Meditation Party: The "Sh*t Is Fertilizer" Edition | Sebene Selassie & Jeff Warren

Jan 25, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dan Harris, Sebene Selassie (writer, teacher, immigrant-weirdo), and Jeff Warren (writer, meditation teacher) launch "Meditation Party," an experimental series exploring meditation's community aspect, sharing candidly about their practices and life challenges, including cancer and divorce.

At a Glance
18 Insights
1h 9m Duration
10 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introducing the 'Meditation Party' Concept

The Power of Community (Sangha) in Meditation

Authenticity and Vulnerability in Teaching and Practice

Sebene Selassie's Journey Through Cancer and Divorce

Revisiting Approaches to Pain Meditation

The Transformative Practice of Gratitude

Listener Question: The Concept of Manifestation

Listener Question: Dealing with Revenge and Relationship Endings

Jeff Warren's 'Kool-Aid': Sci-Fi, Fantasy, and Neurodiversity

Dan Harris's 'Kool-Aid': Discovering the Joy of Sports

Three Jewels of Practice

In Buddhism, these are the Buddha (representing the possibility of mind training), the Dharma (the teachings), and the Sangha (the community of meditators). The Sangha highlights the importance of meditating with others or having a community to normalize the practice.

Collective Effervescence

A concept by philosopher-psychologist Emil Durkheim, describing a powerful aspect of the human experience where people feel a sense of shared energy and connection in a group. Humans are inherently built for this collective experience, which has been crucial for species survival.

Preaching from Scars, Not Wounds

A concept by radical pastor Nadia Boltz-Weber, suggesting that when sharing personal struggles, it's more effective and less 'messy' to share from a place of healing and perspective (scars) rather than from raw, current pain (wounds). This allows for more perspective and less emotional contagion.

Non-attachment to Results

A Buddhist principle that encourages having healthy desires and goals while recognizing that one cannot control outcomes due to life's impermanence. It involves doing one's best with intentions but not driving oneself crazy by being overly attached to specific results.

Mudita

A Buddhist concept referring to sympathetic joy or appreciative joy. It is the practice of feeling happiness for the joy and success of others, even when facing personal difficulties, and can be a powerful tool for shifting negative emotional patterns.

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Why is this podcast segment called 'Meditation Party'?

The name 'Meditation Party' aims to make meditation more fun and reflects a broader view of the practice, encompassing highs, lows, and the crucial element of community. It emphasizes that meditation doesn't have to be a solitary, grim endeavor but can be a shared experience of human connection.

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What is the importance of community in meditation practice?

Community, or 'Sangha' in Buddhist tradition, is one of the 'three jewels' of practice, offering an 'HOV lane effect' by normalizing the often strange practice of meditation. It fosters intimacy, connection, and allows individuals to feel more human and less alone in their experiences.

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How has Sebene Selassie's experience with chronic pain changed her approach to teaching pain meditation?

Her experience led her to emphasize self-love, self-care, soothing, touch, and movement in pain meditation. She found that continually returning to just sensations can reinforce negative patterns, especially with chronic pain, and that stillness isn't always a panacea.

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What is the hosts' perspective on using meditation for 'manifestation'?

While 'manifesting' as commonly peddled (e.g., positive thinking to get material desires) is largely considered 'bullshit' and damaging due to its victim-blaming nature, a more benign version involves setting healthy intentions, visualizing goals, and practicing non-attachment to specific outcomes. This aligns with the idea of controlling causes, not effects.

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How can one deal with the desire for revenge and underlying anger after a difficult relationship ends?

It's helpful to question the idea of a 'failed' marriage, cultivate gratitude for the positive aspects of the relationship, and practice 'mudita' (joy for the joy of others). The goal is to choose freedom over being 'right' about being wronged, allowing oneself to feel the anger, and exploring its deeper, underlying causes, potentially with external support.

1. Cultivate a Meditative Community

Actively seek and engage with a community of meditators (Sangha) to counteract disconnection, gain support in your practice, and normalize what can sometimes feel like a strange pursuit. This community fosters deeper human connection and allows for authentic sharing.

2. Practice Authentic Sharing

Engage in authentic and honest sharing within your community to foster deeper human connection and avoid shutting down. Aim to share from “scars” (healed experiences with perspective) rather than “wounds” (raw, current pain) to avoid overwhelming others, but seek help from trusted individuals for open wounds.

3. Embrace Gratitude as Game Changer

Cultivate a gratitude practice to powerfully shift perspective, recognize positive aspects of life, and change negative thought patterns, especially during challenging times. Start by being grateful for easy things, then gradually extend it to include difficulties and “gray days.”

4. Implement Diverse Gratitude Practices

Integrate various gratitude practices into your daily life, such as daily gratitude texting with friends, journaling gratitude lists periodically, or mentally shifting negative thought patterns to a list of things you’re grateful for.

5. Seek Support, Don’t Go Alone

Actively seek and lean on support from many people, including friends, family, doctors, pets, or even nature, rather than trying to navigate difficult times in isolation. Our nervous systems are designed to interact with other nervous systems, making community vital.

6. Re-evaluate Pain Meditation Approach

When experiencing chronic or severe pain, allow yourself space for ease, including movement, rocking, or other soothing actions, rather than forcing stillness. This approach prioritizes self-love and self-care over rigid adherence to traditional sitting meditation.

7. Prioritize Freedom Over Being Right

In conflicts or grievances, prioritize your freedom from emotional entanglement over the need to be “right.” Engage in a process of forgiveness, which aims to release the emotional hold of past wrongs without condoning the actions.

8. Explore Underlying Anger & Seek Support

When experiencing anger, explore its underlying causes and core emotions through self-inquiry, meditation, therapy, or somatic work, allowing yourself to feel and process these energies for transformative change. For deeper, core emotional issues, recognize when your own agency is not enough and seek professional support.

9. Reframe Relationship Endings as Evolution

Challenge the notion of a long-term relationship ending as a “failure.” Instead, reframe it as an evolution, recognizing that relationships can conclude without negating their past value and that multiple partnerships are common in adult life.

10. Cultivate Mudita (Sympathetic Joy)

Practice Mudita, or sympathetic joy, by consciously wishing happiness for others, even those who have caused you pain or moved on. This “pro move” can be a powerful tool for personal healing and releasing negative emotions.

11. Practice Healthy Manifestation

Engage in a “humbler, reality-based” form of manifestation by setting healthy intentions and desires (controlling causes), then releasing attachment to specific outcomes (recognizing you cannot control effects). Focus on doing your best while acknowledging impermanence.

12. Visualize Desired Future

When setting intentions, visualize your desired future as if it has already happened, allowing this feeling to deeply sink in through equanimity. This practice can influence your actions, priorities, and the opportunities you notice, making your goals more likely to materialize.

13. Cherish Your Ability to Move

Consciously cherish and appreciate your physical ability to move, recognizing it as a profound privilege that can be easily taken for granted.

14. Adapt Practices for Neurodiversity

Recognize that meditation and mindfulness practices should be adapted for individuals with different brain types and challenges, moving beyond a “one size fits all” approach to better support neurodiverse people.

15. Bond Through Children’s Interests

Engage with your children’s current obsessions and interests, even if they are outside your usual sphere, as a powerful and enjoyable way to bond and foster conversation.

16. Expand Meditation & Party Definition

Broaden your understanding of “meditation” and “party” to include all aspects of life, both joyful and difficult, fostering a sense of celebration and fun. This means embracing life in its fullness, including the ups and downs.

17. Provide Podcast Feedback

Provide feedback on the podcast (e.g., new theme music, episode format) via Twitter or the 10% Happier website to help the creators improve the show.

18. Consider Meditation App & Retreat

Explore using the “10% with Dan Harris” app for guided meditations, live community sessions, and ad-free podcast access, or attend their meditation retreat for a community experience.

Meditation is too often sold to us as a solo death march. But we, meaning Seb, Jeff, and I, think that is the wrong way to view it.

Dan Harris

The Buddhists have long known that there is an HOV lane effect to meditating with other people and or simply having a community of fellow meditators to normalize this sometimes very strange practice.

Dan Harris

Meditation brings down those boundaries of self, the rigidities that often can prevent real intimacy and connection.

Jeff Warren

If you can model for people that it is okay to be okay with your ugliness, with the whole catastrophe of your personality, that's a huge service.

Dan Harris

I think that it's a spectrum. We're using this word manifestation, but what does it really mean?

Sebene Selassie

We can control causes, not effects.

Dan Harris

Better to be free than to be right.

Jeff Warren

Sebene Selassie's Gratitude Practice

Sebene Selassie
  1. Text gratitude lists to friends almost every day, sometimes including pictures or things that are difficult to be grateful for.
  2. Maintain a journaling practice of writing lists of things to be grateful for periodically, especially during challenging times.
  3. Consciously redirect negative mind patterns towards gratitude by mentally listing things to be grateful for.
  4. Start by being grateful for things that are easy to appreciate, then gradually extend gratitude to challenges or 'gray days'.
  5. Recognize and appreciate the support received from many beings, including people (friends, family, doctors), land, earth, and nature.
10 years
Years Dan and Sebene Selassie have known each other They met through the New York Insight Meditation Center.
10 years
Years Dan and Jeff Warren have known each other Dan reached out to Jeff after reading his article in the New York Times.
52 year old
Sebene Selassie's age Mentioned in the context of dating after divorce.
14 year
Duration of Sebene Selassie's marriage that ended Ended in 2022, rounding out a difficult year.
17-year
Duration of anonymous listener's marriage that ended Described as a 'failed' marriage, leading to feelings of rage and pain.
8-year-old
Age of Dan Harris's son Recently became obsessed with sports.
6 months ago
Time since Dan Harris's son became obsessed with sports Shifted from Pikachu and Marvel to sports.