Jonathan Haidt on: The Upside of Striving, How to Build a Stronger Mind, And What to Do with Ideas You Hate

Feb 27, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist from NYU, discusses using the elephant and rider metaphor to understand the mind, taming the unconscious with Stoic and Buddhist practices, and the impact of social media on mental health and democracy. He also explores the value of striving and engaging with challenging ideas.

At a Glance
19 Insights
53m 26s Duration
14 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Jonathan Haidt and Episode Themes

The Elephant and Rider Metaphor: Mind's Conflicting Parts

Modalities for Achieving Harmony Between Mind's Parts

Stoic Wisdom for Managing Emotions and Perceptions

Applying Stoicism and CBT in a Complex World

Social Media's Impact on Individual Minds and Democracy

The 'Babel' Metaphor and Democratization of Intimidation

Moral Foundations Theory and Understanding Political Divides

Optimism and Pessimism for Democracy's Future

Defense of Striving and Work-Life Happiness

Adversity, Anti-Fragility, and Personal Growth

Social Media's Role in the Teen Mental Health Crisis

The 'Wokeism' Anomaly and Girls' Social Media Use

Participating Joyfully in the Sorrows of the World

Elephant and Rider Metaphor

This metaphor describes the mind as divided into a small rider (our conscious reason, executive function) atop a large elephant (our unconscious, intuitive processes, and emotions). The elephant is largely in control, and the rider often rationalizes its actions. Happiness and effective living come from achieving harmony between these two parts, rather than the rider trying to dominate the elephant.

Dual Process Theories

A major theme in psychology suggesting that our brains perform multiple things simultaneously, often like a committee with conflicting parts. This theoretical framework underpins the elephant and rider metaphor, explaining how different mental processes can operate in parallel and sometimes in opposition.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)

A psychotherapeutic technique that originated from Stoic teachings, focused on identifying and correcting common patterns of distorted thought, such as binary thinking, catastrophizing, or overgeneralizing. By labeling these erroneous thoughts, individuals can correct them and manage their emotional responses more effectively.

Moral Foundations Theory

A theory developed by Jonathan Haidt and colleagues, which posits that morality varies across cultures based on different 'taste buds' or moral intuitions, including care, fairness, liberty, loyalty, authority, and sanctity. Understanding these diverse moral foundations helps explain political divides and fosters empathy across different viewpoints.

Democratization of Intimidation

A phenomenon, particularly amplified by social media, where anyone can harass or intimidate others, often anonymously and without accountability or due process. This creates an environment where people 'walk on eggshells,' leading to self-censorship and a loss of viewpoint diversity within institutions, making them 'structurally stupid.'

Anti-fragility

The concept that certain systems, like the human immune system or children's development, do not merely resist damage but actually grow stronger when exposed to stress, disorder, or negative experiences. Protecting these systems from normal adversity can weaken them, making them more vulnerable.

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What is the key to happiness according to the 'happiness hypothesis'?

The key to happiness is achieving harmony between the conscious mind (rider) and the unconscious mind (elephant), rather than trying to force the rider to control the elephant. This involves getting the mind's conflicting parts to work together in a better way.

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How can one train the 'elephant' (unconscious mind)?

The elephant, like an animal, learns by gradual reinforcement. Techniques such as meditation, self-hypnosis, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) are powerful ways to train the elephant gradually, helping to correct automatic erroneous thoughts.

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What is the Stoic approach to managing emotions and perceptions?

The Stoic approach focuses on not letting the world trigger negative emotions, but rather controlling one's appraisals of things. As Epictetus said, 'it is not things that disturb us, but our appraisals of them,' encouraging reappraisal to set oneself on a better course.

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Should adults avoid social media for happiness?

Not necessarily, as social media can be a useful tool for work or finding things to read. However, adults should be careful, especially with platforms designed to hook users and generate content for advertisers, as these can negatively impact one's mental state.

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What is the impact of social media on democracy?

Social media has led to the 'democratization of intimidation,' allowing anonymous harassment and accusations without accountability. This fosters fear, self-censorship, and a loss of viewpoint diversity within institutions, making them 'structurally stupid' and threatening stable democracy.

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Why do we struggle to see our own flaws and irrationality?

Humans evolved to be hypocrites, constantly striving to enhance social reputation and prestige. We are adept at finding flaws in others and defending ourselves, but cunningly conceal our own faults, making self-awareness a challenge.

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Is striving for external achievements compatible with happiness?

Yes, for many in Western societies, striving to make a mark on the world, getting relationships right, and finding work that uses one's strengths can lead to flourishing. The key is to strive without losing perspective or allowing external events to completely control one's mood.

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Is adversity good or bad for us?

Generally, adversity is good for us, as it is essential for growth and strengthening, particularly social adversity that is not too severe or prolonged. However, significant adversity in early childhood can leave lasting scars.

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Why are current generations of young people experiencing a decline in mental health?

The decline is attributed to a combination of overprotection, which deprives young people of normal adversity, and widespread social media use (especially visual, asynchronous platforms like Instagram for girls), leading to increased loneliness, insecurity, and mental health issues.

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How can individuals navigate turbulent, tribalized, and polarized times cheerfully?

Joseph Campbell suggests to 'participate joyfully in the sorrows of the world,' acknowledging that while global sorrows cannot be cured, one can choose to live in joy and embrace life, even during difficult and temporary societal cycles.

1. Cultivate Internal Harmony

Strive for a better harmony between your rational mind (the ‘rider’) and your intuitive, emotional processes (the ’elephant’), rather than viewing your rational mind as solely in control or trying to force the ’elephant’ to obey. The goal is for these parts to work together effectively.

2. Recognize Your Own Hypocrisy

Cultivate humility by understanding that all humans, including yourself, are prone to hypocrisy and struggle to discern truth. Admitting your flaws and being honest about them can paradoxically lead to long-term benefits and personal growth.

3. Embrace Anti-Fragility for Growth

Understand that you are anti-fragile, meaning you grow stronger through exposure to stress and challenges. Intentionally take risks and put yourself out there, as this is how you learn, grow, and become more resilient.

4. Train Your Elephant Mind

Utilize practices like meditation, self-hypnosis, and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) to gradually train your intuitive and emotional ’elephant’ mind. These methods help you catch and correct automatic, erroneous thoughts and gain control over your internal responses.

5. Adopt Stoic Mental Practices

Implement Stoic principles to prevent external events from triggering negative emotions and to gain control over your perceptions. Practice reappraising situations to redirect your mental course positively, rather than reacting with immediate negativity.

6. Establish Stoic Routines

Create consistent morning and evening routines that involve reading great thinkers and meditations. This practice helps to set and maintain a proper mental frame, preparing you for the day and allowing for reflective closure.

7. Protect Your Mind from Online Criticism

Be highly selective about the content you consume on social media and protect your mind from the influence of anonymous or unimportant critics. Prevent their comments from causing confusion or upset, or significantly reduce time on platforms that expose you to such negativity.

8. Use Social Media as a Tool

Approach social media as a tool to achieve specific goals, rather than allowing it to control your attention or emotional state. Be wary of platforms designed to hook users for advertising, as these models can be detrimental to well-being.

9. Seek Out Contrary Viewpoints

Actively expose yourself to ideas and writings from opposing viewpoints, especially in politics or complex issues. This practice broadens your understanding, improves your reasoning, and helps you become smarter faster.

10. Understand Moral Foundations

Learn about Moral Foundations Theory to understand how different political temperaments and upbringings lead to varying moral intuitions. This knowledge fosters empathy across tribal divides by explaining why others see things differently.

11. Find Strengths-Aligned Work

Seek out work that aligns with and utilizes your natural strengths, as this significantly increases job satisfaction and overall happiness. Strive to arrange your life so you have a sense of control and efficacy over what you do in your career.

12. Cultivate Work Relationships

Build and maintain friendships at work, as having good relationships with colleagues is a significant contributor to happiness in the workplace. Being embedded in a community, including your work community, is crucial for well-being.

13. Practice the Five-Minute Journal

Incorporate a structured journal, such as the Five-Minute Journal, into your daily routine. This guides your morning and evening reflections, helping to foster a positive mental frame and consistent self-awareness.

14. Apply Atomic Habits for Change

Apply principles from ‘Atomic Habits’ by identifying desired personal changes and breaking them into small, manageable steps. Set up reinforcements to support these small steps, making it easier to build new habits and achieve self-change.

15. Utilize an Accountability Partner

Partner with an accountability partner and establish regular check-ins, such as midweek, to discuss your progress on committed goals. This external accountability helps overcome excuses and accelerates progress toward desired changes.

16. Welcome Adversity for Development

Recognize that appropriate adversity is necessary for personal growth and strengthening. Avoid overprotecting yourself or others from normal challenges, as this can hinder the development of resilience and mental fortitude.

17. Participate Joyfully in Sorrows

Adopt a mindset of joyful participation in the world’s sorrows, choosing to embrace life fully and maintain joy despite challenges. This ‘warrior’s approach’ offers guidance for living engaged and reasonably happy lives during tumultuous times.

18. Avoid Overprotection of Children

Avoid vastly overprotecting children from normal adversity, as this can deprive them of experiences necessary for developing resilience and social skills. Exposure to minor challenges helps them learn how to deal with people and the world.

19. Limit Social Media for Under 16s

Prevent individuals under 16 from using any social media platforms where they post and await comments. This is crucial due to the significant negative impact such platforms have on teen mental health, particularly for girls.

The things you think about determine the quality of your mind. Your soul takes on the color of your thoughts. Color it with a run of thoughts like these. Anywhere you can lead your life, you can lead a good one.

Marcus Aurelius (quoted by Jonathan Haidt)

If your body was turned over to just anyone, you would doubtless take exception. Why aren't you ashamed that you've made your mind vulnerable to anyone who happens to criticize you so that it automatically becomes confused and upset?

Marcus Aurelius (quoted by Jonathan Haidt)

It is not things that disturb us, but are appraisals of them.

Epictetus (quoted by Jonathan Haidt)

It's easy to see the faults of others, but difficult to see one's own faults. One shows the faults of others like chaff winnowed in the wind, but one conceals one's own faults as a cunning gambler conceals his dice.

Buddha (quoted by Jonathan Haidt)

The unlived life is not worth examining.

Jonathan Haidt

The lesson is, participate joyfully in the sorrows of the world. We cannot cure the world of sorrows, but we can choose to live in joy. The warrior's approach is to say yes to life, yay to it all.

Joseph Campbell (quoted by Jonathan Haidt)

Stoic Morning and Evening Routine for Mental Frame

Jonathan Haidt
  1. Read great thinkers.
  2. Read meditations on life.
  3. Start your day off with the proper mental frame.
  4. End your day with the proper mental frame.

Self-Change for Smarter, Stronger, Happier (Work, Wisdom, and Happiness Course)

Jonathan Haidt
  1. Identify the specific change you want to make in yourself.
  2. Read the opening chapters of 'Atomic Habits' to understand principles of self-change, such as setting up reinforcements and taking small steps.
  3. Establish an accountability partner from the class to check in with regularly (e.g., weekly) to report on your progress and commitments.
1995
Year Jonathan Haidt started as a professor At the University of Virginia
30s
Jonathan Haidt's age when dating and developing the elephant/rider metaphor When writing 'The Happiness Hypothesis'
2014
Year 'something weird' changed in the social universe, hitting campuses first Marking a shift in morality and social dynamics
50s
Jonathan Haidt's age when he started getting into CBT After his friend Greg Lukianoff's experience with depression
2017
Year Jonathan Haidt started reading Marcus Aurelius During the first year of Donald Trump's presidency
1
Number of times Stoics were discussed on the podcast prior to this episode According to Dan Harris
16
Recommended minimum age for social media use where posting and commenting occurs Based on evidence regarding teen mental health crisis
1963
Jonathan Haidt's birth year Context for his observations on societal changes
1995
Year parental time spent with children significantly increased Marking a shift in parenting styles and overprotection
50%
Percentage increase in depression rates for girls Within two years (2012-2014/2015) after widespread social media adoption
1996 and later
Birth year for Gen Z The generation most affected by overprotection and social media
80 to 100 years
Approximate duration of historical cycles when societal structures break and rebuild Leading to periods of crisis and renewal
2020-2025
Predicted peak year of current societal crisis According to several historical cycle theories
50 years
Period of incredible progress on social justice issues From 1963 to 2013