How Can I Meditate (Or Do Anything Else) When I'm in Pain? | Sebene Selassie

Oct 19, 2025 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Seb A. Selassie, a cancer survivor and meditation teacher, discusses how to meditate with physical and psychological pain. She shares her evolved approach, emphasizing self-awareness, practical interventions like movement or baths, and understanding pain's unique and universal nature.

At a Glance
13 Insights
23m 10s Duration
13 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Meditating with Physical and Psychological Pain

Seb Selassie's Personal Journey with Pain

Classical Mindfulness vs. Tending to Pain

Mental Amplification of Physical Pain

Cultural and Spiritual Judgments of Pain

Evolving Relationship with Pain and Self-Care

Subjectivity of Pain and Its Brain Processing

Over-Identification with Pain and Universal Suffering

The Wave and the Ocean Metaphor for Suffering

How to Discern What Your Body Needs Now

Benefits of Sticking with One Meditation Practice

Intuitive and Improvisational Practice Approaches

A Simple Practice for Body Awareness

Mental Amplification of Pain

This refers to how thoughts about pain can project beyond the actual physical sensation, increasing or intensifying the experience of pain. By focusing on the direct sensation (vibration, tingling, stabbing) rather than the narrative around it, one can perceive pain as a changing, impermanent physical phenomenon.

Cultural Context of Pain

Societal ideas often influence how we perceive and judge pain. In some spiritual contexts, pain might be seen as a sign of doing something 'wrong,' while wellness culture can equate physical and mental health with worthiness, leading to judgment of those in pain.

Pain as a Deep Teacher

All forms of pain, especially physical pain, can serve as profound teachers. It often leads to mental and emotional suffering, but by engaging with it mindfully, one can learn about identification, control, and the universal nature of suffering.

Identification with Pain

This concept describes how individuals can either over-identify with their pain (e.g., 'my pain' leading to collapse) or over-identify with their ability to withstand it (e.g., 'I can stand it' as a flex). Both extremes represent an over-attachment to the experience rather than observing it as a transient human condition.

Wave and Ocean Metaphor

This metaphor suggests that suffering arises when one feels separate from the larger interconnectedness of life, like a wave believing it's distinct from the ocean. Recognizing that individual suffering is part of a universal experience can reduce feelings of isolation and panic.

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How can I meditate effectively when experiencing physical or psychological pain?

While classical mindfulness suggests being with the experience and detaching from the story, it's also crucial to tend to what the body actually needs, which might include medication, movement, or a bath, rather than rigidly sticking to meditation.

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How does our perception and cultural context influence our experience of pain?

Our culture often judges pain, sometimes linking it to a lack of worthiness or spiritual failure. This adds a layer of mental suffering on top of physical pain, making it harder to simply be with the sensation itself.

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Are physical and emotional pain processed differently in the brain?

No, physical pain and mental/emotional pain are processed in the same part of the brain, implying a similar quality to how they are experienced and can feel overwhelming.

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How can I better understand what my body truly needs in a moment of pain or distress?

To discern what your body needs, come to a state of stillness (not necessarily rigid), drop the question into your awareness, and bring attention away from your head and into your body (belly, chest, feet) to listen for cues beyond just thoughts.

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Is it better to stick to one meditation practice or try different ones?

For beginners or those in a relatively stable state, sticking with one practice for a period (weeks, months, or even a year) can help you learn your own systems and observe patterns. If you're more advanced or going through a challenging period, an 'improvisational' approach, feeling into what's needed, can be beneficial.

1. Distinguish Pain from Story

Recognize the difference between the raw physical sensation of pain (e.g., vibration, tingling, stabbing) and the mental stories or projections about it (e.g., “I’m going to die,” “this is my fault”), as thoughts can amplify suffering.

2. Prioritize Body’s Needs

Always get in touch with what your body truly needs in the moment, whether that’s an ice pack, medication, a walk, a bath, or a specific meditation practice, rather than rigidly adhering to a formal practice.

3. Practice Pain Sensation Awareness

When pain is bearable, practice being with the actual felt sense experience of the pain, observing it as a changing, impermanent physical thing to transform your relationship to it.

4. Release Pain Control

Let go of the need to control or prevent pain, and instead focus on taking care of your body and living with what is occurring in each moment, understanding that pain is a deep teacher.

5. Stick to One Practice (Beginners)

If you are new to meditation or not in a destabilizing place, stick with one specific practice (e.g., breath meditation) for a sustained period (weeks to a year) to learn your own system and understand patterns of mind and body.

6. Intuitive Practice Selection (Experienced)

If you are more experienced or going through a difficult period, come to stillness, drop the question “What do I feel like today?” into your body, and listen to somatic cues from your belly, chest, and feet to intuitively choose the most suitable practice.

7. “Why Not Me?” Reflection

When experiencing personal pain or suffering, ask yourself “Why not me?” not as a form of punishment, but to understand that pain is a universal human experience and part of being alive, fostering a sense of shared humanity.

8. “You’re Not The Wave” Mantra

During moments of panic or suffering, use the mantra “you’re not the wave, you’re the ocean” to acknowledge that your experience is not unique, connect with universal suffering, and potentially reduce anxiety.

9. Simple Inhale/Exhale Scan

If feeling overwhelmed by practice options or disconnected from your body’s needs, sit down, follow one inhale and one exhale, then observe what’s happening in your body, repeating this process to build the muscle of listening.

10. Use Movement for Pain

Allow yourself to use movement as an intervention for pain, even if it means stepping away from a formal sitting meditation practice, as it can be a needed intervention.

11. Incorporate Water for Pain

Utilize water, such as taking baths, as a helpful element for pain relief and even as a setting for meditation, as it can be very soothing.

12. Calibrate Pain Language

When speaking with doctors, consider describing day-to-day pain as “discomfort” and reserving “acute pain” for very specific, severe experiences, to ensure accurate communication of your true pain level.

13. Cultivate General Awareness

Practice bringing awareness to your mind, body, and emotions to untangle the unique nature of your personal experience of suffering.

There's a big difference between my foot hurts. I'm feeling how my foot hurts. Stabbing, pulsing. There's a big difference between that and my foot hurts. It's probably infected. I'm going to die. I'm too young to die. And now we're at a panic attack.

DJ Kashmir

This pain is not mine alone. And this suffering is so universal. It's so human.

Seb Selassie

You're not the wave, you're the ocean.

Dan Harris

The simpler, often the better.

Seb Selassie

Discerning What Your Body Needs

Seb Selassie
  1. Come to some sort of stillness (standing, swaying, not rigid).
  2. Drop the question 'What do I feel like today?' or 'What is needed right now?' into your awareness and listen.
  3. Bring your awareness away from your head and into your body (feel the belly, feel the chest, feel the feet on the floor).
  4. Listen to other cues besides your thoughts.
  5. Sense into what you feel like today to understand what practice or intervention might be most supportive.

Simple Practice for Body Awareness

Dan Harris (attributing a teacher)
  1. Sit down.
  2. Follow one inhale.
  3. Follow one exhale.
  4. See what's happening in your body.
  5. Rinse and repeat for however many minutes you have.
4 rounds
Seb Selassie's experience with cancer treatment Over 20 years of experiencing pain from cancer.
Past 4 years
Period of most intense pain for Seb Selassie This period transformed her relationship to pain and how she teaches it.
Past 8 months
Period of worst pain for Seb Selassie Required different interventions like pain meds, movement, and water therapy.
18 years ago
Time since Seb Selassie's early cancer journey experience When she was hospitalized and realized the universality of suffering.
Most of a couple of years
Duration of Dan Harris's practice following teacher's advice Following the 'one inhale, one exhale, then see what's happening' method.