Glennon Doyle is Rethinking Her Relationship to Social Media, Hustle Culture, Intuition, Her Body, and Her Parents

Jan 12, 2024 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Glennon Doyle, author and activist, discusses her journey through anorexia recovery, rethinking non-negotiables, and embracing embodiment. She shares how stepping away from hustle and social media allowed her to reconnect with her intuition and body's wisdom.

At a Glance
30 Insights
47m 19s Duration
11 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Glennon Doyle's Current Life Inflection Point

Rethinking 'Non-Negotiables' and Anorexia Recovery

The Challenge of Social Media and Embodiment

Monetizing Life Experiences and Self-Objectification

Parental Fragility and Generational Narratives

The Evolution of Writing and Personal Growth

Practical Steps for Embodiment and Healing Trauma

Deconstructing Hustle Culture and Discipline

The Power of Intuitive Living

Internal Family Systems and the Concept of Self

Finding Ecstasy and a Strong Self

Embodiment

The practice of dropping out of one's head and into the whole body, listening to its signals (hunger, tiredness, sadness, joy), and being present. It involves understanding oneself as 'a body' rather than 'having a body,' recognizing the wisdom in bodily sensations, and allowing suppressed feelings and memories to rise.

Self-Objectification

The act of constantly viewing oneself from an external perspective, considering how one is being seen, rather than simply being the subject experiencing life. Glennon connects this to anorexia and the pervasive nature of social media, where the act of being observed changes one's experience.

Parental Fragility

A described tendency, particularly in older generations, to be unable to entertain criticism or reflection on past parenting decisions without feeling like a 'bad parent.' This inability to reflect can hinder growth and deeper connection between generations.

Hustle Culture (Productivity Gospel)

A cultural mindset that, similar to diet culture, encourages living outside oneself, never stopping, and overriding bodily needs and true desires. It emphasizes discipline and external validation over internal well-being, often leading people to climb a 'wrong ladder' of achievement.

Intuitive Living

An approach to life that extends beyond intuitive eating, applying the principle of listening to one's internal wisdom for all aspects of life, including sleep, speaking, and professional choices. It involves trusting one's body and inner signals to guide decisions rather than external rules or expectations.

Internal Family Systems (IFS)

A therapeutic model that views the self as a community of 'parts' rather than a singular entity. It suggests that a wise 'Self' can lead these parts, listening to their well-meaning intentions, even if some parts have been exiled or are destructive, to make the best decisions for the whole.

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What is Glennon Doyle's current 'non-negotiable' practice?

Her current non-negotiable is actually trying not to have non-negotiables, instead focusing on checking in with her internal feelings and desires (e.g., hunger, tiredness, sadness, energy) in each moment.

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How does social media impact the ability to be embodied?

Glennon believes it might be impossible to learn embodiment while constantly projecting an image of oneself onto the world, as the act of observing and being observed can interrupt genuine moments and lead to disembodiment.

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How can one begin to break free from self-objectification and external validation?

One way is to consciously stop turning beautiful personal moments into 'content' for external sharing, and instead allow oneself to keep those experiences purely for oneself, finding joy in the private experience rather than the public perception.

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How does Glennon Doyle view the concept of 'having a body' versus 'being a body'?

She found it crucial to shift from 'I have a body' (treating it as an accessory to control) to 'I am a body' (seeing it as integral to her identity, full of wisdom and signals like tiredness or hunger).

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What is the connection between diet culture and hustle culture?

Both cultures require individuals to live outside themselves, ignore bodily needs, and constantly strive for external validation through discipline, rather than listening to internal desires or what truly brings happiness.

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How can one approach generational trauma and past parental actions without vilification?

Glennon suggests allowing oneself to first acknowledge and be angry about past hurts, but then widening one's perspective to see how each generation, including one's parents, was simply doing their best to move forward given their own circumstances and lineage.

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What is the role of the 'self' in the context of internal wisdom and spiritual growth?

Glennon, drawing on Internal Family Systems, views the self as a community of parts led by a wiser, undamaged 'Self' that can listen to all other parts. The ultimate goal is not to 'find' a fixed self, but to stop trying to define it and simply live life, which she finds to be a terrifying relief.

1. Prioritize Internal Check-ins

Instead of living by strict non-negotiables, try to wake up each day and hourly check in with your internal state (e.g., hunger, tiredness, sadness, energy) to guide your actions. This helps you listen to your body and desires rather than external rules.

2. Step Off The Wheel

To truly understand how you feel and what you want, consider taking a significant break from your usual routines and external pressures, such as stopping travel or speaking engagements. This allows you to create space for self-reflection and re-engagement with your inner world.

3. Trust Body’s Inherent Wisdom

Recognize and trust that your body possesses inherent wisdom, much like an acorn contains the blueprint for an oak tree. This means listening to its signals (e.g., tiredness, hunger) and allowing it to express its needs, rather than relying solely on external rules or controls.

4. Practice Intuitive Living

Extend the concept of intuitive eating to an ‘intuitive life,’ meaning you try to intuitively sleep, speak, and only engage in professional activities that genuinely make you feel happy, light, and curious. This involves listening to your inner wisdom across various domains.

5. Embrace “I Am A Body”

To foster embodiment, consciously change your language from ‘I have a body’ to ‘I am a body.’ This shift helps to integrate your physical self as an intrinsic part of who you are, rather than an accessory to be controlled or perfected.

6. Disengage From Social Media

If you are working on embodiment and find that constantly projecting an image of yourself on social media hinders this process, consider temporarily or permanently disengaging from it. For some, this separation is necessary to prevent self-objectification and stay present.

7. Question Hustle Culture

Critically examine ‘hustle culture’ and its emphasis on constant discipline, productivity, and external achievements. Recognize that this culture often requires you to ignore your bodily needs and true desires, potentially leading you down the ‘wrong ladder’ of happiness.

8. Utilize Internal Family Systems

Employ the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model to view yourself as a community of internal ‘parts,’ with a wise, calm ‘Self’ at the head of the table. Listen to all your parts, understanding they mean well, and allow the ‘Self’ to make the best decisions for your overall well-being.

9. Stop Defining “Who I Am”

Instead of constantly trying to define or ‘figure out who you are,’ practice letting go of that quest. This can lead to a terrifying but ultimately liberating relief, allowing you to simply live life rather than trying to solidify a fixed self.

10. Walk Daily To Process Emotions

Incorporate a daily walk into your routine, as this practice can create space for previously ignored feelings, memories, and unresolved family-of-origin issues to rise to the surface. This allows for deeper processing and healing beyond just stopping problematic behaviors.

11. Remove Policing Clothes

Purge your wardrobe of clothes that are too tight or serve as an external ‘police force,’ giving you negative feedback about your body. Replace them with comfortable items that allow for natural bodily changes, fostering self-acceptance and liberation.

12. Engage With External Beauty

Actively seek out and appreciate external beauty, such as nature or music, as a way to ‘stand outside of yourself’ and prevent excessive inward obsession. This can provide a healthy sense of smallness and relief from constant self-focus.

13. Buy For Personal Enjoyment

When making purchases, choose items because you genuinely like looking at them or using them, rather than considering what others will think about you for having them. This practice helps you become the ‘subject’ of your own life, not an object being looked at.

14. Practice Parental Humility

Strive to avoid ‘parental fragility’ by being open to hearing feedback from your children about things you could have done differently, without feeling it invalidates your parenting. This fosters growth and deeper connection in relationships.

15. Reflect On Past Mistakes

Engage in open reflection about past mistakes and different consciousness, holding them alongside the good aspects of your actions. This practice, especially with family, is crucial for personal growth and strengthening relationships.

16. Process Anger Before Perspective

When processing past hurts or trauma, permit yourself to initially feel and express anger or even ‘vilify’ those involved, allowing that part of yourself to be heard. This emotional release can be a necessary step before you can widen your perspective and achieve understanding.

17. Understand Lineage For Forgiveness

After allowing yourself to process initial anger, strive to view past generations’ actions within the context of their lineage and the challenges they faced. This perspective can lead to understanding and forgiveness, recognizing that each generation moves the ‘ball 10 yards down the field.’

18. Implement Temporary Strict Rules

If you’ve lost the ability to trust your internal signals (e.g., due to an eating disorder), it may be necessary to temporarily implement strict external rules, like eating three meals a day, to regain a baseline of sanity and presence in your body.

19. Assess Joy and Dread

Consistently stop and evaluate what activities or situations genuinely make you feel good, bring you joy, or conversely, cause dread. This practice helps you avoid blindly pursuing external definitions of happiness and align with your true desires.

20. Embrace Less External Relevance

To find deeper contentment and happiness, be willing to accept a decrease in external relevance or public visibility. This shift allows you to prioritize internal well-being over external validation.

21. Don’t Monetize Every Moment

Be mindful of the tendency to view every personal experience as potential ‘content’ for public consumption, as this can lead to ‘intrapersonal violence’ and prevent genuine enjoyment of the moment. Allow some experiences to remain private and for yourself.

22. Reframe Social Media Content

When viewing social media, recognize that many images represent an interruption of a moment rather than the moment itself, as people often pause to capture and post. This reframing can help you critically assess the perceived reality of online content.

23. Cultivate A Seeker’s Mindset

Cultivate a mindset of continuous seeking for answers and truth, rather than settling on definitive ‘findings.’ For some, believing they have found the answer can lead to rigidity or susceptibility to external influences.

24. Eliminate Unhealthy Behaviors

When working on personal growth, if you can clearly identify a behavior that is currently unhealthy for you, it may be necessary to temporarily eliminate it entirely. This creates space for healing and developing healthier patterns.

25. Recognize Disembodiment Feelings

Become aware of the sensation of ’leaving your body’ or detaching from the present moment to observe yourself, such as when preparing to take a picture. Recognizing this feeling of disembodiment can help you choose to stay present.

26. Observe Pinnacle Achievers’ Happiness

If you are pursuing a certain path or goal, observe the well-being of those who have reached its ‘pinnacle.’ If they appear miserable, it may indicate you are climbing the ‘wrong ladder’ and should re-evaluate your direction.

27. Write When A New Person

If you are a writer, consider waiting to create new significant works until you feel you have become a ‘whole other person’ and are so compelled that you ‘can’t not’ write. This ensures the work comes from a place of genuine transformation and new insight.

28. Discuss Generational Trauma Openly

Be willing to openly discuss and process generational trauma and difficult family histories, recognizing this as a valuable contribution to your lineage. This honesty can prevent the perpetuation of unaddressed issues and foster healing for future generations.

29. Journey From Somebody To Nobody

Recognize that the process of personal growth may involve first establishing a sense of ‘somebody’ (a self, an identity) before one can truly experience the liberation of ’nobody’ (no solid, fixed self). This understanding can make the journey less terrifying.

30. Learn Death’s Lessons Now

Consider how understanding the impermanence and non-self aspects often associated with death can make the experience of life itself less terrifying. By integrating these lessons now, you can approach life with greater peace.

My non-negotiable is that I'm trying not to have non-negotiables.

Glennon Doyle

The actual image on social media is proof of the interruption of the beautiful moment.

Glennon Doyle

I don't want to live a life that's not the one I would were I not being observed.

Glennon Doyle

What I thought was my personality was actually just a freaking list of symptoms.

Glennon Doyle

If your entire life is based on discipline, then that means you're a disciple of something. Like, what am I a disciple of?

Glennon Doyle

Whatever is the culture that you're in or the hamster wheel you're on that requires you not to feel your own feelings or, you know, indulge your own exhaustion or be fully human, that's probably something you're being sold. It's benefiting somebody else.

Glennon Doyle

The idea that maybe there is no self for me to discover and that maybe there's just life to live feels like a terrifying relief.

Glennon Doyle

You have to be somebody before you can become nobody.

Dan Harris

Glennon Doyle's Initial Anorexia Recovery Protocol

Glennon Doyle
  1. Eat three meals a day.
  2. Completely step off the 'wheel' of constant activity (e.g., stop traveling, speaking) for a year to notice how you truly feel and what you want.
  3. Go for a walk every single morning to allow suppressed memories and family-of-origin issues to rise.
  4. Consciously shift language from 'I have a body' to 'I am a body' to foster a sense of integration and recognize bodily wisdom.
  5. Remove clothes that act as an 'outside police force' (i.e., too tight garments) from one's closet, replacing them with comfortable items that don't provide external feedback.
  6. Allow the 'little part of myself' that feels angry or hurt to be heard and express itself, even if it involves vilifying past actions, as a necessary step before reaching a wider, more compassionate perspective.
1 year
Duration of Glennon Doyle's latest anorexia recovery At the time of the interview
1 year
Duration Glennon Doyle had not done interviews outside her own podcast Except for one six months prior to the interview
47 years old
Age Glennon Doyle discovered the wisdom of her body and intuitive living At the time of the interview
At least 30%
Estimated increase in happiness from stopping social media Glennon Doyle's personal estimate