How to Be a Good and Sane Citizen in Ugly Times | Ezra Klein

May 18, 2020 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Ezra Klein, founder and editor-at-large of Vox.com and author of "Why We're Polarized," discusses how the pandemic has exacerbated political polarization. He explores the role of mindfulness in managing individual responses to political triggers and advocates for a more skillful approach to media consumption and local engagement.

At a Glance
17 Insights
59m 59s Duration
14 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Ezra Klein and Episode Focus

Polarization During the Coronavirus Pandemic

The Dangers of Current Political Polarization

Historical Context of Political Divisions vs. Party Polarization

Structural Solutions for American Political Dysfunction

Consequences of Polarization for Pandemic Response

Mindfulness as an Individual Tool for Navigating Politics

The Ineffectiveness of a Varied Media Diet for Depolarization

Podcasts vs. Twitter for Political Discourse

The Project: Understanding the System, Not Just Depolarization

Non-Dualistic Approach to Politics: Winning by Expanding Coalitions

Operationalizing a Non-Dual Vision: Local Engagement

Struggles with Meditation Practice During Crisis

Dan Harris's Advice for Struggling Meditators

Polarization

Polarization means that ideas, arguments, identities, or affiliations cluster between two poles; it is not intrinsically good or bad. The problem arises when a political system, like the US, requires high levels of compromise but polarization prevents it, leading to paralysis and an inability to resolve conflicts.

Identity Activation

This refers to the process by which political media and figures manipulate our identities, changing our cognition and how we treat each other. This process often happens unconsciously, distorting our perception and making it easy to be caught up in political narratives without realizing it.

Informational Ecosystem

This is the curated set of information sources an individual consumes. Building a thoughtful informational ecosystem can help reinforce desired identities and manage exposure to political triggers, rather than leaving the shaping of one's political identity entirely to external forces.

Cross-cutting Identities

These are identities that extend beyond the simple left-right political spectrum, such as regional or local affiliations. Developing these can create new dimensions for political engagement and prevent politics from collapsing into a zero-sum binary, which can be healthier for the political system.

Political Hobbyism

This concept distinguishes between engaging with politics as a hobby, similar to following sports, and actually doing the work of politics. The latter involves actively trying to win people over and gain power to achieve tangible goals, rather than just observing or reacting to political events.

Non-dualism in Politics

This approach to politics moves beyond the metaphor of 'winning by beating the other side,' which often leads to zero-sum outcomes. True political victory, in this view, involves compromise, expanding coalitions, and bringing people into one's circle, even those who initially seem like opponents, to achieve progress.

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Has the Coronavirus pandemic ended political polarization in the US?

No, the pandemic has not ended polarization; instead, it has filtered through existing political mechanisms, leading to inverted beliefs (e.g., Republicans believing the worst is over, Democrats believing it's ahead) and steady political leads for candidates.

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Is political polarization inherently bad for a country?

Polarization itself is not intrinsically good or bad; it simply means ideas and affiliations cluster between two poles. The danger arises when a political system, like the US's decentralized one, requires high levels of compromise but polarization prevents it, leading to paralysis and an inability to resolve fights.

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How does modern polarization differ from historical divisions in the US?

Historically, major divisions (like the Civil Rights Act or Vietnam War) did not split cleanly along party lines. Today, divisions are amplified by politics and are almost entirely split by party, leading to political paralysis even if the divisions themselves are not yet as deep or violent as in past eras.

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What are the consequences of polarization for navigating the Coronavirus pandemic?

Polarization could lead to a 'Coronavirus culture war' with blue and red coalitions taking opposing stances on lockdowns and reopening, exacerbating existing urban-rural divides. It also prevents the country from building a 'third option' like robust testing, tracing, and quarantining capacity, forcing a polarized debate between unsustainable choices.

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Can mindfulness help individuals deal with political polarization?

Yes, mindfulness can help individuals have a saner, healthier relationship with politics by increasing awareness of how political triggers manipulate one's identity and cognition. It allows individuals to notice what is happening inside them when consuming political media, even if it's not a systemic solution for political dysfunction.

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Does diversifying one's media diet (e.g., a liberal reading Breitbart) help depolarize individuals?

No, research suggests that exposing oneself to opposing viewpoints in certain contexts, like Twitter, can actually make individuals more polarized. It's more effective to seek out sources that strengthen other dimensions of identity (e.g., local news) or listen to thoughtful individuals from the 'other side' who are genuinely trying to persuade, not just rally their base.

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Why are podcasts potentially better than social media (like Twitter) for engaging with political discourse?

Podcasts, being conversational, tend to bring out more nuanced, human, and conciliatory versions of people, fostering a social dynamic that discourages direct conflict. Twitter, by contrast, often encourages one-dimensional, un-nuanced, and conflict-oriented discourse, making it harder to find common ground or understand opposing views.

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What is the overall 'project' for individuals in a polarized society, if not just depolarization?

The project is primarily about understanding how the political system works and how it affects individuals, rather than solely focusing on depolarization, which may not be achievable at scale. It also involves adapting to polarization as a reality and finding ways to engage with intentionality, compassion, and a focus on making tangible progress.

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How can individuals adopt a 'non-dualistic' approach to politics?

A non-dualistic approach involves recognizing that 'winning' in politics often means compromising, expanding coalitions, and building bridges with those who seem like opponents, rather than simply beating them. This can be operationalized by focusing on getting tangible things done, especially at the local level, which makes the need for compromise and collaboration clearer.

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How can one maintain a meditation practice during a crisis like a pandemic, especially when feeling increased anxiety or a desire to flee unpleasant emotions?

It's important to give oneself a break and avoid perfectionism, as increased distraction or changes in habits are natural coping mechanisms during difficult times. In meditation, it's crucial to let go of the 'wanting' for a specific outcome (like clarity) and instead focus on clearly feeling whatever emotions are present, allowing for skillful coexistence with difficult feelings rather than fighting or escaping them.

1. Mindfulness in Political Engagement

Be more attentive to your internal state and mind’s workings when engaging with political discussions, media, or triggers to understand how your identity is being activated and distorted.

2. Redefine Political “Winning”

Recognize that true political ‘winning’ is not about beating others, but about expanding your coalition, bringing people into your circle, and building relationships that foster mutual understanding and progress.

3. Focus on Local Political Progress

Dedicate your political engagement to achieving tangible progress in the world around you, especially at the local level, as this makes it easier to build coalitions, compromise, and focus on helping rather than just winning.

4. Anchor Locally in Politics

Anchor more of your political attention and efforts in the place you live, as local engagement can be very powerful, healing, and consequential, unlike the often abstract national politics where individual effect is limited.

5. Cultivate Spiritual Anchoring

Practice a consistent and rigorous spiritual dimension in your life, such as meditation, to provide an anchoring from political winds and maintain a stable internal state.

6. Curate Informational Ecosystems

Actively build an informational ecosystem for yourself that consistently activates the identities you wish to be strongest, rather than leaving this project to others who may manipulate your identity.

7. Seek Respectful Opposing Voices

Intentionally seek out political voices who are trying to persuade an audience that doesn’t agree with them, as opposed to those who only speak to their own crowd, to gain a more nuanced perspective.

8. Choose Podcasts Over Twitter

Prioritize consuming political content through podcasts rather than social media like Twitter, as podcasts foster conversation and a more human, nuanced dynamic, while Twitter often promotes conflict and one-dimensional discourse.

9. Mindful Varied Podcast Diet

Consume a diverse range of political podcasts from across the spectrum, while mindfully observing your emotional and cognitive reactions (e.g., triggers, desire to see others vanquished, delight in agreement) to become a better citizen and journalist.

10. Reflect on Political Media Feelings

After consuming political media, especially on platforms like Twitter or cable news, take a moment to reflect on how you feel, what’s happening inside you, and what has changed since you started engaging with the content.

11. Develop Cross-Cutting Identities

Actively develop identities beyond the simple left-right political spectrum, such as regional or community-based identities, to break out of zero-sum thinking and foster new dimensions for political engagement.

12. Shift News Focus Locally

Reduce your consumption of national political news (e.g., from 90% to 70%) and increase your attention to local news, such as checking a local newspaper daily, to better anchor yourself in your community.

13. Practice Self-Compassion Now

Give yourself a break during difficult times like a pandemic, letting go of perfectionism and recognizing that forming or exacerbating coping habits is natural, while still striving to be mindful of them without self-judgment.

14. Meditate Without Expectations

Approach meditation without wanting a specific outcome or feeling (like clarity), as desire can hinder the practice; instead, focus on clearly feeling whatever is present without judgment.

15. Skillfully Coexist with Emotions

Stick with your meditation practice to skillfully coexist with difficult emotions by noticing them, letting go of the desire for them to change, and relaxing into them, rather than feeding, fighting, or ignoring them.

16. Seek Meditation Guidance

Engage with meditation teachers or fellow meditators to receive reminders of basic principles and avoid common traps, as everyone, including experienced practitioners, can forget fundamental aspects of the practice.

17. Read Local News Daily

Make sure to read a local news source every day to stay informed about what’s happening in your immediate area and foster a stronger connection to your local community.

We are definitely not all coming together.

Ezra Klein

Oh, it's very dangerous, but often not for the reasons people think.

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I don't think that we have greater divisions in this country now than we did then... But our politics is amplifying them as opposed to calming them. And that's a real difference.

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I don't think this, and I'm very clear about this in the book, I don't think this is a systemic solution for our problems. I think it is a healthy thing to do as individuals, and that is not worthless.

Ezra Klein

The absolute worst place to do this is Twitter because people are a very one-dimensional, un-nuanced, speaking-to-their-own-crowd version of themselves on Twitter.

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You don't win by beating people. You win by bringing them into your circle with you.

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Acceptance in a meditative, contemplative sense is not at all resignation or passivity.

Dan Harris

The desire to not feel it has been very powerful for me. I've been very much struggling with my practice here in a way that I, not that I haven't been trying to keep it up, because I have been, but yeah, there is something about wanting to flee from this moment and knowing that we might be in it for a long time, which has really, really increased the tendency I sometimes have to want to run from an unpleasant emotion.

Ezra Klein

Wanting is one of the most noxious things you can bring to the meditative party.

Dan Harris

Individual Strategy for Navigating Polarization

Ezra Klein
  1. Be attentive to what is happening inside your mind and body when consuming political media or encountering political triggers.
  2. Be aware of how political figures and media manipulate identities and how identity activation distorts cognition.
  3. Build an informational ecosystem that most often activates the identities you want to be strongest (e.g., local, spiritual, professional identities).
  4. Actively seek out cross-cutting identities, such as regional or local affiliations, to break out of the national left-right binary.
  5. Anchor more of your political engagement in local issues where you can have a tangible effect and work towards making progress, rather than just 'winning.'
  6. When consuming diverse media, be thoughtful about sources that genuinely try to persuade across divides (e.g., Ross Douthat) versus those that primarily rally their base (e.g., Breitbart).
  7. Utilize mediums like podcasts that encourage nuanced conversation over conflict-oriented platforms like Twitter.

Mindful Engagement with Difficult Emotions During Crisis

Dan Harris
  1. Give yourself a break and avoid perfectionism, acknowledging that increased distraction or changes in habits are natural coping mechanisms during difficult times.
  2. In meditation, let go of the 'wanting' for a specific outcome (like clarity), as desire can hinder the practice.
  3. Focus on feeling whatever emotions are present clearly, rather than trying to fight, feed, or paper over them.
  4. Investigate feelings with curiosity, noticing how they show up in your body and the thoughts they provoke.
  5. Metabolize emotions to enable effective action from a place of increased calm, rather than reflexive rage.
72%
Percentage of Republicans believing the worst of the pandemic was behind us At the time of the poll mentioned by Ezra Klein
74%
Percentage of Democrats believing the worst of the pandemic was ahead of us At the time of the poll mentioned by Ezra Klein
6 points
Joe Biden's steady lead over Donald Trump in polls Consistent for a year, including before and during the coronavirus pandemic
900 people per square mile
Density threshold for a 'dense place' in the US No single dense place defined this way votes Republican
1,200 people
Participants in a Duke University study on social media polarization Researchers paid them to restructure their Twitter feeds