
roughly 7 or 8 people
Ezra Klein's preferred management size The number of people he managed at The Washington Post, which he enjoyed.
30-40 people
Ezra Klein's maximum comfortable management size He found managing became less enjoyable once the organization grew beyond this size.
7%
Democratic Party non-white demographic (historical) In the 1940s or 1950s, indicating a more demographically mixed party.
44%
Democratic Party non-white demographic (current) Reflects the current demographic composition of the party.
90%
Republican Party white demographic (current) Reflects the current demographic composition of the party.