What To Do When When Someone's Pissed At You | Matthew Brensilver, Vinny Ferraro, Kaira Jewel Lingo
Executive Producer DJ Cashmere interviews Dharma teachers Kaira Jewel Lingo, Vinny Ferraro, and Matthew Brensilver on handling others' anger and the anger it triggers in you. They discuss communication, boundaries, empathy, and self-compassion, offering practical Buddhist strategies for navigating difficult emotional interactions.
Deep Dive Analysis
12 Topic Outline
Introduction to Handling Other People's Anger
DJ's Personal Struggles with Defensive Reactions to Anger
How Meditation Cultivates Awareness and Reduces Reactivity
Thich Nhat Hanh's 'Peace Treaty' for Responding to Anger
Kaira Jewel Lingo: Staying Grounded When Others Are Unmindful
Practical Tools: Reflective Listening and Asking for Help
Vinny Ferraro: Uncovering Fear Beneath Anger
Challenging the Myth: Can Anger and Love Coexist?
The Importance of Boundaries in Relationships
Matthew Brensilver: Aversion Masquerading as Compassion
Self-Soothing and the Distinction Between Humility and Humiliation
Embracing Limitations for Growth
4 Key Concepts
Awareness/Mindfulness (in meditation)
The ability to observe one's thoughts and emotions without being owned or fooled by them. It creates 'spaciousness' around thoughts, allowing for more skillful responses rather than automatic reactions.
Equanimity
A deeper form of calm achieved through meditation, characterized by being 'cool with whatever's happening.' It's about not being yanked around by thoughts, rather than just a superficial, instant calm.
Aversion Masquerading as Compassion
The tendency to intervene or try to 'fix' another person's suffering, not out of genuine compassion, but out of one's own discomfort or intolerance of their suffering. This often stems from a desire to control their pain for one's own benefit.
Humility vs. Humiliation
Humility is the capacity to appreciate one's shortcomings while understanding the innocent causes and conditions behind them, fostering growth. Humiliation, conversely, entails a measure of self-judgment and creates a disincentive to keep growing, often stemming from shame.
7 Questions Answered
Meditation helps by building awareness, allowing you to observe thoughts without being owned by them, and creating 'spaciousness.' This enables more skillful responses and a deeper sense of calm or equanimity, even if the meditation itself isn't 'blissful.'
The ideal approach is to respect their feelings, allow them to calm down, not press for immediate discussion, and apologize if you can. Even if the other person is unmindful, you can stay grounded, take care of yourself, and compassionately reflect back what you hear, helping them touch the underlying pain.
One technique is reflective listening, where you repeat back the essence of what they've said in your own words. This helps the other person feel heard and acts as a circuit breaker on your own reactivity, inserting a pause before you respond.
Yes, it is possible to care deeply about someone and still be angry with them. Challenging the myth that these feelings are mutually exclusive is important, as it prevents the assumption that anger means love has been withdrawn.
Boundaries are for self-protection and define the distance at which you can love both yourself and the other person simultaneously. They allow you to care for someone while choosing how close you let them be, especially if they consistently disrespect your boundaries or are abusive.
Genuine compassion involves a willingness to grieve and suffer *with* the other person, engaging with their suffering on their own terms. Wanting their suffering to stop, however, can be aversion masquerading as compassion, driven by your own discomfort and a desire to control their pain for your benefit.
Humility is the capacity to appreciate your shortcomings and the complex causes behind them without self-judgment, fostering continued growth. Humiliation, on the other hand, involves shame and a sense of personal failure, which discourages further learning and development.
19 Actionable Insights
1. Cultivate Daily Meditation Practice
Engage in daily meditation, even for short periods, to build awareness, slow down reactions, and cultivate a deeper calm and equanimity. This practice helps you see thoughts as just thoughts, preventing them from owning your actions and leading to gentler, more skillful interactions.
2. Practice Self-Compassion Regularly
Be kind to yourself, especially when you make mistakes or fall short, by cultivating humility rather than humiliation. Acknowledge that you are doing your best, and understand that going easier on yourself can lead to better outcomes for everyone involved in your interactions.
3. Reflect on Anger Beliefs
Examine your deep-rooted beliefs about what it means when others are angry at you, questioning if you believe anger and love cannot coexist. Challenge old beliefs that may be unhelpful and driving your reactive responses to conflict.
4. Practice Self-Soothing Before Engaging
When activated by someone else’s anger, take a moment to self-soothe and find groundedness within yourself before engaging. This creates enough patience and tranquility to meet their suffering with love and goodwill, rather than an impulse to control or shut down their emotions.
5. Use Reflective Listening
When someone speaks to you, listen journalistically and then repeat back the essence of what they’ve said in your own words. This helps the other person feel heard and understood, which can relax them, and acts as a circuit breaker for your own reactivity, even if you’re still feeling angry.
6. Stay Grounded When Others Aren’t
When someone else is unable to manage their emotions, focus on staying present and grounded in yourself. This prevents you from escalating their strong emotions, allows you to care for yourself, and benefits the relationship system even if they cannot meet you halfway.
7. Reflect Underlying Suffering
When someone is angry, try to compassionately reflect back what you perceive as the underlying hurt or suffering beneath their fiery emotions. This ‘Aikido move’ allows their energy to flow past you and helps them touch the deeper emotion, which can be profoundly helpful.
8. Avoid Immediate Discussion
When someone is angry, do not press for an immediate discussion, and allow them enough time to calm down. Agree to talk about it later if they wish, giving both parties space to process emotions.
9. Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries
Establish and uphold boundaries for your own well-being, especially when others do not respect them. Remember that you can care about someone while still choosing the distance at which you can love both yourself and them simultaneously, even if it means transforming or ending a relationship.
10. Apologize Without Justification
If you realize you’ve been unskillful or lacked mindfulness, apologize as soon as possible without attempting to justify your actions. This acknowledges your contribution to the situation and avoids further escalation.
11. Ask for Help When Overwhelmed
If you feel overwhelmed by anger and cannot manage it on your own, explicitly ask for help from a trusted person. This act of vulnerability can serve as a circuit breaker, allowing you to receive support and de-escalate the situation.
12. Inquire About Underlying Fear
When someone expresses anger, consider if fear might be the deeper, primary emotion driving their reaction, and also check for fear within yourself. Recognizing this underlying emotion in both parties can instantly diffuse tension and foster compassion and empathy.
13. Avoid Controlling Others’ Suffering
Be mindful not to mistake your intolerance of another person’s suffering for genuine compassion. Instead of trying to control or blunt their suffering for your own comfort, strive to engage with them on their own terms, even if it means being willing to grieve with them.
14. Embrace Humility, Not Humiliation
When you fall short or make mistakes, cultivate humility by appreciating your shortcomings and seeing the complex causes and conditions that underlie them, rather than succumbing to humiliation, which is self-focused and hinders growth. Embrace seeing your limitations as part of sincere practice.
15. Welcome Deep Self-Awareness
Cultivate an attitude of welcoming self-awareness, even when it reveals your limitations, idiosyncrasies, or past ‘jackass’ behavior. It is always better to see these aspects of yourself than not to see them, fostering a continuous path of growth.
16. Develop Bespoke Partner Signals
Work with your partner to develop specific, agreed-upon signals that can gently indicate when one of you might need to take a breath during a heated moment, without escalating the situation further.
17. Avoid Self-Judgment in Conflict
When someone is angry at you, avoid compounding the situation with self-judgment or immediately siding against yourself. Instead, challenge the internal narrative that their anger confirms you are a ‘bad person’.
18. Don’t Side With Yourself
In moments of conflict or when receiving criticism, actively resist the impulse to immediately side with your own perspective. Instead, inquire into what might be worth hearing from the other person’s perspective.
19. Be Patient with Learning
Understand that some insights and practices may take time to fully integrate and become effective, sometimes years or even decades. Approach your personal development with patience, recognizing that seeds planted now may bear fruit much later.
7 Key Quotes
Unexamined thoughts blot out the sun. They take over. Thought marches through our mind and we just do it. Examined thoughts are little more than nothing. And that is freedom.
Sam Harris (quoted by Dan Harris)
The chopping wood of sitting, trying to focus on one thing, getting distracted, starting again, getting distracted, starting again. Like that is a route to calm of a sort. It's just not the kind of press a button and get calm. It's a deeper calm.
Dan Harris
The key to me is that we stay aware of what's happening in us and also the other person, right? We should know what's happening in us and we should know what's happening in the other person being mindful of that.
Kaira Jewel Lingo
It only takes one skilled person to make a good conversation.
Dan Klerman and Mudita Nisker (quoted by DJ Kashmir)
A healthy boundary is the distance between us where I can love us both simultaneously.
Prentice Hemphill (quoted by Vinny Ferraro)
My compassionate intervention is really just my own intolerance of their suffering masquerading as compassion.
Matthew Brensilver
If we're not being humbled on this path, we're probably not practicing sincerely.
Matthew Brensilver
1 Protocols
Thich Nhat Hanh's Peace Treaty (When Someone is Angry at You)
Thich Nhat Hanh (described by DJ Kashmir)- Respect the other person's feelings, not ridicule them, and allow enough time for them to calm down.
- Do not press for an immediate discussion.
- If the other person wants to talk about it at some later time, agree to do that with them.
- If you can apologize, do so right away.
- Practice breathing and see the seeds of unkindness and anger in yourself, acknowledging your contribution to their unhappiness and how making them suffer also makes you suffer.
- If you haven't yet apologized, apologize as soon as you realize your unskillfulness and lack of mindfulness, without making any attempt to justify yourself.