Paul Gilmartin, The Battles in Our Heads, Uncensored

May 16, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Paul Gilmartin, host of "The Mental Illness Happy Hour" podcast, discusses his journey through addiction, depression, and childhood abuse. He shares how meditation, support groups, and finding purpose in helping others have been crucial for his healing and mental well-being.

At a Glance
18 Insights
58m 24s Duration
14 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction and Listener Voicemails

Paul Gilmartin's Introduction to Meditation

Paul's History with Addiction and Sobriety

Using Adderall for Treatment-Resistant Depression

Paul's Transcendental Meditation Experience

Utility of Meditation for Depression and Anxiety

Genesis and Purpose of 'The Mental Illness Happy Hour' Podcast

Finding Meaning and Purpose Beyond Fame

Processing Childhood Trauma and Covert Incest

Impact of Discussing Abuse on the Podcast

Addressing Suicidality in Listener Communications

Origins of Paul's Mental Health Struggles

Comedy as a Survival Mechanism

Reframing Difficulties as Gifts

Vedic Meditation / Transcendental Meditation (TM)

A meditation practice that involves using a mantra (a phrase with no meaning) repeated in the mind to disengage the brain from daily thoughts, aiming for a state of relaxed presence. It is believed to help individuals step outside their brain and not take feelings personally.

Meditation as Training

The idea that meditation, especially during stressful or distracted times, acts like a tough workout, training the mind to be supple and resilient in the face of unpredictable thoughts and external circumstances. It helps one become better at life, not just a great meditator.

Self-Obsession vs. Self-Reflection

Self-obsession is a destructive focus on one's own life quality, often leading to rumination and anxiety, whereas self-reflection is a healthy process of investigating inner thoughts and feelings to understand their underlying causes and what might be going on inside.

Stepping Out of the Stream

A mental model in meditation where one observes thoughts and feelings with non-judgmental remove, like being in a helicopter looking down at a traffic jam, rather than being caught within the 'traffic' of one's own mind. This allows for clear seeing without being yanked around by feelings.

Covert Incest

A term describing an enmeshed and inappropriate relationship between a parent and child, often involving emotional or physical boundary crossings that, while not necessarily involving direct genital contact, are predatory and harmful to the child's development.

Long-Term Gift in Ugly Wrapping Paper

A metaphor suggesting that difficult life experiences, when processed with help and vulnerability, can lead to the development of valuable tools and insights that ultimately bring meaning and purpose, even though the initial experience is painful.

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What is the host's (Dan Harris) experience with Transcendental Meditation (TM)?

Dan Harris has not yet been trained in TM, but he is interested in trying it. He is skeptical of the TM organization and its founder but not of the practice itself, which he believes has scientific evidence supporting its benefits.

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How can one maintain mindfulness and meditation practice during stressful workweeks, not just on easy weekends?

Meditations during stressful times, though they may feel 'tough' or distracted, are valuable training for life's unpredictability. The goal is not to achieve a special state, but to become better at seeing clearly whatever you're feeling so that emotions don't control you.

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Can Adderall be used to treat depression, even if it's typically prescribed for ADD?

Yes, Adderall, which is a methamphetamine, can be prescribed for treatment-resistant depression, as it has been discovered to help some individuals with the overwhelming feelings associated with severe depression.

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What is the primary utility of Transcendental Meditation for someone struggling with overwhelming depression?

TM helps individuals with depression let go of rigid ideas of how things 'should be,' become more present, and step outside their own thoughts to observe them without judgment, distinguishing between self-obsession and healthy self-reflection.

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What was the inspiration behind starting 'The Mental Illness Happy Hour' podcast?

After experiencing a severe relapse of depression despite years of therapy, Paul Gilmartin realized he was 'fooled' by the illness and wanted to create an accessible, raw, and uncensored platform for discussing mental health struggles, inspired by the healing power of shared stories in support groups.

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How does helping others contribute to personal healing and purpose?

By helping others who share similar struggles, being vulnerable, and asking for help, individuals can find a sense of peace and purpose that they might have previously sought through external achievements like money or fame.

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What is 'covert incest' and how did discussing it help Paul Gilmartin?

Covert incest refers to an enmeshed and inappropriate parent-child relationship involving emotional or physical boundary violations that are predatory, even without direct genital contact. Discussing his experience with it on his podcast helped Paul let go of shame, own his story, and move from feeling like a victim to a survivor.

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How does Paul Gilmartin handle communications from listeners expressing suicidal ideation?

He responds by stating he is not a mental health professional, urging them to contact a suicide hotline, therapist, or other professional, and emphasizing that they are not alone and should not give up on seeking help.

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What are the potential long-term benefits of enduring difficult life experiences?

Difficulties can be a 'long-term gift in ugly wrapping paper' because they often force individuals to develop coping tools and resilience that can then be applied to various aspects of life, transforming anger into gratitude and fostering personal growth.

1. Prioritize Meaning and Purpose

Recognize that finding meaning and purpose, especially through helping others, is as crucial for mental well-being as medication, exercise, support groups, meditation, and boundaries. This pursuit can bring a profound sense of peace that external success often fails to deliver.

2. Establish Consistent Mental Health Regimen

Develop a daily regimen of practices like medication, meditation, and support groups to achieve functionality and peace. With consistent practice, these become ingrained routines, requiring less conscious effort.

3. Value Tough Meditation Sessions

Don’t get hung up on perceiving “good” versus “bad” meditation sits; tough, distracted sessions are like intense workouts that train you for unpredictable life. Practice consistently on all days, calm or stressful, to become better at life, not just a great meditator.

4. See Feelings Clearly

The goal of meditation is not to achieve a special state, but to consistently improve your ability to see your feelings clearly. This practice helps prevent your emotions from controlling you like a puppeteer.

5. Meditate for Self-Reflection

Employ meditation to differentiate between healthy self-reflection and destructive self-obsession, recognizing that obsessing about life’s quality degrades it. By observing wandering thoughts and gently returning to your anchor, you can identify underlying anxieties and fears, fostering deeper self-investigation.

6. Practice TM for Presence

Engage in Transcendental Meditation (TM) by repeating a meaningless mantra for 20 minutes, ideally twice a day, in a quiet place. This practice can foster presence and relaxation, transforming mundane tasks into enjoyable parts of life, and remember there’s “no bad meditation.”

7. Explore Diverse Meditation Practices

Recognize that the mind is trainable through various meditation types. Begin by finding one that suits you, establish a firm foundation, and then consider diversifying your practice to broaden your experience.

8. Surrender Control, Follow Peace

Cease obsessing over what your life path “should” look like and surrender to the things you cannot control. Instead, focus on doing what brings you peace, as this feeling serves as a guidepost to your most authentic self.

9. Embrace Difficulties as Gifts

View life’s difficulties as potential “long-term gifts in ugly wrapping paper” that can lead to meaning and purpose. To “open” these gifts, you must seek help, be vulnerable, and connect with others.

10. Apply Coping Tools Universally

The tools developed to survive past difficulties, such as not taking things personally or reframing anger into gratitude, can be universally applied to everyday situations like traffic or work. This transforms challenging experiences into opportunities for ongoing personal growth.

11. Help Others, Help Yourself

Engaging in acts of service or creating platforms to help others, such as sharing your story, can be a powerful catalyst for your own healing and personal growth. The support received in return further aids this process.

12. Share Your Mental Health Story

Share your personal mental health struggles in a raw, uncensored, and relatable way, as the power of hearing similar stories provides comfort and reduces feelings of isolation. This connection helps alleviate anxiety and builds momentum for recovery.

13. Confront Abuse for Healing

To heal from past abuse, confront your experiences and consider sharing your story, as silence can hinder your own recovery and that of others. Owning your narrative can help release shame and transform your identity from victim to survivor.

14. Set Boundaries in Abusive Relationships

Establish clear boundaries, even cutting contact if necessary, with individuals who are harmful or disrespectful, even if you love them. This protects your well-being, as you cannot continue to be “bitten” by their behavior.

15. Overcome Skepticism, Try New Practices

Despite skepticism towards “new agey” practices, be open to trying things like Transcendental Meditation, especially if you see positive changes in others. Paul’s friend’s transformation inspired him to try TM, which proved effective.

16. Sobriety Improves Mental Health

Paul’s sobriety in 2003, driven by suicidal thoughts, allowed his medications to start working, addressing the internal emotional bottom he had reached. Abstaining from alcohol and drugs can create the necessary conditions for other mental health treatments to be effective.

17. Adderall for Treatment-Resistant Depression

If struggling with treatment-resistant depression, discuss Adderall with your psychiatrist, as it can be a “game changer” for some, even for recovering addicts who don’t abuse it. It helped Paul overcome daily fatigue and increased productivity.

18. Direct Suicidal Individuals to Help

If someone expresses suicidal thoughts, acknowledge their pain, state your limitations as a non-professional, and strongly urge them to contact a suicide hotline, therapist, or mental health professional immediately. Reassure them they are not alone and to keep seeking help.

The point of meditation is not to become some great meditator. The point is to become better at life.

Sharon Salzberg (quoted by Dan Harris)

Even in a shallow dive, you get wet.

Bob Roth (quoted by Paul Gilmartin)

Nothing degrades the quality of my life like obsessing about the quality of my life.

Paul Gilmartin

When you feel peace, that is kind of a breadcrumb on the trail to your most authentic self.

Paul Gilmartin

The more people that stay quiet about their abuse because they don't want someone to be hurt, the harder it is for them to heal.

Paul Gilmartin

It's not because she did those things to me as a kid that I don't have contact with her. I have empathy for her. I still love her, but I kind of look at it like a dog that bites. It's, I love that dog. I wish it didn't bite, but I can't keep getting bitten.

Paul Gilmartin

All the stuff that I've been through and essentially difficulties that any of us go through can oftentimes be a long-term gift in ugly wrapping paper.

Paul Gilmartin

Transcendental Meditation Practice (Initial Instruction)

Paul Gilmartin (as taught by his TM teacher)
  1. Do it two times a day.
  2. Meditate for 20 minutes each time.
  3. Find a quiet place.
  4. Remove phone, keys, wallet.
  5. Sit down and close your eyes.
  6. Repeat a given mantra (a phrase with no meaning) in your mind, or out loud if desired.
16 years
Duration Paul Gilmartin hosted 'Dinner and a Movie' From 1995 to 2011 on TBS
2003
Year Paul Gilmartin got sober From alcohol and drugs
1999
Onset of Paul Gilmartin's treatment-resistant depression Essentially since this year
50 times a day
Frequency of suicidal thoughts (pre-sobriety) Paul Gilmartin's experience during his struggles
20 minutes
Recommended TM practice duration per session As initially taught to Paul Gilmartin
Two times a day
Recommended TM practice frequency As initially taught to Paul Gilmartin
8 years old
Age Paul Gilmartin's mother took his temperature rectally Until he asked her why they were still doing it that way
Late 2010
Year Paul Gilmartin went off his meds and relapsed Despite his psychiatrist's urging not to
About 5 months
Time until depression returned after going off meds Paul Gilmartin's experience after stopping medication
6 months earlier
Podcast start relative to 'Dinner and a Movie' cancellation Paul Gilmartin started his podcast about 6 months before the show was canceled in 2011