The FTX catastrophe (with Byrne Hobart, Vipul Naik, Maomao Hu, Marcus Abramovich, and Ozzie Gooen)

Nov 28, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

This episode delves into the collapse of FTX and Alameda Research, founded by Sam Bankman-Fried, detailing the timeline, potential causes (fraud vs. sloppiness), and ethical implications for the crypto and effective altruism communities. Guests Byrne Hobart, Vipal Monga, Matt Levine, Marcus Abramovitch, and Ozzy Gouin offer diverse perspectives.

At a Glance
19 Insights
3h 24m Duration
20 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to FTX Collapse and Spencer's Early Interactions with SBF

Founding of Alameda Research and Early Internal Disputes

SBF's 'Earning to Give' Philosophy and Alameda's Initial Mismanagement

SBF's Management Philosophy and the Launch of FTX

Alameda's Shifting Trading Strategy and Yield Farming Practices

The Close Intermingling of FTX and Alameda Research

FTX's Peak Valuation, SBF's Wealth, and Investor Due Diligence

The FTX Future Fund and Initial Concerns About Alameda's Balance Sheet

Binance's FTT Liquidation and the Resulting Bank Run on FTX

SBF's False Assurances and the Unbalanced Balance Sheet Revelation

FTX Halts Withdrawals, Caroline Ellison's Explanation, and Failed Binance Deal

Allegations of Hacking, System Backdoors, and Insider Accounts of Losses

SBF's Controversial Vox Interview and Alameda's Loans to SBF

New CEO John J. Ray III's Assessment of Corporate Controls

SBF's Explicit Philosophy on Extreme Risk-Taking

Byrne Hobart's Analysis: Fraud, Operational Sloppiness, and Regulation

Vipul Naik's Perspective: Ethical Failures and Utility Functions

Maomao Hu's Speculations on Alameda's Market Manipulation Tactics

Marcus Abramovitch's Early Warnings and Lessons for EA Risk Management

Ozzy Gooen's View: FTX's Impact on the EA Community and Funder Vetting

Yield Farming

Yield farming is a method of earning rewards or interest by depositing cryptocurrency into a pool with other users. The pooled funds are used to carry out smart contracts, such as cryptocurrency lending, that generate interest in return.

Market Maker

A market maker provides liquidity by offering to buy and sell an asset at specified prices, creating a two-sided market. They profit from the spread between the buy and sell prices, facilitating transactions for other traders.

Toxic Flow

Toxic flow refers to trading orders, often large market orders like liquidations, that are likely to cause losses for market makers. These orders can push prices quickly, making it difficult for market makers to maintain their desired trading range without significant losses.

Ponzi Scheme Economics

This concept describes a situation where a company burns actual cash in one area to create new valuation in another, then uses that inflated valuation to raise more money. This cycle can continue with some of the new money being recycled to sustain the initial loss-making activity, creating a deceptive appearance of growth.

Linear vs. Logarithmic Utility

In finance and ethics, linear utility assumes that each additional unit of money provides the same amount of benefit, while logarithmic utility suggests that the benefit of additional money diminishes as one's wealth increases. SBF advocated for a linear utility function, especially for altruistic impact, which implies a willingness to take extreme risks for high potential gains.

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What were the most ethically questionable aspects of FTX's collapse?

The most ethically questionable actions involved gambling large amounts of customer funds, moving them from FTX to Alameda, printing their own token, and a continuing pattern of these practices, regardless of legal standing.

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Is altruistic value linear or diminishing with money?

While personal utility for money diminishes quickly, SBF argued for a linear utility function for altruistic impact. However, experts argue that even altruistic impact experiences diminishing returns as the best opportunities are funded first.

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What explains the missing money from FTX?

The missing money is attributed to Alameda Research losing funds through speculative trading, potentially during the crypto market meltdown, and then FTX transferring customer money to Alameda to cover these losses.

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Could the EA community have detected red flags about SBF's behavior earlier?

In retrospect, there were early red flags, such as a significant rift and animosity among Alameda's co-founders over risk management and business ethics, which could have been investigated more thoroughly.

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How did the FTT token contribute to the collapse?

FTT, FTX's native token, was heavily used as collateral by Alameda for loans. Its value was inflated by FTX's revenue-based buybacks, and its illiquidity meant it could not be sold to cover debts without crashing its price, creating a critical vulnerability.

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What is the right model for SBF's behavior?

Theories range from bad moral character, to misguided utilitarianism, to typical human flaws exacerbated by extreme situations and lack of pushback. Many in the EA community lean towards typical human flaws.

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What are the chances Sam Bankman-Fried goes to prison?

While not a legal expert, Byrne Hobart suggests a very good chance due to the scale of money lost and fair culpability, whether through incompetence or fraud, with potential charges like wire fraud.

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What should vetting of large funders look like for EA organizations?

Ideally, organizations should investigate funders, especially if they appear sketchy or seek influence. However, this is complicated when the funder is the organization's creator, leading to conflicts of interest and a potential diffusion of responsibility.

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How could FTX produce financial statements in such a state of disarray?

The new CEO noted a 'complete failure of corporate controls' and lack of trustworthy financial information, suggesting either extreme operational sloppiness or deliberate fraud involving separate, misleading balance sheets or temporary asset transfers for audits.

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Is using customer assets for trading illegal?

In the U.S., it is 'totally, totally illegal' for financial intermediaries to use customer assets without disclosure and strict separation. The legality in the Bahamas, where FTX was based, is less clear to the guest, but it violated FTX's own terms of service.

1. Segregate Customer Funds Strictly

Maintain a strict separation between customer assets and company money to prevent operational collapse or opportunities for fraud, ensuring transparency and accountability.

2. Assess Catastrophic Downside Risks

When making high-stakes decisions, thoroughly consider and model the catastrophic negative utility of ‘going to zero’ or total destruction, rather than solely focusing on potential upsides.

3. Don’t Collateralize with Own Equity

Avoid complicated financial arrangements where your company’s economic stability or trading activities depend on using your own company’s stock or token as collateral, as this creates highly correlated and fragile risk.

4. Understand Rules Before Breaking

When encountering seemingly ‘stupid’ or annoying industry rules, first investigate their historical reasons and purpose before attempting to circumvent them, as they often exist to prevent major problems.

5. Strengthen Corporate Controls

Implement robust corporate controls, hire sufficient accountants, conduct regular audits, and establish clear processes to prevent colossal operational sloppiness, especially in complicated businesses.

6. Distrust Centralized, Opaque Systems

Be highly skeptical of complicated systems controlled by a single, opaque entity that asks for blind trust, as it can be very difficult to detect fraud or mismanagement.

7. Separate Financial Business Functions

Avoid consolidating multiple distinct financial functions (e.g., exchange, clearinghouse, prime broker, market maker) into a single entity, as this creates conflicts of interest and correlated risks.

8. Never Risk Others’ Assets

Refrain from making large gambles or taking extreme risks with other people’s money or assets, as this constitutes fraud and can cause immense harm to many individuals.

9. Challenge Linear Altruistic Utility

Critically evaluate the assumption that altruistic impact scales linearly with money, as diminishing returns typically apply even to charitable giving, meaning each additional dollar may do less good than the previous.

10. Anticipate Panic and Cover-Ups

When assessing the risks of large bets, proactively model the likelihood that you or others will panic and engage in immoral cover-up behaviors when facing catastrophic losses, escalating the damage.

11. Conduct Incident Post-Mortems

Systematically conduct post-mortems for all incidents, even minor ones or those not directly your fault, to identify areas for improvement and prevent future, potentially larger, failures.

12. Evaluate Advice Critically

Avoid blindly accepting or rejecting advice from prominent figures based solely on their reputation; instead, evaluate ideas from first principles, considering potential conflicts of interest.

13. Monitor Key Personnel Exits

View the departure of key players from a company, especially in volatile industries, as a potential negative signal for the market or the company’s stability, prompting a re-evaluation of your involvement.

14. Respond to Early Red Flags

Take early warning signs, such as leaked financial documents or internal commotion, seriously and consider taking low-cost protective actions like removing assets, even if the probability of disaster seems low.

15. Vet Organizational Funders

Organizations, especially those heavily reliant on a single source or receiving large, influential funding, must establish clear responsibilities and methods for conducting due diligence and ongoing monitoring of their funders.

16. Uphold High Ethical Standards

Communities and organizations, particularly those with a mission to do good, should strive to maintain an exemplary standard of ethics, exceeding average levels in their respective fields.

17. Scrutinize Funder Intentions

If a new funder seems sketchy or seeks significant power/influence (e.g., board seats), conduct serious investigation before accepting their support, as this can compromise your organization’s autonomy and integrity.

18. Diversify Funding Sources

Avoid over-reliance on a single funding source; understand the reliability of each source and diversify to mitigate risks associated with sudden funding changes or losses.

19. Take Personal Career Risks

While avoiding risks with others’ money, consider taking calculated career risks with your own time and effort, as this can be a sound strategy for personal growth and impact.

Yeah, just PR. Fuck regulators. They make everything worse. They don't protect customers at all.

Sam Bankman-Fried

Never in my career have I seen such a complete failure of corporate controls and such a complete absence of trustworthy financial information as occurred here...

John J. Ray III

Of course, those people are lame and not EAs. This blog endorses double-or-nothing coin flips and high leverage.

Caroline Ellison

Money came in, but then when customers came to FTX and pried open the doors of the safe, all they found were cobwebs and Serum, where did the money go?

Matt Levine

Personally, I remember telling at least a handful of people at the time that Sam belonged in a jail cell, but I expect that people thought I was being hyperbolic, which was entirely fair.

Former Alameda Employee

And it turns out that that fucker was playing League of Legends through the entire meeting.

Sequoia Capital Partner

I fucked up, big, multiple times. You know what was maybe my single biggest fuck-up? The one thing everyone told me to do. Everything would be 70% fixed right now if I hadn't. Chapter 11.

Sam Bankman-Fried

It's amazing how quickly things can go south if organizational shit is not in a good state.

Sam Bankman-Fried
$26 billion
Sam Bankman-Fried's peak net worth According to Wikipedia.
94%
Sam Bankman-Fried's net worth drop In a single day, dropping to $991.5 million, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.
$18 billion
FTX valuation in July 2021 After raising $900 million from over 60 investors.
Over 1 million
Number of FTX users impacted Many of whom had their hard-earned savings disappear.
$140 million
Total donations by FTX Foundation As of last month, with $90 million dedicated to the FTX Future Fund for long-term causes.
negative $8 billion
Alameda Research's 'hidden' fiat account balance An entry on a hastily assembled balance sheet, described as 'poorly internally labeled'.
roughly $5 billion
FTX withdrawals on a single Sunday The largest by a huge margin, according to Sam Bankman-Fried.
$1 billion to $2 billion
Estimated missing customer funds (Reuters) Reuters reported at least $1 billion missing, with sources estimating the gap between $1 billion and $2 billion.
$10 billion
Customer funds secretly transferred from FTX to Alameda According to Reuters sources, a large portion of which has since disappeared.
More than $600 million
Amount siphoned from FTX's crypto wallets after bankruptcy filing Reported by Coindesk, leading FTX to warn users of a hack and malware.
$1 billion
Alameda Research loan to Sam Bankman-Fried A personal loan revealed in bankruptcy filings.
$50,000
Sam Bankman-Fried's hypothetical bet size On a bet with $100,000 capital, a 10% win chance, and a 10,000x payout, despite the Kelly Criterion suggesting $10,000.