The Science of Making and Keeping Friends | Robin Dunbar

Oct 24, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Professor Robin Dunbar, an Emeritus Professor of Evolutionary Psychology at Oxford University, discusses "Dunbar's number" (the limit of meaningful relationships) and the science of human connection. He shares insights on how to make and maintain friendships, their critical impact on physical and mental health, and the surprising roles of social media and even gossip in bonding.

At a Glance
18 Insights
55m 1s Duration
17 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Dan Harris's Personal Reflection on Friendship

Introduction to Robin Dunbar and Dunbar's Number

Defining and Deriving Dunbar's Number

The Layers of Friendship: Intimacy and Investment

The Dynamic Nature of Social Networks and Friendship Decay

Digital Media's Role in Maintaining Friendships

The Urgency of Friendship for Psychological and Physical Health

Evolutionary Origins of Social Bonding in Primates

The Endorphin System and Human Social Bonding

Introversion vs. Extroversion in Friendship Styles

Endorphin Release and Social Connection for Contemplatives

Strategies for Making New Friends in the Modern World

Advice on Maintaining Existing Friendships

Friendships Across Gender Lines and Social Dynamics

Re-evaluating the Concept and Purpose of Gossip

Robin Dunbar's Academic Journey to Studying Social Worlds

The Long Developmental Period for Human Social Skills

Dunbar's Number

This concept represents the theoretical limit on the number of meaningful relationships an individual's brain can maintain at any one time. It was originally predicted from the relationship between brain size and social group size in primates, and for humans, it typically falls around 150 people.

Layers of Friendship

These are concentric circles of relationships, with the innermost layers being very small (e.g., 5 intimate friends) and emotionally intense, and outer layers progressively larger but with decreasing emotional quality and frequency of contact. These layers reflect the brain's ability to handle different levels of emotional closeness and the time invested in relationships.

Endorphin System & Social Bonding

The brain's endorphin system, which is part of its pain management, is deeply involved in underpinning social bonding. It creates feelings of warmth, relaxation, comfort, and trust, and can be triggered by activities like social grooming (in primates), laughter, singing, dancing, religious rituals, feasting, drinking alcohol, and telling emotional stories.

Homophily in Friendships

This refers to the tendency for friends to resemble each other across various dimensions, essentially meaning 'love of the same.' Friends often share similar cultural likes/dislikes, beliefs, personality traits (e.g., extroverts with extroverts), and gender, making it easier to create and maintain these relationships.

Gossip (Original Meaning)

Derived from the Anglo-Saxon 'God-sib,' which meant the peer group equivalent of a godparent, the original meaning of gossip was a positive act of hanging out and passing time with friends. In this sense, it's a declaration of commitment to an individual and underpins the maintenance of relationships, rather than solely referring to malicious talk.

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What is Dunbar's Number?

Dunbar's Number is the theoretical limit on the number of meaningful relationships an individual's brain can maintain at any given time, typically estimated at around 150 people.

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How are close friendships defined and maintained?

Close friendships are defined by emotional closeness and the time invested in them. They require regular engagement, typically face-to-face, as lack of contact causes the emotional quality of the relationship to decay over time.

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Do digital and social media help maintain friendships?

Yes, digital media like cell phones and social media can substitute quite well for face-to-face contact, allowing people to keep in touch with friends who are geographically distant, though they are not as satisfying as in-person meetings.

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Is friendship truly an urgent issue for health?

Yes, the quality and number of close friendships are the best predictors of psychological and physical health and even longevity, outweighing factors like diet, exercise, and alcohol consumption.

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How do humans bond socially?

Humans bond through activities that trigger the brain's endorphin system, such as laughter, singing, dancing, religious rituals, feasting, drinking alcohol, and telling emotional stories, which create feelings of warmth, relaxation, and trust.

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How do introverts and extroverts approach friendships differently?

Introverts prefer fewer friends, investing more time in each for more robust relationships, while extroverts prefer more friends, spreading their social time more thinly, resulting in less close relationships on average. Both are equally valid social strategies.

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How can contemplatives or meditators achieve psychological health without extensive social engagement?

Contemplatives and meditators can achieve psychological health by engaging in highly ritualized activities, such as deep contemplation, yoga, or controlled breathing, which can trigger massive endorphin surges, producing feelings of relaxation, calmness, and peace, similar to the effects of social bonding activities.

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What is the best way to make new friends when isolated?

The best approach is to join hobby clubs, volunteering groups, or community organizations that provide regular opportunities to meet people in a comfortable environment, as building a good friendship requires around 200 hours of face-to-face interaction over several months.

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How viable are friendships across gender lines?

Friendships across gender lines are possible but less common, as men and women tend to live in different social worlds with distinct social dynamics. Women's friendships are often intimate and conversation-based, while men's are more diffused, casual, and activity-based, with a strong tendency for homophily (similarity) in friend selection.

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Is gossip inherently bad?

Not necessarily; the original meaning of 'gossip' (God-sib) referred to peer-group friends and the positive act of hanging out and maintaining relationships. While it can be used maliciously, its core function is a declaration of commitment and an underpinning of social connection.

1. Prioritize Friendships

Make a huge effort to jumpstart old friendships and create new ones, as the quality of your relationships profoundly determines the quality of your life, making it a truly urgent issue.

2. Prioritize Social Health

Recognize that the quality and number of your close friendships are the best predictors of your psychological and physical health, including longevity, often outweighing other health factors.

3. Identify Core Support

Nurture your innermost circle of typically five “shoulders to cry on” – those intense relationships with people who will drop everything to support you when your world falls apart.

4. Seek Local Close Friends

If a very close friend moves away, consider finding a new “shoulder to cry on” who is physically accessible, as face-to-face interaction, including physical comfort, is vital for intimate friendships.

5. Actively Engage with Friends

To maintain friendships, consistently engage with people, ideally face-to-face on a regular basis (e.g., once or twice a week), as lack of engagement will cause the emotional quality of the friendship to decay.

6. Maintain Optimal Contact

Keep seeing friends, but be mindful not to overdo it; find the optimum frequency of contact specific to the emotional closeness and layer of each relationship to keep it strong.

7. Invest Time in New Friends

Be prepared to invest significant time, approximately 200 hours of face-to-face interaction over several months, to transform a stranger into a reasonably close friend.

8. Join Social Hobby Clubs

To make new friends, especially after moving, join hobby clubs, singing groups, theater groups, or hiking groups, as these provide comfortable environments and regular opportunities to meet people.

9. Volunteer to Connect

Combat feelings of isolation or loneliness by volunteering, as it embeds you in a group of people and provides a ready-made social environment for forming connections.

10. Engage in Group Activities

If you lack 4-5 close friends, particularly as an older person, compensate by engaging in around three voluntary social activities (e.g., church, hobby groups) to embed yourself in a social environment and prevent depression, but avoid spreading yourself too thinly.

11. Boost Bonding with Endorphins

Engage in activities like laughter, singing, dancing, religious rituals, social eating, drinking alcohol, and telling emotional stories to trigger endorphin release and foster social bonding, with singing being particularly effective.

12. Nurture Family Bonds

Recognize that family relationships are more robust and “cheaper” to maintain than friendships, allowing you to pick up where you left off even after long periods without daily investment.

13. Utilize Digital Contact

Use social and digital media (cell phones, etc.) to maintain contact with friends, especially those who are geographically distant, as it can effectively substitute for some in-person interactions.

14. Avoid Prolonged Isolation

While temporary solitude can be a relief, avoid staying in isolation for too long, as prolonged loneliness can lead to serious psychological and physical consequences.

15. Personalize Friendship Approach

Understand that introverts thrive with fewer, deeply invested friendships, while extroverts prefer more, less intensely maintained connections; tailor your approach to friendships based on your personality type.

16. Avoid Malicious Gossip

Refrain from using negative or malicious gossip, as it erodes trust and can lead to ostracization, thereby undermining the foundation of friendships and community.

17. Use Casual “Gossip” Positively

Engage in casual conversation or “gossip” (in its original, positive sense of hanging out) as a declaration of commitment and a foundational activity for maintaining relationships.

18. Adapt Conversation Depth

Recognize that extensive conversation is crucial for building new relationships, but becomes less necessary as relationships mature and trust deepens, allowing for comfortable silence.

The quality of your relationships determines the quality of your life.

Dan Harris

Dunbar's number is really your bar mitzvah stroke wedding stroke funeral group size.

Robin Dunbar

These are the people that, you know, when your world falls apart, they will drop everything to come and pick you up again.

Robin Dunbar

The best predictor of your psychological health and welfare, your physical health and welfare, even how long you're going to live in the future, is just the quality and number of close friendships you have.

Robin Dunbar

Singing really is the, probably the best. We call it the icebreaker effect because you can literally turn complete strangers into people who think they've known each other for life by just an hour's community singing around the campfire.

Robin Dunbar

But don't stay in that hole for too long.

Robin Dunbar

The human social world is the most complex thing in the universe. It's much more complicated than anything that astronomers or physicists do, really, because it's so unpredictable.

Robin Dunbar

The world is kept going by the girls completely.

Robin Dunbar

Compensating for Lack of Close Friendships (for older people)

Robin Dunbar
  1. Maintain around four to five good friends.
  2. Alternatively, engage in roundabout three voluntary activities, such as helping to run scouts, helping out at a local church, or joining a local hobby or interest group.
  3. Avoid spreading yourself too thinly by trying to do both (e.g., five friends and three activities), as this can make you worse off.

Making New Friends

Robin Dunbar
  1. Join a hobby club, singing group, theater group, hiking group, or volunteer organization to find environments for meeting people.
  2. Regularly attend these groups to provide consistent opportunities for interaction.
  3. Allow sufficient time for friendships to develop slowly and naturally, as it can take around 200 hours of face-to-face interaction over several months to form a reasonably good friend.
  4. Once an initial small group of friends is established, they can introduce you to other people, helping your social network to grow.

Maintaining Existing Friendships

Robin Dunbar
  1. Keep seeing your friends regularly.
  2. Actively make excuses to continue seeing them.
  3. Be careful not to overdo it; there is an optimum frequency for seeing friends that is specific to the layer of closeness of that relationship.
150
Core number for Dunbar's number (meaningful relationships) Includes friends, family, and potentially non-human entities if a meaningful relationship is felt.
100 and 200
Range for personal social networks (meaningful relationships) The number of people one has meaningful relationships with.
150
Average size of weddings in America Consistent for the last decade, reflecting Dunbar's number as the 'bar mitzvah/wedding/funeral group size'.
5
Average number of people in the innermost core of intimate friendships These are 'shoulders to cry on' friendships, typically varying between 4 and 6.
500
Number of people in the layer of acquaintances (cumulative) Includes the 150 meaningful relationships plus an additional 350 acquaintances.
5,000
Number of faces one can recognize as having seen before (outermost layer) The total number of people whose faces you can put names to or recognize.
30%
Approximate annual turnover in friendship positions Especially dramatic among late high school, early college age groups.
2 close family members and 2 close friends, plus 1 from either side
Typical composition of the inner core of 5 intimate friends A common distribution of relationship types within the innermost layer.
2
Number of people typically 'squeezed out' of the inner circle when falling in love Due to the significant attention and mental effort invested in a new romantic partner.
1.5 inches per second
Optimum speed for light, slow stroking to trigger endorphin release This speed activates mechanical receptors at the base of hair follicles, mimicking social grooming.
200 hours
Estimated face-to-face interaction hours to turn a stranger into a good friend Required over several months to develop a reasonably close friendship.
70-75%
Proportion of women's and men's social networks consisting of their own gender This figure remains constant from age 5 to 85, indicating strong gender segregation in chosen friendships.
85%
Proportion of women's 'best friends forever' who are another woman Only 15% of women's 'best friends forever' are men.
25 years
Approximate age to learn social skills for complex social world Reflects the time needed to 'put the software in' for handling social complexities, with brain processing of emotional cues automating around the mid-20s.
5 years
Approximate age for basic adult-level language skills Children at this age can structure sentences grammatically well, though vocabulary and complex sentence structure continue to develop.