For the Burned Out, Fried, and Exhausted | Emily & Amelia Nagoski

Dec 20, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Emily and Amelia Nagoski, co-authors of "Burnout," discuss the science of burnout, its three characteristics, and the crucial difference between addressing stressors and completing the physical stress cycle. They provide evidence-based interventions to manage stress and improve well-being.

At a Glance
16 Insights
1h 10m Duration
18 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Burnout and the Nagoskis' Work

Amelia's Personal Story: Stress-Induced Illness

Emily's Motivation: The Science of Women's Well-being

Defining Burnout: Three Key Characteristics

Distinguishing Stressors from the Physical Experience of Stress

How Women Experience Burnout: Human Giver Syndrome

Processing Self-Blame and Shame: The Madwoman in the Attic

The Abyss Song: Bridging Identity and Societal Expectations

Completing the Stress Cycle: Physical Activity

Completing the Stress Cycle: Sleep and Circadian Rhythms

Completing the Stress Cycle: Imagination and Storytelling

Completing the Stress Cycle: Creative Self-Expression

Completing the Stress Cycle: Positive Social Interaction and Connection

Completing the Stress Cycle: Deep Breathing and Meditation

Completing the Stress Cycle: Crying and Laughter

Understanding 'The Real Enemy': Systemic Injustice and the Rigged Game

Overcoming Learned Helplessness by 'Doing a Thing'

Creating a 'Bubble of Love' for Mutual Care

Burnout

Burnout is a combination of depersonalization (decreased investment in work), a decreased sense of accomplishment (working harder for less), and emotional exhaustion. For women, emotional exhaustion is often the primary and most problematic component for physical health.

Emotional Exhaustion

This occurs when individuals get stuck in the middle of a biological emotional cycle, preventing the body from fully processing and returning to a state of peace and balance. Emotions are seen as biological cycles that need to run their full course.

Human Giver Syndrome

This describes a societal expectation, particularly for women, to have a moral obligation to be pretty, happy, calm, generous, and unfailingly attentive to others' needs. This often leads to neglecting one's own needs and the completion of personal stress cycles.

The Madwoman in the Attic

A concept representing the brain's desperate attempt to manage the unmanageable chasm between who we actually are and who the world expects us to be. When we fall short, this can manifest as rage at the world or self-shame.

Stress Cycle

The physiological response (fight, flight, freeze, fawn, tend, befriend) activated by perceived threats. This cycle needs to be completed through specific physical or emotional actions to signal to the body that it is safe and return it to a state of balance.

The Real Enemy (Rigged Game)

A metaphor for systemic oppression, such as patriarchy, which creates a 'rigged game' where certain populations face more and different obstacles to accessing power, resources, and well-being. Recognizing this external rigging can alleviate personal despair.

Bubble of Love

A supportive community or pocket of connection with others who take your well-being as seriously as you take theirs. In this bubble, individuals are welcomed as they are, free from external expectations, fostering mutual care and emotional support.

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What exactly is burnout and its components?

Burnout is defined by depersonalization (decreased investment in work), a decreased sense of accomplishment (working harder for less), and emotional exhaustion, where emotional exhaustion is the primary problem for health.

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How do women experience burnout differently than men?

For women, emotional exhaustion is the primary experience, often exacerbated by 'human giver syndrome,' while for men, the primary experience is a decreased sense of accomplishment.

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How can imagination help complete the stress cycle?

Just as imagination can initiate stress (e.g., worrying about a job interview), it can also complete it by engaging in stories (books, movies, video games) or vividly imagining scenarios that provide a sense of resolution or triumph.

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How does creative self-expression help with stress?

By channeling difficult feelings into creating something external (e.g., a meal, painting, song, writing), those emotions are put into a safe place outside the body, allowing the physiological stress response to complete.

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Can deep breathing and meditation help complete the stress cycle?

Deep breathing directly engages the parasympathetic nervous system, signaling safety. Mindfulness meditation can help if it provides a space for emotions to release and move through the system, rather than just suppressing them for temporary calm.

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How do crying and laughter help complete the stress cycle?

Both cathartic crying (without judgment or rumination) and uncontrollable, loud laughter are physical cycles that signal to the body that it is safe, allowing the physiological stress response to complete and bringing a sense of relief.

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What is 'the real enemy' in the context of burnout?

'The real enemy' refers to systemic oppression, such as patriarchy, which creates a 'rigged game' with unfair rules and obstacles, making it harder for certain groups to thrive and contributing to burnout.

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How can individuals overcome learned helplessness in the face of systemic injustice?

By 'doing a thing' – engaging in any action, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, to demonstrate to the nervous system that one is not helpless and can access safety and agency.

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How can one create a 'bubble of love' to combat burnout?

A 'bubble of love' is created by connecting with others who genuinely care for each other's well-being, where mutual support and acceptance replace external expectations, fostering a safe space for emotional expression and care.

1. Complete Stress Cycles

Actively engage in behaviors to complete the physiological stress response in your body, even if the stressor itself remains. This helps you feel better immediately and prevents stress from getting stuck, which can cause inflammation and disease.

2. Engage in Physical Activity

Use physical activity of any kind, even simple actions like tensing every muscle hard for 10+ seconds and then relaxing, as the most efficient way to complete the stress response cycle. This physical shift acts as a cue to your body that it is now a safe place.

3. Prioritize Adequate Sleep

Determine and prioritize your individual sleep needs (typically 7-9 hours), understanding that personal requirements vary. If you are a natural napper and it doesn’t disrupt your night sleep, napping can be a highly productive activity for your well-being.

4. Use Imagination for Stress Relief

Leverage your imagination to complete stress cycles, as your brain doesn’t distinguish between vivid imagination and reality. This can involve visualizing yourself overcoming stressors, or engaging with stories (books, movies, video games) that have a built-in stress response cycle.

5. Practice Creative Self-Expression

Engage in creative activities like writing, painting, cooking, or making music to channel difficult feelings outside of yourself. This prevents emotions from getting stuck in your body and helps complete the stress cycle without harming yourself or others.

6. Allow Yourself to Cry

Permit yourself to cry as a natural way to complete a stress response cycle. When crying, focus on non-judgmental observation of the physical sensations rather than ruminating on the cause, allowing the cycle to end naturally.

7. Seek Uncontrollable Laughter

Engage in genuine, uncontrollable belly laughter to achieve catharsis and signal safety to your body, thereby completing the stress cycle. If real laughter is elusive, reminisce about past belly laughs, especially with someone you shared it with, or listen to recordings of others laughing.

8. Practice Deep Breathing & Mindfulness

Utilize deep breathing, focusing on exhalation, to engage the parasympathetic nervous system and signal calm. Combine this with mindfulness (being aware without judging) to observe sensory experiences, breath, or movement, reminding your body it is safe and capable of reaching the end of a stress cycle.

9. Initiate Connection & Community

Be brave and initiate connection with others, even if it feels awkward, as it’s a universal human need. Move together in time with other people for a shared purpose (e.g., dancing, singing, marching, praying) to create a positive chemical shift and foster community.

10. Cultivate a ‘Bubble of Love’

Create a ‘bubble of love’ – a pocket of reciprocal connection with people who genuinely care for your well-being and accept you as you are, free from external expectations. Actively participate in caring for these individuals, as mutual support prevents burnout and fulfills a natural human need.

11. Recognize Systemic Unfairness

Understand that if life feels too hard, it’s often because the ‘game is rigged’ by systems of oppression, not due to personal failing. This knowledge can provide relief and help you re-evaluate your accomplishments in context, as you were not given all the rules to win.

12. Do ‘A Thing’ to Regain Agency

To counteract learned helplessness, ‘do a thing’ – complete any task, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, that is ’not nothing.’ This physical act demonstrates agency to your nervous system, proving you are not helpless and can access safety.

13. Practice Self-Compassion

When realizing you’ve caused harm or fallen short of expectations, turn toward that cruel inner voice with kindness and compassion. This creates space for learning, making amends, and growth, rather than self-flagellation.

14. Ask for Honest Feedback

To understand if you are inadvertently treating others with entitlement (e.g., due to ‘human giver syndrome’), ask people directly and repeatedly, contextualizing your questions as a genuine desire to improve. Initial responses from ‘givers’ may not be fully honest.

15. Embrace Wellness as Action

View wellness not as a static state of being, but as an active process of moving through natural bodily cycles, including rest and effort, and oscillating between connection and autonomy. This freedom of movement is essential for well-being.

16. Follow the NAP Ministry

Follow the NAP ministry and Bishop Trisha Hersey for insights that can change your life, particularly regarding rest and self-care.

Feelings are tunnels. You have to go all the way through the tunnel to get to the light at the end.

Emily Nagoski

The reason Audre Lorde said that self-care is an act of political warfare is because the survival of people who are systemically oppressed is the opposite of the continuance of injustice.

Emily Nagoski

The cure for burnout cannot be self-care. It must be all of us caring for each other.

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Do a thing, and a thing is anything that's not nothing.

Emily Nagoski

Wellness is not a state of being, it is a state of action.

Emily Nagoski

Completing the Stress Cycle through Physical Activity

Emily Nagoski
  1. Tense up every muscle in your body hard for a very slow count of 10 (or longer).
  2. Release and allow your muscles to relax.
  3. This physical shift acts as a cue to your body that it is now a safe place to be, siphoning off the most intense level of stress activation.

Overcoming Learned Helplessness

Emily & Amelia Nagoski
  1. Recognize that the 'game' (systemic injustice) is rigged, and you are not failing, but rather navigating an unwinnable situation.
  2. Engage in 'doing a thing' – any action, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, to prove to your nervous system that you are not helpless and can access safety. This can be a physical task like building a path or a creative act like writing.

Building a 'Bubble of Love'

Emily & Amelia Nagoski
  1. Identify people who care about your well-being as much as you care about theirs, forming a pocket of connection.
  2. Actively participate in mutual care, giving and receiving support without subscribing to the rules or expectations of the outside world.
  3. Be brave in initiating connection and vulnerability, recognizing that others likely share the same universal human need for belonging and support.
7 to 9 hours
Recommended sleep duration Individual needs vary; some may need more or less. Emily is a 7.5-hour sleeper, Amelia is a 9-hour sleeper.
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Age of toddlers in a study on synchronous movement and pro-social behavior Toddlers who bounced synchronously with an adult were more likely to help that adult later.
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Proportion of American households that are solo individuals Highlights the prevalence of loneliness in society.