How Not to Ruin Your Relationships | Drs. John & Julie Gottman

Feb 14, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Drs. John and Julie Gottman, co-founders of The Gottman Institute, discuss how love is a skill and present their research-based "Sound Relationship House" theory. They cover conflict management, building intimacy, and the profound impact of relationship quality on health and longevity.

At a Glance
25 Insights
1h 8m Duration
19 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Gottmans' Personal Origin Story and Research Beginnings

Predicting Relationship Demise: The Four Horsemen

Training for Relationship Mastery: Speaking and Listening

The Sound Relationship House Theory: An Overview

Level 1: Building Love Maps

Level 2: Fostering Fondness and Admiration

Level 3: Turning Toward Bids for Connection

Level 4: The Positive vs. Negative Perspective

Level 5: Managing Conflict Effectively

Level 6: Honoring Each Other's Dreams

Level 7: Creating Shared Meaning

Gottmans' Own Relationship Practices and Fallibility

Understanding How Betrayal and Loyalty Develop

When to Consider Separation in Unhealthy Relationships

Beyond Skills: Deeper Emotional Work and Mindfulness

The Power of Small Positive Interactions Often

The Double-Edged Sword of Humor in Relationships

Societal Stakes: Relationships and Longevity

Gottman Institute Resources for Relationship Improvement

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

These are four communication patterns that predict relationship demise: criticism (blaming partner's personality), contempt (insulting partner's character), defensiveness (getting defensive when issues are raised), and stonewalling (withdrawing from interaction). Identifying and avoiding these behaviors is crucial for relationship health.

Sound Relationship House Theory

This is a comprehensive framework for healthy relationships, conceptualized as a house with seven levels and two weight-bearing walls. It outlines measurable components of friendship, intimacy, conflict management, and shared meaning, all supported by trust and commitment.

Love Maps

This refers to how well partners know each other's internal worlds, including their feelings, needs, beliefs, values, and history. It involves continuously asking questions and updating one's understanding of how the partner is evolving over time.

Turning Toward

This describes how partners respond to each other's 'bids for connection' – small attempts to get attention, interest, or express a need. A positive response, even a simple 'wow' or 'huh,' is considered 'turning toward,' while ignoring or responding hostilely is 'turning away' or 'turning against.'

Positive Perspective

This is a general outlook where partners give each other the benefit of the doubt, assuming good intentions even when something goes wrong. It's not directly worked on but emerges from strong foundational levels of friendship and intimacy, leading to a more positive overall view of the relationship.

Dreams Within Conflict

This is an intervention where partners explore the deeper, underlying dreams, values, or goals that fuel their positions on perpetual conflicts. Understanding these core aspirations helps partners move towards acceptance and compromise, even on issues that may never be fully resolved.

Situational Domestic Violence

This type of domestic violence, accounting for 80% of cases, occurs when both partners become physiologically flooded during conflict, leading to physical collision. Unlike characterological violence, both partners typically want to change and take responsibility, making it treatable.

Small Things Often

This concept emphasizes the importance of frequent, tiny moments of connection, positivity, and gratefulness in a relationship. These small expressions and acts build an 'emotional bank account,' creating a cushion for more difficult times and fostering a habit of noticing a partner's positive contributions.

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What is the most important variable for long-term happiness and health?

The quality of one's relationships—with friends, family, and romantic partners—is the most important variable for long-term health and happiness, more so than physical fitness or meditation streaks.

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How accurately can relationship outcomes be predicted?

Researchers can predict with almost 90% accuracy whether a couple's relationship will get worse or end within a three-year period, primarily by observing their conflict resolution styles for just 15 minutes.

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What are the key indicators of relationship success or failure during conflict?

Relationship 'disasters' tend to use criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling, and exhibit high physiological arousal. 'Masters' of relationships are gentler, take responsibility, maintain a sense of humor, and can self-soothe, showing a positive-to-negative interaction ratio of 5:1.

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Can individuals improve their relationship skills?

Absolutely, people can dramatically change their relationship dynamics by learning different ways to speak and listen, focusing on self-description rather than partner criticism, and engaging in deeper emotional work.

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Is it ever appropriate to use 'constructive criticism' with a partner?

No, there is no such thing as constructive criticism in relationships; it tends to make the partner defensive and sabotages effective communication. Instead, one should describe their own feelings and needs using 'I' statements.

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How does betrayal occur in a relationship?

Betrayal is a slow process built over time, often stemming from a 'choice point' where one complains about their partner to someone else rather than addressing issues directly with the partner. This leads to magnifying the partner's faults and thinking the 'grass is greener,' eroding commitment and trust.

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When should a couple consider separating?

Separation is advisable when one partner feels complete apathy (no feelings left, not even anger) for the other, or in cases of characterological domestic violence where the perpetrator takes no responsibility and causes major injury.

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What is the role of humor in healthy relationships?

Shared humor is a powerful connector and can lower physiological arousal during conflict. However, humor can be a 'double-edged sword' if used to deflect from sensitive topics, minimize a partner's feelings, or, especially, if it becomes sarcastic contempt, which is highly destructive.

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What are the broader implications of healthy relationships for individuals and society?

The quality of close relationships is the basis for health and longevity, predicting immune system function, recovery from illness, susceptibility to infection, and overall physical and mental health. Improving relationship quality can extend life by an average of 17 years.

1. Prioritize Relationship Quality

Focus on improving the quality of your closest relationships (friends, family, romantic partners) because data shows it is the most important variable for long-term health and happiness, even more so than physical fitness or meditation streaks.

2. Eliminate Sarcasm and Contempt

Avoid using sarcasm or mockery that minimizes or attacks your partner, as this is a form of contempt, which is one of the biggest predictors of relationship demise and can negatively impact the listener’s immune system.

3. Use ‘I’ Language in Conflict

When discussing conflict, describe your own feelings and the situation that elicits them, rather than blaming your partner’s personality or pointing out their flaws. This approach prevents defensiveness and ensures your partner is more receptive to what you have to say.

4. Express Positive Needs Clearly

Clearly articulate what you positively need your partner to do, focusing on what you want them to achieve for you, rather than what you dislike or resent. This helps your partner understand how to meet your needs effectively and ‘shine’ for you.

5. Avoid Constructive Criticism

Refrain from using ‘constructive criticism’ because it is not effective and will likely sabotage your ability to be heard, leading to defensiveness from your partner. Instead, focus on expressing your own feelings and needs.

6. Implement Conflict Break Ritual

When physiologically flooded during conflict (heart rate above 100 bpm, or 80 bpm for athletes), take a break from the discussion, informing your partner when you will return. This allows you to self-soothe and return to the conversation in a calmer state.

7. Distract to Self-Soothe

During a conflict break, engage in distracting and calming activities like reading, listening to music, or meditating, specifically avoiding thinking about the fight. This prevents you from staying physiologically flooded and helps you return composed.

8. Deeply Understand Partner’s View

As a listener during conflict, summarize what you hear your partner saying and ask significant questions to understand their deeper values, beliefs, childhood history, and ideal dreams. This fosters deep understanding before you bring up your own position or move to compromise.

9. Accept Perpetual Conflict Differences

Recognize that 69% of conflicts in a relationship are perpetual and stem from personality differences that don’t ever get resolved. Learn to accept these differences in your partner rather than trying to eliminate them.

10. Honor Underlying Dreams in Compromise

When working on conflict and compromise, understand each other’s underlying dreams (core needs or ideals) and strive to build a compromise that preserves and honors these essential aspects for both partners.

11. Continuously Build Love Maps

Regularly ask your partner questions about their evolving internal world, including their feelings, needs, beliefs, values, and history. This helps you map their internal landscape and understand how they are changing over time.

12. Express Fondness and Admiration

Consistently express words of care, fondness, love, respect, and admiration to your partner, both verbally and through touch. These expressions are continuously needed to maintain connection and should never stop.

13. Turn Toward Connection Bids

Respond positively to your partner’s bids for attention, interest, or deeper needs, even with a small acknowledgment like ‘wow’ or ‘huh.’ This simple positive response fosters connection and intimacy.

14. Notice & Express Small Positives

Cultivate a habit of mind to notice and express gratitude for the small positive things your partner does, such as making coffee or cleaning. These frequent, tiny moments of connection build an emotional bank account and strengthen the relationship.

15. Maintain a Positive Perspective

Cultivate a positive perspective by giving your partner the benefit of the doubt when they are grumpy or act negatively, assuming an underlying reason rather than attributing it to their character. This prevents defensiveness and allows for a more compassionate response.

16. Address Complaints Directly

When unhappy or disappointed, choose to address your complaints directly with your partner rather than complaining to others. This choice reinforces loyalty, cherishes the relationship, and prevents the slow erosion of commitment.

17. Cherish Partner Daily

Actively choose to cherish your partner daily by magnifying their positive qualities and focusing on what you have, rather than mentally ’trashing’ them or comparing them unfavorably to others. Loyalty is built over time through this daily choice.

18. Think for Two to Build Trust

Build trust by consistently thinking about what benefits both yourself and your partner, aiming to maximize mutual benefits rather than solely focusing on your own needs. Trust is eroded when you prioritize only your own needs.

19. Discuss Shared Meaning & Purpose

Engage in conversations about what gives each partner’s life meaning and purpose, fostering curiosity and sharing these deeper aspects. This upper level of the sound relationship house is some of the strongest glue that bonds two people together.

20. Process Past Regrettable Incidents

Utilize a five-step process to revisit and reprocess past regrettable incidents or big fights that have created emotional wounds. This helps create healing around those past events and resolves emotional scars.

21. Deepen Self-Connection with Mindfulness

Develop practices like mindfulness and meditation to connect with your deepest internal self. This enables you to express vulnerability and connect with your partner on a profound level, beyond superficial communication.

22. One Person Can Improve Dynamics

If one partner consistently follows healthy communication blueprints, it can have a moderating effect on the entire relationship system. The other person will often soften their approach and become less belligerent, changing the dynamic.

23. Translate Humor to Emotion

If you tend to use humor to deflect during sensitive conversations, practice mindfulness to identify the underlying anxiety or pain driving the urge to crack a joke. Then, express that emotion instead of using humor as a distancer.

24. Request Serious Conversation

If your partner uses humor to deflect during a serious discussion, gently state, ‘This is serious for me. Can we not use humor right now?’ This helps ensure the important topic is addressed without minimization or disconnection.

25. Know When to Separate

Consider separation if one partner feels complete apathy (no anger, hurt, or fury, just an absence of feeling) towards the other, or if there is characterological domestic violence where the perpetrator takes no responsibility and causes major injury.

Love is not a factory setting, but instead a skill.

Dan Harris

There's no such thing as constructive criticism.

Julie Gottman

Contempt is one of our four horsemen of the apocalypse, one of the big predictors. In fact, it's one of the biggest predictors of relationship demise over time. And not only does contempt predict relationship demise, it's like sulfuric acid also for the immune system of the listener.

Julie Gottman

We're never at a loss for a regrettable incident to talk about to the audience. It's so true. To say, hey guys, we're just like you. We struggle. And that's what relationships are about.

Julie Gottman

We don't decide to be loyal once at the wedding ceremony or the commitment ceremony. We're deciding it every day, all the time, to really cherish what we have or think the grass is greener somewhere else.

John Gottman

Bringing Up an Issue (Speaker's Formula)

Julie Gottman
  1. Describe yourself: 'Here is what I feel...'
  2. State what the situation is that's eliciting feelings in you (not the partner's personality).
  3. State your positive need: '...and what is your positive need?' (What you want your partner to do to shine for you).

Understanding Your Partner's Position (Listener's Role)

Julie Gottman
  1. Summarize a little bit of what you hear your partner saying.
  2. Ask significant questions to understand the deeper, subterranean level of what the speaker is trying to convey.
  3. Examples of questions: 'Are there some values or ethics or kind of guidelines that you're following, some beliefs that are important to you in this position you have?'
  4. Example: 'How about your childhood? Is there some background history that's a part of your position on this issue?'
  5. Example: 'What would be your ideal dream here?'
  6. Example: 'Is there an underlying purpose or goal you have in your position on this issue?'
  7. Do not bring up your own position until you've truly understood the speaker's point of view.

Compromise and Resolution

Julie Gottman
  1. Each partner separates out what they are inflexible about versus what they're more flexible about in their position on the issue.
  2. Preserve each person's core belief, core need, or ideal dream as part of the compromise.
  3. Be flexible around the edges to reach a compromise.

Break Ritual for Physiological Flooding

Julie Gottman
  1. Recognize when your heart rate is above 100 beats a minute (or 80 for athletes), indicating you're 'flooded' and in fight-or-flight.
  2. Tell your partner when you'll come back to talk before you take the break.
  3. Self-soothe by doing something distracting and calming (e.g., reading, listening to music, running, meditating) without thinking about the fight.
  4. Return to the discussion in a more composed, calm, and gentle state to better hear and speak to your partner.
40 years
Years of research with couples John Gottman's research with thousands of couples.
Over 3,000
Number of couples studied Total couples involved in Gottman Institute research.
Over 90%
Accuracy of predicting relationship changes Prediction accuracy for how relationships would change over a three-year period, based on early conflict observations.
5 to 1
Ratio of positive to negative interaction for 'masters' of relationships during conflict Five times as much positive as negative interaction.
0.8
Ratio of positive to negative interaction for 'disasters' of relationships during conflict A little bit more negativity than positivity.
69%
Percentage of conflicts that are perpetual Conflicts based on personality differences that don't get resolved.
31%
Percentage of conflicts that are solvable Conflicts that can be resolved.
86%
Response rate to bids for connection in successful couples Percentage of times successful couples respond positively to their partner's bids.
33%
Response rate to bids for connection in unsuccessful couples Percentage of times unsuccessful couples respond positively to their partner's bids.
Above 100 beats a minute
Heart rate threshold for physiological flooding For most people; for athletic individuals, above 80 beats a minute indicates flooding where problem-solving ability is impaired.
20%
Percentage of domestic violence cases that are characterological Perpetrator takes no responsibility, causes major injury, and violence doesn't stop.
80%
Percentage of domestic violence cases that are situational Violence occurs due to both partners getting flooded, often not major, and both want to change.
17 years
Average life extension from improving relationship quality Based on research in social epidemiology, indicating the impact of relationship quality on health and longevity.