Getting Over Yourself | Joseph Goldstein

Jul 14, 2021 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Joseph Goldstein, co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society, explores "the three proliferating tendencies" (Papancha) that perpetuate an unhealthy sense of self. He shares foundational insights and three practical meditation exercises to help listeners lighten up, become less self-centered, and find greater freedom.

At a Glance
16 Insights
1h 14m Duration
16 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Joseph Goldstein and the Three Proliferating Tendencies

Understanding Papancha: The Mind's Proliferating Tendencies

The Buddha's Core Teaching: Not Mine, Not I, Not Myself

First Tendency: Craving and the Sense of 'Mine'

Second Tendency: Conceit (Mana) and the Sense of 'I Am'

The 'All': Basic Building Blocks of Experience

Third Tendency: The View of Self and Its Non-Existence

The River Analogy: Understanding Non-Self

Conventional vs. Ultimate Truth in Buddhist Teachings

Joseph's Personal Experience: Freeing the Mind from Conceit

Practice 1: Using the Passive Voice to Dissolve 'I Am'

The Delight of Seeing Mental Defilements Clearly

Practice 2: Meditation on the Elements (Earth, Air, Fire, Water)

The Buddha's Teaching to Rahula on the Elements

Practice 3: Focusing on the Disappearing Aspect of Experience

The Free-Fall Analogy: Stages of Experiencing Impermanence

Papancha (Proliferating Tendencies)

This Pali term refers to the mind's tendency to elaborate and proliferate from the bare elements of experience, building complex mental worlds. These tendencies complicate our lives, particularly by creating suffering, and understanding them is key to freedom.

Craving ('Not Mine')

The first of the three proliferating tendencies, craving involves taking things to belong to 'me' or 'mine.' This identification leads to suffering when those things inevitably change, age, get sick, or die, as we desire them to be other than they are.

Conceit (Mana, 'I Am')

The second proliferating tendency, 'mana' (Pali for conceit), is a deeply felt sense of 'I am.' It manifests as comparing oneself to others ('I am better/worse/equal to') or identifying with oneself across time (past, present, future 'I'). This 'I am-ing' is a pervasive, often unnoticed, mental contraction that causes suffering.

The All (Six Sense Bases)

The Buddha's description of everything that exists, comprising six sensory experiences: sight and visible objects, ear and sound, nose and smell, tongue and taste, body and sensations, and mind and mind objects (thoughts, emotions, images). All experience falls within these six, and suffering arises from our mental responses to them.

View of Self ('Not Myself')

The third proliferating tendency, where a substantial 'self' is created and cherished, despite it being a designation for changing mind-body elements rather than an independently existing entity. This attachment to a non-existent, substantial self is a core cause of suffering.

Non-Self (Anatta)

The understanding that 'self' is merely a designation for the constantly changing process of mind-body elements, much like 'river' is a designation for flowing water. It does not refer to anything substantial or independently existing, and realizing this is central to liberation from suffering.

Conventional vs. Ultimate Truth

Conventional truth refers to the everyday understanding and language we use (e.g., 'I,' 'self'), which is appropriate for communication. Ultimate truth refers to the underlying reality of constantly changing, non-substantial elements of experience. The problem arises when we mistake conventional designations for ultimate reality.

Buddhist Elements (Earth, Air, Fire, Water)

A simple framework for describing physical experience. Earth refers to hardness/softness, air to movement, fire to warmth/coolness, and water to cohesion. These terms help to experience physical phenomena free of the proliferating tendencies (papancha) by focusing on basic sensations rather than conceptual labels.

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What is wrong with claiming my own leg is mine?

Claiming your leg as 'mine' is a delusion because it's not a fixed, personal possession. This attachment leads to suffering as the body inevitably ages, gets sick, and dies. Seeing the body as non-personal elements of nature allows for ease and harmony with change.

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How can I be held responsible for the consequences of my actions if I don't exist as a 'self'?

The concept of 'I' or 'self' is not necessary to understand that actions have consequences. The flow of life happens lawfully, meaning present actions condition future outcomes. Actions rooted in greed or hatred will lead to suffering, a cause-and-effect relationship that operates independently of a fixed 'self'.

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Are there any useful aspects of the 'self' or 'I'?

Using 'I' or 'self' in conventional language is perfectly fine for communication and navigating the world. The key is to understand that these are just designations—shorthand for a process—and not to be seduced into believing they refer to a substantial, independently existing reality.

1. Recognize Proliferating Tendencies

Become aware of, distinguish, and learn how to free yourself from the three proliferating tendencies (Papancha) to gain more wisdom in relating to them when they arise, which helps reduce suffering.

2. Adopt “Not Mine, Not I” View

Cultivate the perspective that “This is not mine, this I am not, this is not myself” for all experiences, aligning with perfect wisdom to reduce suffering and attachment.

3. Cease Grasping at Self

Recognize that the substantial sense of self is a mental creation that does not truly exist, and cease grasping and cherishing it to free yourself from suffering.

4. Practice Passive Voice Awareness

For 5-10 minutes, practice using the passive voice in your internal descriptions (e.g., “a sound is being heard” instead of “I am hearing”) by asking “What’s being known?” to remove the “I,” reduce over-efforting, and highlight the effortless, impermanent nature of experience.

5. Meditate on Physical Elements

For 5-10 minutes during walking or other activities, mentally label physical sensations as basic elements (e.g., “air element” for movement, “earth element” for hardness) to dissolve the sense of “mine” and experience sensations as non-personal, freeing elements.

6. Focus on Disappearing Experiences

For a short period during a walk or other activity, intentionally focus on the “disappearing edge” of each experience, mentally noting “gone, gone, gone” as sensations or thoughts vanish, which prevents clinging and fosters a liberating free flow of experience.

7. Learn Skillful Actions

Study and understand the types of actions that lead to suffering versus those that foster peace, using this knowledge as a blueprint for living effectively and happily without relying on a rigid sense of “I am-ness.”

8. Plant Seeds of Peace

Recognize that actions rooted in greed or hatred will lead to suffering, and instead, pay attention to the causes of your actions to plant seeds that will result in greater peace and happiness.

9. Distinguish Conventional vs. Ultimate Truth

Use conventional language like “I” or “self” for practical communication, but understand that these are mere designations and not ultimate realities, to avoid being “seduced” into believing in a substantial, fixed self.

10. Recognize Conceit to Release Suffering

When caught in self-judgment or suffering stemming from “I-am-ing” (conceit), simply recognizing this mindset as conceit can immediately cause the entire mental fabrication to release, freeing you from suffering.

11. Delight in Seeing Defilements

Instead of discouragement, cultivate delight when you observe defilements like conceit or “I am-ing” in your mind, understanding that clear seeing is enlightening and prevents these patterns from running riot in your life, leading to greater freedom.

12. Use “I Am” Conventionally

Use “I am” language for conventional communication, but consciously understand it as a mere designation for a process, not a substantial reality, to avoid being limited by the concept of a fixed self.

13. Release “Mine” Delusion

Understand that claiming things as “mine” (e.g., “my leg,” “my body”) is a delusion that leads to suffering when those things inevitably age, get sick, or die; instead, see them as non-personal aspects of nature.

14. Observe “I Am” Comparisons

Pay attention to the “I am” sense, particularly when comparing yourself to others (better, worse, or equal) or when reflecting on your identity across past, present, and future, as this is a form of conceit that causes contraction and suffering.

15. Curb Mental Imperialism

To reduce suffering caused by the mind’s proliferating tendencies (Papancha), consciously stop being “imperialists in your own mind” by not colonizing the future with negative interpretations of present data points.

16. Embrace No Ground Equanimity

When meditating, if you experience a challenging phase of feeling “no security” or “nothing to hold on to” due to the rapid disappearance of phenomena, persist through it to realize there is “no ground,” leading to profound equanimity and peace.

And grasping and cherishing that which does not exist is the center of all our suffering.

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What's wrong with it is that it's not. You're living in delusion. Once again, Dan.

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The complexity and the confusion and the suffering comes in our mental response to these six things, how we're relating to them.

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Self is a designation for this changing process of mind-body elements.

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The freer we are from that contraction, the happier we will be.

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We can get to a place in the practice where we're actually delighted to see all this stuff because we would rather see it than not see it.

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Passive Voice Meditation

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  1. Spend five to ten minutes, either sitting or walking.
  2. Hold the question or frame: 'What's being known?' moment after moment.
  3. Settle back and recognize what is being known (e.g., 'a sight,' 'a sound,' 'a sensation,' 'a thought').
  4. Observe the effortless and impermanent nature of experience, without attempting to control or direct it, allowing things to arise and disappear by themselves.

Element Meditation (Walking)

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  1. Go for a walk at a normal or slow pace.
  2. As you move your leg, mentally note 'air element' (connecting to the sensation of movement).
  3. As your foot touches the ground, mentally note 'earth element' (connecting to the sensation of hardness or softness).
  4. Observe how this change in language removes the sense of 'my leg' or 'I am,' allowing the experience to drop into simply being elements being known, free of personal ownership.

Disappearing Edge Meditation

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  1. During an ordinary activity like walking, bring your mind to the 'lip of the flow' of experience.
  2. Ask yourself: 'What happened to the step of five minutes ago? One minute ago? 30 seconds ago? One second ago?'
  3. Recognize that it's 'gone, gone, gone,' focusing on the continual disappearance of experiences, seeing things 'falling away, falling away.'
  4. Observe how this makes it impossible to cling, leading to a sense of liberation and an open heart, as the mind lets go of grasping or attachment.