Hansa Bergwall, Reminding Us That We Die So That We Live

Mar 14, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

This episode features Hansa Bergwall, a publicist, writer, and meditation teacher, discussing his WeCroak app. The app reminds users of their mortality five times daily, aiming to foster present moment appreciation, provide perspective, and reduce suffering.

At a Glance
16 Insights
46m 53s Duration
15 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Dealing with Anger Through Meditation

Meditating Without a Guided App

Introduction to the WeCroak App and its Purpose

Hansa Bergwall's Early Life and Introduction to Meditation

Exploring Shamanic Meditation Practices

Understanding Kundalini Yoga and Meditation

Personal Benefits of Meditation Practice

How the WeCroak App Functions

Historical and Philosophical Basis for Contemplating Death

Paradoxical Benefits of Remembering Mortality

WeCroak App's Impact and User Experiences

Memento Mori: Ancient Practice of Death Contemplation

Personal Motivations Behind the WeCroak App

Acceptance of Aging, Illness, and Death

The Future of WeCroak and its Sudden Popularity

Half-life of Anger

This concept, attributed to Sam Harris, suggests that the natural duration of an emotion like anger is inherently short. However, individuals often extend its lifespan through neurotic, obsessive, and compulsive thinking, re-upping the anger voluntarily.

Things Hurt More, Suffer Less

This describes a phenomenon experienced through meditation where increased self-awareness makes one more acutely aware of pain or discomfort (e.g., anger). Paradoxically, this heightened awareness leads to less long-term suffering because one is less likely to act out on the pain, feed it, or make others suffer as a consequence.

Macy's Day Parade Floats (Metaphor)

This metaphor illustrates how many people operate, with their head (thoughts, intellect) acting like a giant balloon disconnected from their body. This represents a state of being completely disembodied and unaware of one's physical presence, leading to a lack of connection with bodily well-being.

Amrit Vela

An esoteric term from the Sikh tradition referring to the couple of hours before dawn. This period is considered an auspicious time for meditation and spiritual practice.

Shamanic Meditation

A style of meditation that utilizes the frequency of drums or rattles to help push the brain into a very light trance state. This facilitates a meditation experience rich in visual phenomena and guided visualization.

Kundalini Yoga and Meditation

A tradition of yoga and meditation originating from the Sikh region of India. It involves a combination of mantra, mudra (hand positions), repetitive movements, and asana (holding specific body positions) to help practitioners focus and manage nervous energy.

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Does meditation eventually stop you from getting angry while driving?

Meditation helps you notice anger more quickly and reduces the likelihood of acting out on it or feeding it, shortening its duration and leading to less suffering in the long term, even if the initial feeling of anger is still present.

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Is it problematic to rely on guided meditation apps for practice?

It's not necessarily problematic or an addiction to use guided meditations frequently; it can be a balanced practice. However, it's beneficial to also practice unguided meditation to develop self-sufficiency.

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Why would anyone want an app that reminds them they're going to die?

Contemplating mortality, as practiced in various ancient wisdom traditions, helps align the mind with truth, brings perspective, makes everyday life more vivid and consequential, and increases appreciation for the present moment.

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What are the benefits of contemplating death?

It helps you drop into your body and breath, cherish the present moment, put things in perspective, and can lead to greater happiness and a more accurate understanding of life, reducing suffering caused by avoiding this fundamental truth.

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What is the 'memento mori' practice?

Memento mori is a Stoic philosophical practice of remembering one's own mortality, often by keeping a symbolic object like a skull, to encourage living a more virtuous and present life.

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How does accepting mortality relate to compassion?

When we accept our own tender parts—that we will age, get sick, and die—it opens the doorway to loving-kindness and compassion, as we recognize that all other living beings share this same fragility.

1. Contemplate Mortality Daily

Regularly contemplate your own death (e.g., five times a day, as per Bhutanese maxim or Stoic memento mori) to align your mind with truth, cherish the present moment, gain perspective on worries, and make better choices, which ultimately feels better than running from this reality.

2. Embrace Truth for Better Choices

Align your mind with what is true, especially regarding mortality, as running from reality is more painful. An accurate map of reality helps the mind make better choices and generate good thoughts.

3. Accept Aging, Illness, Death

Accept that you are of a nature to age, get sick, decay, and die. This acceptance helps your identity be flexible, reduces surprise at physical changes, and opens the door to loving-kindness and compassion for all beings who share this fragility.

4. Overcome Separation with Mortality Reflection

Reflect on your own mortality and the shared condition of all living beings to overcome the feeling of separation from the universe, fostering a sense of connection that feels good.

5. Prepare for a Serene Death

Engage in practices (like death contemplation or meditation) and prepare yourself ahead of time to cultivate a ‘sublime acceptance’ of death, aiming for a serene and less painful dying experience.

6. Self-Awareness Reduces Suffering

Cultivate self-awareness through meditation; while it may initially make you more aware of pain, it ultimately leads to less suffering by reducing the likelihood of acting out or feeding negative emotions.

7. Observe Anger’s Physical Sensation

When you feel anger, notice its physical sensations in your body, which can make you less likely to immediately yell, scream, or say something snide, fostering non-judgmental awareness.

8. Shorten Anger’s Half-Life

Be aware that neurotic, obsessive thinking re-ups anger; by not feeding it with these thoughts, you can shorten its natural, brief half-life and reduce prolonged suffering.

9. Quicker Anger Recovery

Through consistent meditation, you can catch anger more quickly even if initially overtaken, allowing you to apologize or stop negative behavior sooner.

10. Basic Meditation Steps

To meditate, close your eyes (or keep them slightly open), sit with a reasonably straight back, bring full attention to the feeling of your breath (in and out, picking a prominent spot like nose, chest, or belly), and when distracted, gently start again.

11. Connect with Your Body

Practice meditation to drop into yourself and notice your presence in your body and with your breath, which can recur throughout the day, leading to increased happiness and well-being by counteracting a head-disconnected state.

12. Meditate Without Guided Apps

If you rely on guided meditations, try practicing on your own by setting a timer (even an analog one) and following the basic meditation steps, which helps build independent meditation skills.

13. Kundalini Yoga for Nervous Energy

If mindfulness meditation is frustrating due to ’nervy energy,’ try Kundalini yoga, which involves mantra, mudra, repetitive movements, and holding positions to help focus and channel that energy.

14. Utilize Shamanic Meditation for Visualization

Explore shamanic meditation using drums or rattles at a certain frequency to induce a very light trance state, facilitating vivid visualizations and cathartic experiences.

15. Joseph Goldstein’s Death Contemplation

Practice a 3-minute death contemplation exercise nightly: reflect on past generations who have lived and died, then systematically consider the finite lives of people you know, and finally, reflect on your own mortality.

16. Use Tech for Mortality Reminders

Utilize an app like ‘We Croak’ (or similar methods) to receive randomized, frequent reminders of your mortality throughout the day, which can help interrupt distracting or unhelpful thought patterns and bring you back to a larger perspective.

The natural half-life of any feeling emotion is actually kind of short, but we tend to re-up our anger through neurotic obsessive compulsive thinking.

Sam Harris (quoted by Dan Harris)

Things hurt more but you suffer less.

Dan Harris

Remembering that you're going to die is really important.

Hansa Bergwall

The mind actually likes being aligned with what is true.

Meditation teacher (quoted by Dan Harris)

Sometimes that's all it takes to take a deep breath, change the program and do something different, feel something different.

Hansa Bergwall

It's probably almost certainly more painful to run and hide from this reality than it is to turn around and face it squarely.

Dan Harris

We are of a nature to get sick, we are of a nature of a nature to age, to decay, to die and accepting that helps in our sense of our own identity of what we are as people and human beings.

Hansa Bergwall

Basic Meditation Steps (Unguided)

Dan Harris
  1. Close your eyes or maybe keep them open just a little bit.
  2. Sit with your back reasonably straight.
  3. Bring your full attention to the feeling of your breath coming in and going out, picking a spot where it's most prominent (your nose, your chest, your belly).
  4. When you get distracted, start again, and again, and again.

Joseph Goldstein's Turbocharged Route to Enlightenment (Death Contemplation Part)

Joseph Goldstein (described by Dan Harris)
  1. Think about how many generations have come on the planet before us and how they've all come and gone.
  2. Systematically go through the people you know and think about how they have finite lives.
  3. Finish with contemplating your own finite life.
10%
Percentage of the time Dan Harris estimates he catches his anger before acting out Can be more depending on the day
11
Age Hansa Bergwall was when his mother died Suddenly, of an aneurysm
250
Number of quotes in the WeCroak app database From Buddhist teachers, Stoics, philosophers, poets, palliative care professionals
5
Number of times per day the WeCroak app sends reminders At randomized times
17,000
Number of people who have downloaded the WeCroak app As of the recording
90
Number of countries where the WeCroak app has been downloaded Around the world
1.5 million
Approximate number of death reminders sent by the WeCroak app To users
99 cents
Cost of the WeCroak app One-time payment
86
Number of WeCroak app users through December Before it 'suddenly started to catch up' in popularity