Jen Kirkman, Comedian, Author

May 10, 2017 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Jen Kirkman, a successful stand-up comedian, discusses her long-term meditation practice and its role in managing panic disorder, depression, and anxiety. She shares how meditation helps her navigate the chaotic entertainment industry and enhances her creative process.

At a Glance
41 Insights
57m 2s Duration
17 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Jen Kirkman's Introduction to Meditation and Early Practice

Overcoming Panic Disorder Through Mindfulness and Self-Care

Exploring Diverse Meditation Practices and Preferences

Meditation Studios and Apps in New York and Los Angeles

The Impact of Meditation on Emotional Stability and Contentment

Distinguishing Happiness from Fleeting Pleasure

Motivation for Deepening Meditation Amidst Career Chaos

Jen Kirkman's Diverse Career: Comedy, Writing, and Fashion

Meditation's Role in Coping with Impermanence and Fear

Meditation as a Practice, Not Magic: Expectations vs. Reality

Jen Kirkman's Stand-Up Bit on Meditation and Road Rage

Understanding the 'Half-Life of Anger' with Meditation

The Value of 'Practicing Belief' and Embracing Doubts

Challenges with Group Meditation and Perfectionism

Family's Perspective on Meditation and Catholicism

Meditation's Positive Influence on Creativity and Comedy

Ram Dass's Wisdom: 'Walking Each Other Home'

Mindful Exercises

Practices that involve focusing intensely on a single, everyday activity, such as showering, to become aware of and interrupt negative thought patterns that can lead to anxiety or panic attacks.

Body Scan Meditation

A meditation technique where attention is systematically moved through different parts of the body, noticing sensations without judgment, often used for relaxation, to aid sleep, or to ground oneself when feeling overwhelmed.

Loving Kindness Meditation

A practice focused on cultivating compassion by deliberately sending good wishes and positive intentions to oneself, loved ones, neutral individuals, and even those one dislikes, to strengthen the 'compassion muscle'.

Mantra Meditation (Kundalini)

A meditation form that involves repeating a specific word or phrase, often out loud, to focus the mind and reduce the influx of distracting thoughts, thereby enhancing concentration.

Happiness vs. Pleasure

Happiness is described as a deeper state of contentment, peace of mind, and simple appreciation for existence, distinct from the fleeting 'hits' of pleasure or excitement sought through external stimuli like food, drinks, or entertainment.

Half-Life of Anger

A concept suggesting that meditation can significantly shorten the duration and intensity of anger, reducing the time it takes for the emotion to dissipate and minimizing its potential for prolonged negative impact.

Practicing Belief

The idea that having doubts about one's spiritual or personal practices is a natural and even beneficial part of the journey, encouraging continued engagement and exploration rather than abandoning the practice due to uncertainty.

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How can meditation help someone with panic disorder?

Meditation, through mindful exercises and self-care, can help individuals become aware of negative thought patterns that trigger panic attacks, enabling them to talk themselves out of attacks or reduce their severity.

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Is it acceptable to avoid focusing on breathing during meditation if it causes anxiety?

Yes, it is not uncommon for focusing on the breath to induce anxiety; alternative practices like body scans or loving-kindness meditation offer effective options for those who find breath-focused meditation challenging.

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Do I need to commit to one specific type of meditation practice?

No, it's not 'cheating' to use a variety of meditation styles; having a range of options allows for flexibility and can make it easier to maintain a consistent daily practice.

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Can meditation negatively impact a comedian's ability to be judgmental or funny?

No, meditation can actually enhance comedic art by allowing one to process experiences and then act out or report on them from a calmer, more detached perspective, rather than performing from a place of raw, unchanneled anger or unhappiness.

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Does meditation lead to perfection or the elimination of all negative emotions?

No, meditation is a practice that doesn't promise perfection; it can significantly reduce the 'half-life' of negative emotions like anger, meaning they dissipate much faster, but it doesn't prevent them from arising.

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How does meditation influence one's emotional state and reaction to external events?

Meditation can help foster an even-keeled internal state, making one less susceptible to being overwhelmed or 'buoyed' by external circumstances and reducing the tendency to chase fleeting pleasures or react strongly to minor details.

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Can meditation be integrated with other therapeutic methods?

Yes, there is a recognized approach called Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT) that combines mindfulness meditation with cognitive behavioral therapy, indicating their compatibility and potential for combined benefits.

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What is the purpose of prayer for someone who doesn't believe in a specific God?

Prayer can serve as a mental exercise to get out of oneself, articulate desires, and release the need for control, helping to clear the mind and open up to unexpected guidance or outcomes from the 'universe' or 'whatever'.

1. Release Meditation Perfectionism

Let go of the expectation of perfection in meditation; understand that it’s a practice, and you won’t instantly uproot deeply ingrained conditioning.

2. Embrace Doubt in Practice

View doubt as a natural and acceptable part of any practice, including meditation or belief systems, and use it as a signal to continue rather than stop.

3. Practice Meditation Self-Compassion

When you get lost or distracted during meditation, give yourself a break and practice self-compassion rather than striving for perfection or ‘winning’.

4. Embrace Shared Humanity Mindset

Adopt the perspective that ‘we’re all just walking each other home,’ fostering compassion and reducing judgment towards others by recognizing shared humanity and impermanence.

5. Commit to Daily Meditation

Commit to meditating every day, even if the practice varies, as consistent engagement builds a ‘bank’ of resilience that helps in unexpected situations.

6. Manage Meditation Expectations

Understand that meditation is not a silver bullet; you will still experience agitation and react to situations, but the duration and intensity of negative emotions may decrease.

7. Shorten Anger’s Half-Life

Aim to reduce the ‘half-life’ of anger through meditation, recognizing that shorter bursts of anger cause significantly less damage than prolonged periods.

8. Cultivate Opinion Neutrality

Adopt a neutral stance regarding what others think of you, avoiding assumptions of dislike and not caring about others’ potential negative opinions.

9. Detach from External Impact

Practice detaching from external events and intellectual anger, preventing them from deeply affecting your emotional state or ‘soul’.

10. Reduce Pleasure-Seeking for Mood

Stop using food, coffee, or drinks to change your emotional state, instead aiming for contentment and calm without the expectation that external pleasures will make you feel better.

11. Prioritize Thoroughbred Self-Care

Prioritize self-care, including getting enough sleep and exercise, to protect against panic attacks and reduce proneness to freak out when in a weakened emotional or physical state.

12. Prevent Panic with Self-Care

Avoid being overtired or over-caffeinated, as these physical states can make one more prone to panic attacks.

13. Explore Meditation Alternatives

If focusing on breath causes anxiety, try body scan meditation (feeling sensations throughout the body) or loving-kindness meditation (sending good vibes, even to those you dislike, to build compassion).

14. Personalize Mantra Breathing

When meditating, breathe in and out with personalized mantras, such as ‘I am loved,’ ‘I am soothed,’ ‘I trust the process,’ or ‘breathe in God, breathe out [your name],’ to foster compassion, trust, or a sense of not being in control.

15. Practice Out-Loud Mantras

If you struggle with intrusive thoughts during meditation, try repeating a mantra out loud to help focus your mind and reduce mental chatter.

16. Limit Meditation Options

Maintain a small, manageable repertoire of 1-4 meditation techniques to choose from daily, rather than overwhelming yourself with too many options.

17. Find Preferred Meditation Teacher

Identify a meditation teacher whose voice and style you resonate with, and then utilize their resources for a more effective practice.

18. Clear Morning Mind Chatter

Meditate in the morning to clear out desires, disappointments, and obsessions that arise upon waking, preparing your mind for the day.

19. Morning Singing Bowl Meditation

Meditate first thing in the morning, even before getting out of bed, using loud Tibetan singing bowls (found on YouTube) to create a conducive environment.

20. Nightly Body Scan for Sleep

Perform a body scan meditation before bed to aid in falling asleep.

21. Use Body Scan for Sadness

Employ body scan meditation not just for sleep, but also when feeling sad, as it can help bring you into your body and alleviate emotional distress.

22. Practice Mindful Showering

Practice mindfulness by focusing entirely on the present action, such as taking a shower and noticing the soap and lathering, to become aware of negative thought patterns.

23. Attend Group Meditation

Supplement home practice by attending group meditation classes (e.g., 3 times a week) if you find it difficult to do certain types of mindfulness meditation alone.

24. Select Guided Meditations Wisely

Use guided meditations when in a neutral state or for general appreciation, but be mindful of voice preferences, as some voices can be distracting.

25. Acknowledge Panic Attacks

When a panic attack starts, acknowledge it by saying ‘ugh, here we go’ to reduce its duration.

26. Carry Panic Emergency Meds

Carry dissolvable Klonopin for panic attacks, but use it only if necessary, as the mere presence of the medication can sometimes help prevent a full-blown attack.

27. Combine Meditation & Medicine

Integrate meditation (e.g., centering prayer, rosary) with conventional medical treatments (like taking pills for high blood pressure) as a holistic approach to health.

28. Meditate for Stability Amidst Chaos

Re-engage with meditation to cultivate stability and a sense of personal agency, especially during periods of intense work or life fluctuations.

29. Develop Emotional Resilience

Cultivate a mindset where external events, especially in a volatile industry, do not deeply affect your emotional state or self-esteem.

30. Meditate for Impermanence Fear

Use meditation to manage existential fears like the fear of dying, which can also indirectly help cope with the impermanence of career or other life aspects.

31. Daily Quiet Self-Reflection

Dedicate time daily to quiet reflection to stay in touch with your evolving desires and goals, especially when external demands are high.

32. Listen to Inner Creative Self

Trust and listen to your inner self, as this practice can lead to new creative ideas and insights.

33. Process Emotions Before Creating

Fully process difficult emotions and life experiences before attempting to channel them into creative work, allowing for a more effective and less raw performance.

34. Connoisseur of Neuroses

Through meditation, become intimately aware of your neuroses and ‘craziness’ without being consumed by them, enabling you to use them creatively (e.g., in comedy) without appearing unstable.

35. Self-Care Through Clothing

Dress up in a way that makes you feel good and expresses your authentic self, even for everyday activities or work, as a form of positive self-care.

36. Focus on Core Strengths

Identify your core strengths and talents, and consistently focus your efforts on developing and utilizing them.

37. Pursue “Lottery” Opportunities

Engage in ’lottery’ activities (e.g., pitching shows for agents) that might not be your ultimate passion but are necessary for career maintenance, while simultaneously pursuing what you truly love.

38. Learn from Losing Control

When you lose your temper or get overly judgmental, reflect on the experience to learn and adjust future actions or expectations, rather than dwelling on the imperfection.

39. Pray for Guidance & Acceptance

If you feel stuck or overly attached to a specific outcome, pray (even without a specific belief in a deity) to articulate your desires, release control, and open yourself to what is truly right for you.

40. Adopt “Vessel for Talent” Mindset

Before performing or engaging in creative work, view yourself as a ‘vessel for talent’ rather than the sole source, which can alleviate pressure and foster a sense of being guided.

41. Release Need to Define Everything

Let go of the need to definitively decide or define everything, especially abstract concepts, as it often doesn’t matter what you think and can free up mental energy.

I always think of body scan as something I should do if I'm having trouble sleeping but body scan, one time I used it when I was really sad and it brought me into my body. It was actually the perfect thing to do instead of thinking of doing one of those send kindness to someone that's hurt me or that kind of thing.

Jen Kirkman

I don't get hits of pleasure anymore. Nothing works, if that makes sense. And so – and that's a good thing for me because I don't use food or a coffee or a drink or anything to change my state.

Jen Kirkman

I meditated today, Mother Effer.

Jen Kirkman

You don't uproot your neuroses, but you become a connoisseur of them.

Dan Harris

We're all just walking each other home.

Jen Kirkman

Jen Kirkman's Morning Meditation Routine

Jen Kirkman
  1. Put on loud Tibetan singing bowls (found on YouTube).
  2. Sit cross-legged (sometimes in bed if not yet out of it, as the first thing upon waking).
  3. Breathe in and think a subtle mantra (e.g., 'I am loved,' 'I am soothed,' 'I trust the process,' or a concept like 'God' / 'I am not running the show today').
  4. Breathe out and think a corresponding thought (e.g., 'I am soothed,' or your name like 'Jen').

Mindful Shower Exercise (for Panic Disorder)

Jen Kirkman (describing her therapist's advice)
  1. Take a shower.
  2. Only think about what you are doing in that exact moment (e.g., 'This is the soap,' 'Now I'm lathering it').

Prayer for Guidance (Jen Kirkman's Method)

Jen Kirkman
  1. Get on your knees.
  2. State your current 'great idea' or desire to the universe/God/whatever concept you use.
  3. Ask the universe/God to work with that idea and return with what you should be doing.
  4. Commit to doing what is revealed and ask to be made to want what is truly right for you.
20 years ago
Years Jen Kirkman first started meditating She went in and out of practice initially.
3 years
Years Jen Kirkman has been meditating every day This is her consistent daily practice.
3 times a week
Frequency Jen Kirkman attends meditation classes If she doesn't meditate first thing in the morning.
Half hour, 45 minutes
Typical duration of meditation classes Jen attends Length of classes at places like Mindful and DFL.
3
Number of Mindful and DFL meditation studios in New York Owned by Lodro Winsler.
4 years
Years Jen Kirkman lived in New York (98-02) During which she felt like a 'buoy in the water' emotionally.
5 years ago
Approximate time Jen Kirkman started getting more serious about meditation Due to overwhelming anger and busyness from her career.
2013
Release year of Jen Kirkman's book 'I Can Barely Take Care of Myself' Her first book.
Last year
Release year of Jen Kirkman's book 'I Know What I'm Doing and Other Lies I Tell Myself' Paperback version recently released.
10 years
Duration Jen Kirkman experienced career 'bottoming out' After initial gigs and in the middle of her career.
500-700 people
Current typical audience size for Jen Kirkman's tours She desires larger audiences.
5,000 people
Desired audience size for Jen Kirkman's stand-up shows Her goal for future tours.
79
Age of Jen Kirkman's mother Mentioned in context of high blood pressure and meditation.