Jon Kabat-Zinn, Creator of Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction

May 3, 2017 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Jon Kabat-Zinn, founder of MBSR, discusses how he secularized Buddhist meditation for scientific study and widespread adoption. He defines mindfulness as purposeful, non-judgmental awareness in the present moment, emphasizing its power to transform lives and foster healing.

At a Glance
23 Insights
59m 59s Duration
17 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Jon Kabat-Zinn and MBSR's Impact

Jon Kabat-Zinn's Early Life and Scientific-Artistic Curiosity

Discovery of Zen Meditation and the Power of Awareness

Personal Journey to Marry Meditation with Science

The Genesis of Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR)

MBSR's Role in Healthcare and Patient Empowerment

Mindfulness as Healing: Coming to Terms with Actuality

Scientific Evidence for Mindfulness: Telomeres and Brain Plasticity

Defining Mindfulness: Awareness, Relationality, and Non-Judgment

The Practice of Noticing Thoughts and Cultivating Awareness

Understanding Non-Duality: Observer and Observed

Applying Mindfulness to Political Division and Interconnectedness

Mindfulness as a Necessity for Human Evolution

The Integration of Mindfulness and Heartfulness

Reclaiming the "Sacred" in Mindfulness and Everyday Life

Mindfulness in Daily Life and High-Performance Contexts

Living Deliberately: Life Before Death

Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR)

A secular, 8-week standardized protocol developed by Jon Kabat-Zinn that strips Buddhist meditation of its metaphysical claims and religious jargon, allowing for scientific study of its psychological and physiological effects. It was created to help hospital patients suffering from conditions not fully addressed by conventional medicine.

Awareness (in mindfulness)

A form of intelligence that is bigger than thought and cognition, allowing one to hold any thought or emotion without being consumed by it. It involves paying attention on purpose, in the present moment, non-judgmentally, and is considered the heart of mindfulness.

Dukkha

A Buddhist term for suffering, anguish, or the human condition, which served as a motivation for Jon Kabat-Zinn to bring mindfulness into hospitals where people were experiencing profound suffering.

Healing (Mindfulness perspective)

Defined as coming to terms with things as they are, rather than fixing or cutting them out. It's an active process of recognizing the self-healing capacity of the organism, leading to transformation and a different relationship with unwanted experiences.

Non-Duality

The concept that fundamental separations, such as between observer and observed, or self and other, are ultimately not accurate representations of reality. In mindfulness, this means recognizing an underlying unity and interconnectedness, moving beyond an "us versus them" mentality.

Homo sapiens sapiens (redefined)

Jon Kabat-Zinn reinterprets this species name to mean "the species that knows and knows that it knows," not just cognitively but through awareness and meta-awareness. He suggests humanity is still growing into this precocious name by cultivating wakefulness and intimacy with awareness.

Heartfulness

The inherent element of kindness and self-compassion that is completely woven into the practice of attending in mindfulness. In many Asian languages, the word for mind and heart are the same, indicating that true mindfulness includes this compassionate dimension.

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How did Jon Kabat-Zinn first get into meditation?

He attended a talk on "The Three Pillars of Zen" by Philip Kaplow at MIT in 1965 when he was 21, which resonated deeply with his lifelong curiosity about reconciling science and art, leading him to start meditating that day.

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What is the core idea behind Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR)?

MBSR was created to bring secular mindfulness practices into hospitals to help patients suffering from conditions that conventional medicine couldn't fully address, empowering them to engage as participants in their own health and well-being.

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What is the scientific basis for mindfulness's benefits?

Research shows that mindfulness practice can reduce the degradation of telomeres (DNA subunits at chromosome ends, linked to longevity) and enhance functional connectivity in the brain, improving emotional regulation, learning, and executive functioning.

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How does Jon Kabat-Zinn define mindfulness?

Mindfulness is defined as "the awareness that arises from paying attention on purpose in the present moment nonjudgmentally," emphasizing intentional, moment-to-moment attention across all senses, while suspending evaluative judgments.

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How does one begin to practice mindfulness?

A common starting point is to direct attention to the body breathing, such as the nostrils or belly, and ride the waves of the breath. The discipline comes from noticing when the mind gets carried away by thoughts and gently returning attention to the breath.

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What does "non-duality" mean in the context of mindfulness?

Non-duality refers to recognizing the interconnectedness of all things and transcending artificial separations like "observer and observed" or "self and other." It means seeing that reality is a seamless whole, fostering love and wisdom.

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Why does Jon Kabat-Zinn prefer "mainstream" over "secular" for mindfulness?

He avoids "secular" because it creates a dualism with "sacred," and he believes mindfulness, like love or the doctor-patient relationship, has a sacred quality that represents a universal human wisdom and reverence, which he doesn't want to abandon.

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How can mindfulness be applied to challenging situations like political division?

Mindfulness encourages recognizing that one may not have all the answers and that thinking alone won't resolve complex issues. It promotes deeper intelligences, multiple voices, and a collective enterprise of learning and growing, moving beyond "us vs. them" tribalism.

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Is mindfulness just for stress reduction or personal well-being?

No, while it helps with stress and pain, mindfulness is also about recognizing the deep structure of reality, the interconnectedness of everything, and cultivating wisdom. It's a way of being that can transform one's relationship with life, others, and the world.

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Can mindfulness be practiced in everyday activities?

Yes, the real meditation practice is how one lives life moment by moment, whether walking, driving, running, or interacting with family. It means being fully present and engaged in the current activity rather than multitasking or being distracted.

1. Practice Mindfulness Daily

Cultivate awareness by paying attention on purpose, in the present moment, and nonjudgmentally, using your senses (touch, sight, hearing, taste, smell) to connect with experience.

2. Observe Your Breath

Practice directing your attention to your body breathing, feeling the movement of your belly or air at your nostrils, and riding the waves of your breath with full awareness, noticing when your mind wanders.

3. Live Mindfully Moment-to-Moment

Understand that your true meditation practice is how you live your life moment by moment, being fully present in everyday actions like greeting family or hugging children, rather than multitasking or being distracted.

4. Integrate Kindness & Compassion

Understand that mindfulness inherently includes elements of kindness and self-compassion, as the words for mind and heart are often the same in Asian languages, making it a practice of ‘heartfulness’.

5. Abandon Search for ‘Special State’

Understand that meditation is not about achieving a single, special state or permanent enlightenment; instead, recognize that every experience is inherently special.

6. Recognize Constant Thinking

Become aware that your mind is constantly thinking, which is a powerful realization that can free you from being a prisoner of your thoughts and emotional reactivity.

7. Suspend Judgment

Practice suspending your habitual judgments and evaluations of everything and everyone, including not judging yourself for being judgmental, to experience things more directly.

8. Befriend Unwanted Experiences

Turn towards and befriend what you most want to avoid or cut out, as there is transformative and healing potential in accepting the actuality of things, even if you don’t like them.

9. Define Healing as Acceptance

Understand healing as ‘coming to terms with things as they are,’ recognizing that you are a self-healing organism, which differs from merely fixing problems in a medical sense.

10. Radically Accept Yourself

Radically accept yourself, including your imperfections, as a starting point for growth, loving the unfolding of life as a big adventure.

11. Inquire ‘Who Am I?’

Engage in self-inquiry by repeatedly asking ‘Who am I really? What am I really?’ without trying to think your way to an answer, but rather by opening and listening.

12. Organize Life Around Core Values

Structure your life around what is deepest, best, and most beautiful within yourself to avoid being lost in thought, stressed, and merely running through moments instead of inhabiting them.

13. Actively Participate in Your Health

Engage as an active participant in your own journey towards greater health and well-being, rather than passively relying solely on external medical interventions.

14. Avoid Us vs. Them Mentality

Consciously avoid falling into an ‘us versus them’ mentality, especially in social and political contexts, to prevent tribalism and recognize the underlying unity of all beings.

15. Befriend Others, Avoid ‘Othering’

Learn to befriend those who are different from you and avoid the practice of ‘othering’ people, recognizing our shared humanity and genetic similarity.

16. Wake Up to Others’ Suffering

Practice mindfulness to become aware of and wake up to the suffering of others, especially those who are marginalized or experience systemic injustices, to foster greater empathy.

17. Acknowledge Inner Capacity for Harm

Own the fact that you, like all humans, are capable of violence or harm under certain conditions, as this self-awareness is part of healing and changes how you conduct your life.

18. Practice ‘Not Knowing’

Approach complex problems by recognizing that you may not know the answers and that thinking alone might not resolve them, opening space for deeper intelligences and collective learning.

19. Act with Deepest Values

Show up, stand up, and act in alignment with your deepest values, engaging in dialogue with those who hold different perspectives to collectively shape emergent solutions.

20. Embrace Life’s Curriculum

Accept that ‘whatever arises’ in any given moment is the curriculum for that moment, rather than denying or resisting it, as this is fundamental to meditation practice and life.

21. Tune In, Don’t Tune Out

When engaging in activities like exercise or sports, tune in to the experience rather than tuning out or distracting yourself, as this enhances performance and presence.

22. Live Deliberately

Strive to live deliberately, focusing on the essential facts of life and learning from them, to ensure that you fully experience life before you die, as advocated by Thoreau.

23. Practice Hatha Yoga

Engage in Hatha yoga, potentially alongside meditation, as it can be transformative for one’s life.

This is what I've been looking for my whole 21 years, my whole life.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

What looks a lot like absolutely nothing when we're talking about wakefulness or awareness or this form of human capacity or intelligence, that it turns out it may look like much ado about nothing. But it turns out to be more like much ado about what looks like almost nothing and turns out to be just about everything.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

Healing is coming to terms with things as they are. It's very different from fixing in the medical model.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

The beauty of it is that rather than looking for some special experience, it's the flipping of that and recognizing that everything you're experiencing is unbelievably special.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

My working definition or what I call operational definition of mindfulness is the awareness that arises from paying attention on purpose in the present moment nonjudgmentally.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

People don't know that they're thinking all the time. That's the first discovery when you get your butt on a cushion or a chair and you start to meditate.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

We're the species that knows and knows that it knows in the sense of not cognition and metacognition but awareness and meta-awareness.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

If you look into your own mind, you're going to see a rapist and a killer.

Stephen Batchelor (quoted by Jon Kabat-Zinn)

I'm not concerned with life after death. I'm concerned with whether there's life before death.

Jon Kabat-Zinn

Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) Program

Jon Kabat-Zinn
  1. Teach meditation in a fully secular way, stripping out metaphysical claims and religious jargon.
  2. Follow an 8-week standardized protocol.
  3. Focus on training medical patients to do something for themselves based on deep meditative practices.
  4. Allow for scientific study of psychological and physiological changes.

Basic Mindfulness Practice

Jon Kabat-Zinn
  1. Sit down on a cushion or chair.
  2. Direct attention to a chosen place in the body (e.g., tip of nostrils, belly).
  3. Feel the body breathing and ride on the waves of the breath with full awareness.
  4. Notice when the mind gets distracted by thoughts (e.g., fantasy, memory, worry).
  5. Gently return attention to the breath, recognizing the act of thinking itself.
1965
Year Jon Kabat-Zinn attended Philip Kaplow's Zen talk Jon Kabat-Zinn was 21 years old at the time.
6 months
Duration of rigorous meditative sitting for Philip Kaplow Resulted in all his psychosomatic symptoms clearing up.
10 years
Years Jon Kabat-Zinn spent searching for his 'job on the planet' After getting his PhD, before the insight to create MBSR.
1979
Year Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) was created Based on an insight Jon Kabat-Zinn had on a mindfulness retreat.
38 years
Years since MBSR's creation As of the podcast recording.
2009
Year Elizabeth Blackburn won Nobel Prize for telomere research For work related to stress degrading telomeres and mindfulness potentially reversing this.
100 years
Age of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity From 1916 to 2016, as mentioned in the context of scientific awareness.
100th or 1000th the width of an electron
Sensitivity of observatories detecting gravity waves Measured from gigantic black holes colliding billions of years ago.
2,000 miles
Distance between gravity wave observatories Measured the same fluctuation in two places simultaneously.
50 percent
Divorce rate Cited as a consequence of not learning and growing in relationships.
400-600 generations
Approximate number of human generations since the last ice age Context for humanity's relatively short time to 'grow into' its name.
99.99%
Genetic similarity among humans Highlighting the commonality despite perceived differences.
10 percent or 1 percent
Potential competitive edge from mindfulness for athletes Figure pulled out of the air to illustrate the motivation for competitive people to adopt mindfulness.