How To Handle 4 AM Worry Spirals | Bart van Melik

Jan 25, 2026 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Bart van Melik, a guiding teacher at the Community Meditation Center in New York and self-described "worry warrior," shares practical tools for skillfully working with everyday anxiety. He discusses techniques like acknowledging worry, practicing self-kindness, and the crucial role of community in navigating fears.

At a Glance
16 Insights
21m 59s Duration
9 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Working Skillfully with Everyday Worry

Bart van Melik's Personal Experience as a 'Worry Warrior'

Initial Tools for Acknowledging and Engaging with Worry

Addressing Aversion to Worry and the Limits of Mindful Breathing

The Importance of Sharing Fears and Worries with Others

Recognizing Worry When It Feels Like Reality: The 'What Is This?' Question

Understanding Delusion, Confusion, and Clinging to Opinions

The Fundamental Role of Community (Sangha) in Spiritual Practice

Bart's Community Meditation Center and Online Offerings

Worry Warrior

A self-description used by Bart van Melik to characterize his natural tendency to frequently have 'what-if' thoughts and constantly anticipate worst-case scenarios, likening it to 'praying for stuff you don't want'.

This Wants to Be Seen Right Now

A practice phrase used in meditation to acknowledge the presence of a worrying thought or feeling without needing to understand its origin or immediately resolve it, simply recognizing its desire for attention.

Aversion to Worry

The deep-seated desire for unpleasant feelings, like worry, to disappear. This aversion can sometimes be more problematic than the worry itself, especially when it manifests as 'full-blown hatred' towards one's own anxious thoughts.

What Is This?

A low-barrier entry point question to foster curiosity when feeling tension or being stuck in the mind. It helps to snap out of identification with worry by prompting an inquiry into the present experience, even if the answer is 'not knowing' or 'confusion'.

Clinging to Opinions

A teaching from the Buddha, highlighted in the context of worry, where individuals hold onto their beliefs and opinions, often about worst-case scenarios, as if they are absolute truths, contributing to states of worry and delusion.

Sangha/Community

The fundamental importance of friendship and connection with other people for spiritual practice and life. It is considered the first prerequisite for awakening, helping individuals to reflect on and recognize difficult states like fear, worry, and confusion, and fostering a sense of not being alone.

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How can one practice with everyday fear, worry, and anxiety?

Bart suggests pausing to acknowledge the worry ('here you are again'), using the phrase 'this wants to be seen right now,' asking 'what would kindness do right now,' feeling the aversion to the worry itself, and talking about fears with other people.

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Why does mindful breathing sometimes not work for anxiety?

Mindful breathing often fails because, deep down, there is an aversion or desire for the unpleasant feeling of worry to go away, rather than a willingness to fully acknowledge and feel it.

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How can one recognize worry more quickly when it feels like reality or necessity?

Engaging in community and reflecting on past experiences with others helps in faster recognition. Additionally, when feeling tension, asking 'what is this?' can foster curiosity and help snap one out of identification with the worry.

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What are the top two fears in America?

According to a Google search mentioned in the episode, the top two fears are public speaking (number one) and death (number two).

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What is the lowest barrier to entry for recognizing worry when feeling stuck in the mind?

The lowest barrier is simply asking the question 'what is this?' when feeling tension. This question encourages curiosity and can help break the identification with the worrying thought, even if the immediate answer is 'I don't know' or 'confusion'.

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How does the Buddha's teaching on clinging relate to anxious thinking?

The Buddha taught about clinging to opinions, and often when people are worried, confused, or deluded, they become opinionated and cling to these opinions, believing them to be true, which perpetuates anxious thinking.

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Why is community or Sangha considered crucial for spiritual practice and well-being?

The Buddha stated that friendship is the first prerequisite for awakening, and that a wiser, kinder view on life requires both the 'voice of another' and 'careful attention and mindfulness.' Community helps individuals reflect on their experiences, recognize difficult states, and strengthens the sense of not being alone in their practice.

1. Befriend Yourself and Mind

Approach your practice with the ultimate goal of making friends with yourself and your mind, rather than trying to eliminate difficult feelings.

2. Engage in Community, Share Fears

Actively engage in community and share your fears and worries with other people, as this is fundamental for recognizing and working with difficult emotions.

3. Ask ‘What Is This?’

When you feel tension or are stuck in your mind, ask yourself the simple question, ‘What is this?’ to cultivate curiosity and snap out of identification with the feeling.

4. Acknowledge Worry: ‘Here Again’

When worry arises, pause and acknowledge its presence by saying, ‘Here you are again,’ which helps create space from the worrying thought.

5. Acknowledge Worry: ‘Wants to Be Seen’

During meditation or when worry appears, tell yourself, ‘This wants to be seen right now,’ allowing the feeling to be present without needing to understand its origin.

6. Ask ‘What Would Kindness Do?’

When experiencing worry, ask yourself, ‘What would kindness do right now?’ to shift your perspective towards self-compassion and hold the feeling gently.

7. Feel Aversion to Worry

Sense into and fully feel your aversion or hatred towards worrying, allowing yourself to experience this unpleasant feeling completely, which can lead to softening.

8. Identify Physical Sensations

Name and locate the physical sensations of worry in your body, such as curled toes, to connect with its bodily manifestation.

9. Be Honest About Fears with Kids

Be frank and honest with your children about your own fears, offering a great gift of openness that can help them process their own anxieties.

10. Observe Clinging to Opinions

Notice when you are clinging to your opinions, especially when in states of worry, confusion, or delusion, as this clinging can perpetuate suffering.

11. Combine Practice and Community

If you feel the tendency to isolate, sit for five minutes, and then revisit the question of who you could reach out to, embracing both individual practice and community engagement.

12. Consistently Participate in Groups

Strongly consider consistently showing up for a group of people, even online, as community provides essential support for your practice.

13. Maintain Weekly Connections

Cultivate weekly connections with a group or a friend to discuss your experiences, as ongoing dialogue is crucial for support and understanding.

14. Recall Group Support Benefits

When you feel disinclined to join a group, recall how past group experiences were supportive, as collective practice can be empowering.

15. Try Mindful Breathing

Utilize mindful breathing as a tool to work with worry, though be aware that it may not always be effective.

16. Don’t Be Discouraged by Not Knowing

Do not be discouraged if you don’t immediately know the answer to ‘What is this?’, as the act of asking the question itself is beneficial.

Your mind is like constantly whispering for stuff that you don't want. It's almost like praying for stuff you don't want, worrying.

Bart van Melik

This wants to be seen right now.

Bart van Melik

What would kindness do right now?

Bart van Melik

Deep down, I want the shitty feeling to go away. I don't want to keep thinking about this stuff.

Bart van Melik

Greed feels like a hole in the heart. Anger or hatred feels like a fire in the heart. And delusion feels like the truth.

Matthew Brensilver (quoted by DJ Cashmere)

start with friendship.

The Buddha (quoted by Bart van Melik)

if you really want to have a more wiser, kinder view on life, it only takes two things, the voice of another and careful attention and mindfulness.

The Buddha (quoted by Bart van Melik)

Working with Everyday Worry

Bart van Melik
  1. Pause and acknowledge the worry, perhaps with a sigh, saying 'here you are again'.
  2. Use the phrase 'this wants to be seen right now' to acknowledge its presence.
  3. Name the feeling and feel it in the body (e.g., 'curled up toes' as a jolt of fear/anxiety).
  4. If mindful breathing doesn't work, ask yourself 'what would kindness do right now?'.
  5. Check and feel the aversion to the worry itself, letting yourself feel the unpleasantness completely.
  6. Talk about it with other people; don't hold it all to yourself, share your fears.

Recognizing Worry When Stuck in the Mind

Bart van Melik
  1. When feeling tension and everything your mind says seems true, ask 'what is this? What's going on?' to become curious.
  2. If you don't know the answer, acknowledge 'this is what not knowing feels like' or 'confusion might feel like', as the question itself can snap you out of identification.
4am
Time when worry is especially difficult When one just needs sleep.
20 years
Duration of Bart's weekly connection with a group A consistent practice for him.
100 people
Number of people online in a group session Can strengthen a sense of not being alone.
once a month
Frequency of hybrid meetings at Community Meditation Center For local New Yorkers and online participants.
once a month
Frequency of 'inside dialogue sessions' at Community Meditation Center To engage with Dharma teachings in small groups.
once every six weeks
Frequency of in-person day-long retreats at Community Meditation Center Held in New York City.