Improving your skill of emotional regulation (with Shireen Rizvi)

Dec 31, 2025 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Shireen Rizvi discusses how to find effective therapy, distinguishing quality CBT/DBT from supportive talk. She highlights the importance of manualized treatments, balancing acceptance and change, and learning skills like radical acceptance and validation for lasting mental health improvements.

At a Glance
13 Insights
1h 8m Duration
14 Topics
10 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Why Therapy Fails and Therapist Quality

Common Factors vs. Evidence-Based Manualized Treatments

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for Depression and Anxiety

Fragmented Healthcare: Medication vs. Therapy Decisions

Introducing Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and its Origins

DBT's Core Principles: Acceptance and Dialectical Balance

Relevance of DBT Beyond Borderline Personality Disorder

Challenges and Support for DBT Therapists

Dialectics as a Tool for Non-Judgmental Thinking

Radical Acceptance: Distinguishing Pain from Suffering

The Skill of Validation in Interpersonal Relationships

Self-Validation and Self-Compassion

Balancing Acceptance and Change as a Central Life Task

Resources for Learning DBT Skills

Common Factors (in therapy)

These are universal elements across different therapies, such as the therapeutic alliance, empathy, listening, and validation. While important as a foundation, they may not be sufficient for individuals with more severe mental health problems.

Dodo Bird Hypothesis

This hypothesis suggests that all types of therapy are equally effective, implying that the specific modality doesn't matter as much as other factors. However, later studies have challenged this, indicating that manualized, evidence-based treatments are generally more effective.

Manualized Treatments

These are standardized therapy protocols, often outlined in a book or manual, that provide a clear structure for how to conduct the therapy. While structured, they still allow therapists flexibility to customize the approach based on the client's specific needs.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)

CBT focuses on the idea that our thoughts and interpretations of situations affect how we feel and behave. It teaches individuals to evaluate and change unhelpful thought patterns and behaviors to improve their emotional state.

Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT)

A form of CBT, DBT was developed by Marsha Linehan to address severe emotion dysregulation, particularly in suicidal individuals with borderline personality disorder. It integrates traditional CBT's focus on change with an emphasis on acceptance and a dialectical balance between the two.

Emotion Dysregulation

This refers to experiencing strong emotions that feel out of control, leading to problems in behavior (e.g., lashing out, substance use) or general misery. DBT assumes that many mental health problems stem from emotion dysregulation.

Skills Deficit Model (in DBT)

This model posits that individuals struggle with mental health problems because they lack specific skills to respond differently to difficult situations or emotions. DBT's approach is to teach these missing skills, making it widely applicable across various disorders.

Dialectics

In DBT, dialectics refers to the concept of holding two seemingly contradictory truths at the same time, such as accepting a situation while also working to change it. It encourages moving beyond black-and-white thinking to see complexity and multiple perspectives.

Radical Acceptance

A DBT skill that involves completely and totally accepting a moment or situation exactly as it is, recognizing that it could not be any other way. This practice helps reduce suffering, which is often added to pain by non-acceptance or resistance to reality.

Validation (in DBT)

Validation is the act of communicating understanding and acknowledgment of another person's (or one's own) thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. It's taught as an interpersonal skill to improve communication and relationships, and also as a self-skill to foster self-compassion.

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Why might therapy not work for someone?

Therapy might not work due to a poor match between the client and therapist, or because the therapist is not delivering high-quality, evidence-based treatment. Many therapists may not be adequately trained in specific effective modalities.

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What are 'common factors' in therapy?

Common factors are universal elements across different therapies, such as the therapeutic alliance (relationship between therapist and client), empathy, listening, and validation. They are considered a necessary foundation for effective treatment.

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What is the 'dodo bird hypothesis' in therapy?

The dodo bird hypothesis suggests that all therapies work equally well, implying that the specific type of therapy is less important than other factors. However, subsequent research has largely contradicted this, showing manualized, evidence-based treatments are more effective.

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What are manualized treatments in therapy?

Manualized treatments are standardized therapy protocols that have been studied and found effective for specific problems like depression or anxiety. They provide a structured approach, ensuring consistency and effectiveness, though therapists still apply them flexibly.

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How does Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) work?

CBT helps people learn to evaluate and change their interpretations or thoughts about situations, as these thoughts directly affect how they feel. By changing unhelpful thought patterns, individuals can change their emotional responses.

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Why is the US mental healthcare system 'bizarrely fragmented'?

The system is fragmented because patients often receive care from psychiatrists and therapists who do not communicate or integrate their approaches. This leads to treatment decisions being made by chance (e.g., seeing a psychiatrist first means medication, a therapist first means therapy) rather than a thoughtful, coordinated plan.

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Is medication a better or easier solution than therapy for depression/anxiety?

While medication can be easier in the short term, its effects typically only last while it's being taken. Therapy teaches people tools and new behaviors that can lead to longer-lasting changes, as these skills remain even after therapy ends.

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What is Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and how does it relate to CBT?

DBT is a form of CBT that adds components of acceptance and a dialectical balance between change and acceptance. It was developed for individuals with severe emotion dysregulation and borderline personality disorder, expanding on traditional CBT's focus on change.

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How is DBT relevant for people without Borderline Personality Disorder?

DBT is relevant because its core assumptions — that problems stem from emotion dysregulation and skills deficits — apply to many people. Its skills-based approach can help individuals across various problems like eating disorders, depression, anxiety, and even autism.

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What are the challenges of being a DBT therapist?

Working with individuals with severe emotion dysregulation and chaotic interpersonal relationships can be highly stressful, leading to burnout. DBT addresses this by requiring therapists to participate in a consultation team for support, skill improvement, and a team-based approach to client care.

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How does the concept of 'dialectics' apply to everyday life?

Dialectics involves recognizing and balancing two seemingly contradictory truths, such as acknowledging valid feelings while also questioning the accuracy of an interpretation. It helps move beyond black-and-white thinking, fostering non-judgmental interpretations and a more complex view of situations.

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What is radical acceptance and how does it reduce suffering?

Radical acceptance is the complete and total acceptance of a moment or situation exactly as it is, acknowledging that it could not be any other way. It reduces suffering by preventing the 'second arrow' of pain that comes from resisting or refusing to accept reality, distinguishing it from the inevitable 'first arrow' of pain.

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What is validation in DBT and why is it important?

Validation is communicating understanding and acknowledgment of another person's (or one's own) thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. It's crucial for effective interpersonal communication, making others feel understood and more receptive, and also for developing self-compassion.

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How does self-validation relate to self-compassion?

Self-validation, the act of acknowledging and understanding one's own feelings and experiences (e.g., 'it makes sense that I feel this way'), often leads to self-compassion. The goal of validation is to feel understood, and compassion naturally follows from that understanding and care for oneself.

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What is the central task of living according to DBT?

The central task of living is balancing acceptance and change. Much everyday suffering comes from either not changing something that could be changed or not accepting something that cannot be controlled. Recognizing what can be changed versus what must be accepted is key to getting 'unstuck' and reducing misery.

1. Balance Acceptance & Change

Actively assess what you can change in a situation and what you must accept, as being stuck in non-acceptance or not changing solvable problems leads to suffering. This dialectical approach helps to get unstuck from misery by finding what you can influence and what you cannot.

2. Practice Radical Acceptance

Completely and totally accept the present moment or situation exactly as it is, recognizing that it could not be any other way. This reduces suffering by preventing you from adding to inevitable pain through non-acceptance or wishing things were different.

3. Validate Your Own Feelings

Practice self-validation by acknowledging that your feelings make sense, even if the situation’s interpretation might be inaccurate or the feelings are intense. This fosters self-compassion and helps prevent self-invalidation through critical ‘should’ statements.

4. Practice Interpersonal Validation

Communicate understanding and acknowledgment of others’ thoughts, feelings, and behaviors, especially in challenging interactions. This makes others feel understood, increasing the likelihood of effective communication and cooperation.

5. Address Skills Deficits

View mental health problems as a result of emotion dysregulation and a lack of learned skills. Focus on acquiring new skills to respond differently to emotions and situations, rather than just talking about problems, to create lasting change.

6. Seek Goal-Oriented Therapy

Look for therapists who use manualized, evidence-based treatments with clear, agreed-upon goals and assign homework. This structured approach is more likely to lead to comprehensive and effective changes, as opposed to unstructured talk therapy.

7. Evaluate Therapy Quality

If therapy isn’t working, consider if the problem is with the therapist-client match or the type of therapy being delivered. Be wary of therapists who list too many diverse approaches, as this can indicate a scattered, less effective treatment strategy.

8. Prioritize Therapy for Lasting Change

Understand that while medication can alleviate symptoms, therapy teaches tools and new behaviors that lead to longer-lasting effects, even after treatment ends. Consider therapy as a primary approach for durable gains because it equips you with skills.

9. Consider Medication for Severity

For severe mental health challenges, explore medication as it can help stabilize symptoms and potentially enhance the effectiveness of therapy. However, ensure underlying life problems are also addressed rather than solely relying on medication as a quick fix.

10. Plan Difficult Conversations

Use structured communication skills like DEAR MAN (Describe, Express, Assert, Reinforce, Mindful, Appear Confident, Negotiate) to plan challenging interpersonal interactions. Writing out the steps in advance increases effectiveness and reduces impulsive reactions.

11. Practice Non-Judgmental Thinking

Avoid black-and-white thinking by consciously incorporating other aspects of a situation to form a non-judgmental interpretation. This helps to see things as more complex and reduces getting stuck in negative emotional ruts.

12. Check the Facts

Actively assess whether your thoughts or interpretations align with the objective facts of a situation. This skill helps challenge inaccurate assumptions and promotes a more dialectical, nuanced understanding of events.

13. Learn DBT Skills

Explore resources like the ‘Real Skills for Real Life’ book or the animated skills videos on youtube.com/dbtru to learn practical Dialectical Behavior Therapy skills. These resources teach user-friendly ways to practice emotion regulation, interpersonal effectiveness, and distress tolerance.

most people don't get quality therapy and so if therapy doesn't work for them or if they think therapy doesn't work for them that could be a problem with the match between them and their therapist or with the therapy the type of therapy that the therapist is doing.

Shireen Rizvi

many of these therapies have different worldviews that inform them and if you are using strategies from a variety of different approaches you are not consistently following a specific worldview and in my mind that means it's going to be really hard to make comprehensive changes and help the person reach their goals effectively.

Shireen Rizvi

the effects of medication only last while you're taking the medication... therapy teaches people tools to change how they behave and respond and those would in essence be longer lasting because even when they stop therapy it's presumed that you still have the tools and the new behavior available to you.

Shireen Rizvi

you haven't caused all of your problems but you're the one who has to solve them.

Shireen Rizvi

Pain is inevitable, pain is a part of life we're all going to feel pain and actually a lot of the problems we experience is when we try to escape pain because we often try to escape pain in pretty ineffective ways so pain is an inevitable part of life and we often add to our pain when we refuse to accept something.

Shireen Rizvi

it makes sense that I feel this way because when you experience criticism it's painful.

Shireen Rizvi

Cognitive Therapy for Depression (Example)

Shireen Rizvi
  1. Evaluate your interpretations or thoughts regarding a situation.
  2. Work on changing your interpretations or thoughts.
  3. Observe how changing your interpretations or thoughts affects how you feel about something.

DEAR MAN Skill (for Interpersonal Effectiveness)

Shireen Rizvi
  1. Describe the situation.
  2. Express how you feel about it.
  3. Assert specifically what it is that you want from the person.
  4. Reinforce (state a reward or appreciation that would happen if you were to get the thing you're looking for).
15 or 20
Number of different types of therapies some therapists list Considered a 'red flag' by Dr. Rizvi, suggesting a scattered approach rather than deep expertise.
225 pages
Length of the original DBT skills manual Described as potentially overwhelming for those not in DBT therapy.
25 years ago
Years Dr. Rizvi has been learning DBT skills Indicates long-term experience with the skills.