How to Give Feedback Without Ruining Everything | Kim Scott

Nov 3, 2021 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Kim Scott, author of "Radical Candor" and "Just Work," discusses how to give effective feedback by caring personally and challenging directly, avoiding ruinous empathy, manipulative insincerity, and obnoxious aggression. She also shares strategies for addressing workplace injustice like bias, prejudice, and bullying.

At a Glance
29 Insights
1h 6m Duration
20 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Defining Radical Candor and Its Counterparts

Understanding the Quadrants of Feedback

Why We Struggle with Radical Candor

Story of Ruinous Empathy: The Case of Bob

Story of Radical Candor: The 'Um' Feedback

Compassion vs. Courage in Giving Feedback

Overcoming Reputation Management and Self-Interest

The Importance of Stating Intent and Building Relationships

Order of Operations for Practicing Radical Candor

Addressing Annoying Personal Styles and 'Feedback Debt'

The Wake-Up Call Leading to 'Just Work'

Addressing Workplace Injustice: Bias, Prejudice, and Bullying

Implementing Bias Disruptors in Teams

Responding to Prejudice with a Code of Conduct

Creating Consequences for Bullying

Responding When You Cause Harm: Listen and Address

Strategies for the Aggrieved Party: I, It, and You Statements

Moving Through Shame When Your Bias is Pointed Out

The Risks and Rewards of Speaking Up

The Impact of Power on Workplace Injustice

Radical Candor

Radical candor occurs when you care personally about someone while simultaneously challenging them directly. It's about being clear and honest in your feedback, rooted in a genuine desire to help the other person improve and succeed.

Obnoxious Aggression

This quadrant describes challenging directly without showing that you care personally. It's often perceived as being a jerk or 'frontstabbing,' causing harm to the recipient without the benefit of perceived good intent.

Manipulative Insincerity

This is the worst quadrant, characterized by neither caring personally nor challenging directly. It manifests as passive-aggressive behavior, political maneuvering, backstabbing, or false apologies, often driven by self-interest or fear of confrontation.

Ruinous Empathy

This happens when you care personally but fail to challenge directly, often out of a desire not to hurt someone's feelings. While seemingly kind, it can be paralyzing and ultimately harmful, as it prevents people from receiving necessary feedback to improve.

Bias

Bias is typically an unconscious stereotype that individuals reject once they become aware of it. It's often not malicious but reflects ingrained assumptions that can lead to unfair treatment.

Prejudice

Prejudice refers to conscious, deeply held beliefs that cause harm to others. Unlike bias, it's not an unconscious stereotype but a deliberate belief system that influences actions and words.

Bullying

Bullying is defined as intentionally meaning harm, without necessarily having underlying beliefs (conscious or unconscious) about the person. It's about exerting power and control through aggressive or intimidating behavior.

Fundamental Attribution Error

This is the tendency to assume that a problem is solely due to some inherent attribute of another person, rather than considering situational factors or one's own role. It prevents individuals from seeing the situation from the other person's perspective.

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What are the different ways to screw up giving feedback?

Feedback can be screwed up in three main ways: obnoxious aggression (challenging directly without caring), manipulative insincerity (neither caring nor challenging), and ruinous empathy (caring personally but failing to challenge directly).

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Why is it so hard for people to give direct feedback?

It's hard because of early life training (e.g., 'be professional,' 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'), and the natural human tendency to avoid discomfort or hurting feelings, which can lead to ruinous empathy or manipulative insincerity.

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How can one move from ruinous empathy to radical candor?

Moving from ruinous empathy to radical candor often involves remembering the negative consequences of not speaking up, using storytelling to illustrate past mistakes, and focusing on compassion for the other person rather than personal discomfort.

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What is the best way to start practicing radical candor?

The best way to start is by soliciting feedback from others, asking what you could do or stop doing to make it easier to work with you, and then rewarding the radical candor you receive.

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How should feedback be delivered in day-to-day interactions?

Feedback should be given frequently, not saved for formal reviews. It should be impromptu, two-minute conversations, focusing on both praise and gentle criticism, while gauging the listener's response and adjusting your approach.

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What should you do when a colleague has an annoying personal style that doesn't seem fixable?

It's important to differentiate between important feedback and minor annoyances. For small, unchangeable things, try to let them go, following the rule of leaving three unimportant things unsaid daily. In intimate relationships, you might own your feelings and ask for an accommodation, but at work, you should manage your own neuroses.

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How can leaders create an environment where people feel safe to give radically candid feedback, especially regarding injustice?

Leaders can create safety by breaking down workplace injustice into component parts (bias, prejudice, bullying) and addressing each differently. This includes implementing 'bias disruptors,' establishing a clear code of conduct for prejudice, and creating clear consequences for bullying.

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What are 'bias disruptors' and how do they work?

Bias disruptors are a three-part strategy to address unconscious bias: establishing a shared vocabulary for flagging bias, creating a shared norm for how to respond when one's bias is pointed out (e.g., 'thank you, I get it' or 'can you explain it after the meeting'), and a shared commitment to actively flag bias in meetings.

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What should someone do if they are the one who has caused harm through bias, prejudice, or bullying?

The key is to 'listen and address.' This involves moving through shame, not immediately asserting 'I didn't mean to,' but rather apologizing, listening to the impact of your actions, and then taking steps to make it right and educate yourself.

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How can an aggrieved party speak up about workplace injustice without risking their career?

The aggrieved party should choose their response, becoming aware of the costs of silence versus the benefits of speaking up. They can use 'I statements' for bias, 'it statements' for prejudice (e.g., 'it is illegal'), and 'you statements' for bullying (e.g., 'you can't talk to me like that') while observing the other person's response and adjusting.

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How can one move through the shame of having their bias pointed out?

When bias is pointed out, acknowledge it by saying 'thank you for pointing it out.' If you don't understand, ask for an explanation after the meeting and commit to educating yourself. Be patient and persistent with yourself as you work to change unconscious patterns.

1. Care Personally, Challenge Directly

Practice radical candor by simultaneously showing genuine personal care for someone while also directly challenging their behavior or work. This combination is essential for effective communication and growth.

2. Measure Candor at Listener’s Ear

Always gauge how your feedback is being received by the listener and adjust your approach (more care or more directness) based on their response. This ensures your message lands effectively and is heard.

3. Solicit Feedback Before Giving

Prioritize asking for feedback from others about your own behavior before you offer criticism to them. This demonstrates humility, builds trust, and proves you can accept feedback yourself.

4. Practice Feedback Weekly, Impromptu

Integrate frequent, short, impromptu feedback conversations (both praise and criticism) into your weekly interactions, rather than saving them for formal reviews. This prevents feedback debt and makes communication more natural and effective.

5. Explicitly State Caring Intention

Clearly articulate your positive intention when giving feedback, stating that you are doing so because you care about the person or the relationship. This helps the listener receive difficult messages with less defensiveness.

6. Avoid Ruinous Empathy

Do not withhold direct, necessary feedback out of a desire to be ’nice’ or to avoid hurting someone’s feelings, even when you care personally. This seemingly empathetic approach can ultimately be more damaging than directness.

7. Avoid Obnoxious Aggression

When challenging someone directly, always ensure you are also demonstrating personal care. Challenging without care leads to obnoxious aggression, which causes harm and creates workplace drama.

8. Avoid Manipulative Insincerity

Do not become indirect, passive-aggressive, or engage in backstabbing when you realize you’ve been too aggressive or fear confrontation. This behavior, known as manipulative insincerity, is the worst form of communication.

9. Understand Why Feedback Is Hard

Acknowledge and forgive yourself for the inherent difficulty of giving feedback, recognizing that societal conditioning (‘be professional,’ ‘if you don’t have anything nice to say’) makes it challenging. This self-compassion helps overcome mental blocks.

10. Frame Feedback as Compassion

Reframe the act of delivering difficult feedback as an act of compassion for the other person’s growth and well-being, rather than solely an act of courage. This perspective can be more inspiring and prevent cruel delivery.

11. Don’t Wait to Build Relationship

Do not delay giving candid feedback, even to new acquaintances, under the assumption that a relationship must be fully established first. Trust is built through early acts of honesty and clarity.

12. Labor of Love Creates Care

Engage in the ’labor’ of giving difficult but necessary feedback, as this active engagement in the relationship can actually generate deeper care and connection over time. This principle suggests that action can precede emotion.

13. Let Go of Unimportant Annoyances

Consciously choose to overlook minor annoyances or things that are not truly important or within your purview to change, aiming to leave three unimportant things unsaid daily. This helps maintain healthy relationships and focuses energy on significant issues.

14. Manage Your Own Neuroses

Take personal responsibility for managing your own quirks and sensitivities in a professional setting. At work, you should manage your own neuroses rather than expecting others to accommodate them.

15. Optimize for Success, Not Failure

Assume that radical candor will generally lead to positive outcomes (nine out of ten times), and don’t let the fear of rare negative reactions prevent you from practicing it. This helps overcome negativity bias.

16. Leaders: Break Down Injustice

As a leader, break down the complex problem of workplace injustice into its component parts: bias, prejudice, and bullying. This allows for targeted and more effective interventions rather than feeling overwhelmed.

17. Leaders: Implement Bias Disruptors

As a leader, roll out ‘bias disruptors’ on your team by establishing a shared vocabulary for flagging bias, a shared norm for responding when bias is pointed out, and a shared commitment to flag bias in every meeting. This creates a safe environment for addressing unconscious bias.

18. Leaders: Write Code of Conduct

As a leader, write a clear code of conduct for your team that explicitly defines the line between personal beliefs and unacceptable prejudiced behaviors or statements. This provides clear boundaries and a basis for addressing prejudice.

19. Leaders: Create Bullying Consequences

As a leader, establish clear conversational, compensation, and career consequences for bullying behavior. This deters bullying, protects team collaboration, and prevents the promotion of ‘brilliant jerks.’

20. When Causing Harm: Listen, Apologize

When receiving feedback that you’ve caused harm, listen actively, apologize genuinely without immediately defending your intent, and take steps to make things right. This acknowledges impact and addresses the harm effectively.

21. Move Through Shame (Bias)

When your bias is pointed out, manage shame by saying ‘Thank you for pointing it out’ and, if unclear, ask for clarification later (‘Can you explain it to me after the meeting?’). This allows for learning without defensiveness.

22. Educate Yourself on Bias

After bias is pointed out, take personal responsibility to research and understand the nature of the bias, rather than placing the entire educational burden on the person who flagged it. This fosters self-awareness and habit change.

23. Routinely Question Your Beliefs

Cultivate open-mindedness and regularly examine your own deep-seated beliefs and assumptions, especially when prejudice is pointed out. This helps uncover unconscious views and promotes personal growth.

24. Aggrieved Party: Choose to Speak Up

If you are harmed by workplace injustice, consciously evaluate the costs of remaining silent versus the benefits of speaking up, rather than defaulting to silence. This helps reclaim agency and avoid long-term negative impacts.

25. Aggrieved Party: Use ‘I’ for Bias

When encountering bias, use an ‘I’ statement (e.g., ‘I think we should switch seats’) to gently shift the dynamic and invite understanding from your perspective. This is effective for unconscious bias.

26. Aggrieved Party: Use ‘It’ for Prejudice

When encountering prejudice, use an ‘it’ statement (e.g., ‘It is illegal,’ ‘It is an HR violation’) to state a fact or principle, avoiding arguments about conscious beliefs. This grounds the response in established rules.

27. Aggrieved Party: Use ‘You’ for Bullying

When encountering bullying, use a ‘you’ statement (e.g., ‘You can’t talk to me like that,’ ‘What’s going on for you here?’) or change the subject to assert control and push the bully away. This avoids inviting the bully closer.

28. Aggrieved Party: Don’t Seek Perfection

Release the pressure to formulate a perfect response when addressing injustice. The goal is to speak up and take action, not to have an ideal reaction.

29. Implement Organizational Checks/Balances

Implement checks and balances within organizational structures and governance to mitigate the negative effects of power combined with bias, prejudice, and bullying. This prevents discrimination, harassment, and violence.

Radical candor is caring personally at the same time that you're challenging directly.

Kim Scott

When you say every third word, it makes you sound stupid.

Kim Scott's Boss

It's not mean, it's clear.

Perfect Stranger

Radical candor gets measured not at the speaker's mouth, but at the listener's ear.

Kim Scott

We can't fix problems we refuse to notice.

Alan Eustace (quoted by Kim Scott)

Mom, they're trying to make me sad. Why would I tell them they succeeded?

Kim Scott's Daughter

Say something, you can always take it back. So just start.

Kim Scott's Great-Grandmother (quoted by Kim Scott)

Order of Operations for Radical Candor

Kim Scott
  1. Solicit feedback: Ask what you could do or stop doing that might make it easier to work with you.
  2. Give praise: Take a moment to give voice to the things you appreciate about the other person.
  3. Offer criticism gently: Start in a neutral place and notice how the other person is responding.
  4. Gauge and adjust: If the person is sad or mad, move up on the 'care personally' dimension. If they're not hearing you, move further on the 'challenge directly' dimension.
  5. Make it routine: Have these conversations on a weekly basis, not just for performance reviews. Solicit feedback every week, give praise multiple times a week, and offer criticism regularly in impromptu, two-minute chats.

Bias Disruptor Protocol

Kim Scott
  1. Come up with a shared vocabulary: Agree on words or signals (e.g., 'purple flag,' 'come again,' 'meow') to use when noticing bias in a meeting.
  2. Establish a shared norm for responding to bias: When your bias is pointed out, respond with either 'Thank you for pointing it out, I get it, I'm working on it' or 'Thank you for pointing it out, but I don't get it, can you explain it to me after the meeting?'
  3. Make a shared commitment: Insist that bias is flagged in every meeting, understanding that if no bias is flagged, it means people either didn't notice or didn't speak up.

Responding to Workplace Injustice (as the Aggrieved Party or Upstander)

Kim Scott
  1. Choose your response: Become aware of the costs and benefits of both silence and speaking up, and default to speaking up more often.
  2. If it's bias, use an 'I statement': Start with 'I' to invite the other person to understand your perspective (e.g., 'I think Aileen and I should switch seats').
  3. If it's prejudice, use an 'it statement': Start with 'it' to state a fact or rule without arguing (e.g., 'It is illegal to not hire someone because of their hair,' or 'It is ridiculous not to hire the most qualified candidate').
  4. If it's bullying, use a 'you statement': Start with 'you' to push the person away or change the dynamic (e.g., 'You can't talk to me like that,' or 'What's going on for you here?').
  5. Observe and adjust: Notice how the other person responds to your chosen statement and adjust your approach accordingly.
18, 19, 20 years old
Age when egos are maximally fragile and personas solidify, coinciding with 'be professional' messaging Kim Scott's observation about a crucial moment in development.
18 months old
Age when 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' training begins Kim Scott's observation about early childhood conditioning.
9 out of 10 times
Success rate of radical candor conversations Kim Scott's estimate for how often radical candor goes well.
1 out of 10 times
Failure rate of radical candor conversations Kim Scott's estimate for how often radical candor leads to a 'trainwreck'.
3
Number of unimportant things to leave unsaid daily in any relationship A rule for maintaining relationships.
90%
Percentage of men at a venture capital conference Context for an anecdote about unconscious bias experienced by Kim Scott.
11
Number of states where the Crown Act (prohibiting discrimination based on hair) is law Example of legal protection against prejudice.