Why it's so hard to have confidence that charities are doing good (with Elie Hassenfeld)

Mar 16, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Spencer Greenberg speaks with Ellie Hassenfeld, co-founder of GiveWell, about evaluating charity effectiveness. They discuss GiveWell's rigorous approach to identifying high-impact giving opportunities in low and middle-income countries, the philosophical challenges of comparing different types of good, and the complexities of evidence evaluation.

At a Glance
12 Insights
1h 55m Duration
18 Topics
7 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

GiveWell's Mission and Differentiated Approach to Charity Evaluation

Focusing on Few Charities and Capacity Constraints

Navigating Moral Weights and Trade-offs Between Outcomes

GiveWell's Evolving Valuation of Health Interventions

Disability-Adjusted Life Years (DALYs) and Age Weighting

Significant Error in Deworming Cost-Effectiveness Calculations

Reasons for Limited Explicit Cost-Effectiveness Analysis in Charity

GiveWell's Expected Value Framework and Program Uncertainty

GiveWell's Approach Compared to Open Philanthropy's Hits-Based Giving

Why Expected Value Estimates Tend to Decrease with More Evidence

GiveWell's Consideration of Second-Order Effects

The Power Law Distribution of Charity Impact

Challenges in Evaluating Overall Charity Effectiveness

Why the Venture Capital Analogy Doesn't Fully Apply to Charity

Advice for Effective Giving Beyond GiveWell's Recommendations

GiveWell's Stance on Animal Welfare and Unfunded Opportunities

How GiveWell Changes Charity Recommendations and Influences Programs

Addressing Donor Concerns About Counterfactual Funding and Over-Quantification

GiveWell's Approach to Charity Evaluation

GiveWell focuses on a small number of charities in low and middle-income countries that demonstrate significant evidence of impact and cost-effectiveness. They prioritize how organizations will use additional money, rather than just past performance, aiming to direct funds where they will do the most good.

Moral Weights

This refers to the challenging process of establishing an 'exchange rate' between different positive outcomes, such as increasing someone's income versus averting a death. GiveWell uses a synthesis of academic literature, surveys of beneficiaries and donors, and empirical analysis to arrive at these trade-offs, acknowledging there is no single 'right' answer.

Disability-Adjusted Life Year (DALI)

A framework used in global health to quantify the burden of disease, allowing for comparison between programs that avert deaths and those that improve health. It accounts for years of life lost due to premature death and years lived with disability, assigning a 'disability weight' to non-fatal conditions.

Age Weighting (in DALYs)

GiveWell adjusts the standard DALY framework by applying age weights, particularly for the very young. This reflects an intuition that the moral weight of a very young person increases rapidly in their first few years, meaning the death of an infant might be considered less tragic than that of an older child, despite having more years of life remaining.

Expected Value Framework

GiveWell uses an expected value framework to evaluate charitable interventions, meaning they consider the probability of different outcomes multiplied by the value of those outcomes. This allows them to recommend programs with significant uncertainty but potentially huge impact, even if the most likely outcome is more modest.

Room for More Funding

This concept refers to the capacity of effective programs to absorb additional donations while maintaining their high impact. GiveWell actively seeks out programs that can effectively utilize large sums of money, as running up against capacity limits is a challenge in directing significant funds.

Developmental Effects

These are second-order benefits of health interventions, such as improved life outcomes (e.g., higher income) resulting from better health and wellness in early childhood. GiveWell includes these in their impact estimates, recognizing that they can contribute a substantial portion of a program's overall good.

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How does GiveWell's approach to charity evaluation differ from other organizations like Charity Navigator?

GiveWell focuses on a small number of highly impactful charities, primarily in low and middle-income countries, that can effectively use additional funding, rather than attempting to rate a vast number of organizations. They prioritize evidence of impact and cost-effectiveness.

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Why does GiveWell recommend such a small number of charities?

GiveWell's goal is to find where charitable dollars will have the highest return on investment, not to build a comprehensive database. They prioritize depth of impact and the capacity of a few programs (like malaria prevention) to absorb large amounts of funding effectively, even if it means fewer recommendations.

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How does GiveWell handle the philosophical challenge of trading off different types of good, like saving lives versus increasing well-being?

GiveWell uses a synthesized approach, drawing on academic literature (e.g., valuing a statistical life), surveys of people in low-income countries and donors, and empirical analysis of cash transfers to create an 'exchange rate' between outcomes, acknowledging there's no single 'right' answer.

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Why has GiveWell increased its preference for health-related causes over time?

GiveWell's shift towards valuing health more highly relative to income has come from a synthesis of all their inputs, including donor surveys, beneficiary preference studies, and empirical work, which consistently pointed in that direction over the last decade.

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How does GiveWell use Disability-Adjusted Life Years (DALYs) in its work?

GiveWell heavily relies on DALYs for assessing the burden of disease and comparing health programs, generally adopting the disability weights for conditions. However, they adjust DALYs with age weights for the very young, reflecting an intuition that the moral value of a person increases rapidly in their first few years of life.

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Why do so few charitable organizations use explicit cost-effectiveness analysis to guide their giving?

Many donors have motivations beyond maximizing impact (e.g., local giving, social signaling). Additionally, conducting credible cost-effectiveness analysis is extremely difficult due to complex factors like displacement of other funding, and some argue that such blunt instruments miss critical aspects of impact.

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How confident is GiveWell in the impact of its recommended charities, especially those like deworming?

GiveWell operates within an expected value framework, meaning they consider programs with significant uncertainty but potential for huge impact (like deworming). While some recommendations offer high confidence, others, like deworming, are considered 'great expected value bets' despite a higher likelihood of having limited impact compared to their maximum potential.

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Why do expected value calculations for charitable interventions often decrease as more information is gathered?

Initial cost-effectiveness estimates tend to be optimistic, often implicitly assuming everything goes perfectly. As more investigation occurs, numerous potential failure points (e.g., implementation issues, specific contextual factors, simple calculation errors) are uncovered, which tend to reduce the estimated impact.

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How does GiveWell consider second-order effects in its cost-effectiveness analysis?

GiveWell aims to model second-order effects (e.g., developmental benefits of improved health, displacement of other funding) when they are substantial, but they acknowledge limits to how far they can go. They use the model as a practical tool for ordering opportunities, prioritizing clarity and usability over exhaustive, overly complex modeling.

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What is the typical impact distribution of charities, particularly those focused on helping the very poor?

GiveWell's experience suggests a power law distribution, where the very best organizations have a massively outsized effect. A donation to the best GiveWell-recommended charities can be 10 times more impactful than giving to GiveDirectly (which is itself about 100 times better than an average US charity for poverty reduction).

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Why is it so difficult to determine the overall effectiveness of a charity?

Information is often tracked at a project level rather than an aggregate organizational level, and publicly available reports are frequently more marketing than technical evaluation. Charities are often understaffed, and conducting rigorous, counterfactual-aware evaluations requires significant time, money, and participation from the charity, which many donors do not demand.

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Why doesn't GiveWell adopt a venture capital-like 'spray and pray' approach, funding many small, high-risk projects?

The biggest challenge is that, unlike venture capital where financial returns clearly indicate success, it's very difficult to know which charitable programs have truly succeeded after the fact without extensive, costly evaluation. This makes it hard to identify and scale up the 'winners' in a diversified portfolio.

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What should someone do if they want to give effectively but cannot give to GiveWell's recommended charities?

Consider giving to organizations that align with GiveWell's moral values (e.g., helping the poorest people in the world). Also, leverage personal connections to support small, trusted funding needs where one has high confidence in the individuals involved, as GiveWell doesn't evaluate such small-scale opportunities.

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Does GiveWell consider funding animal welfare charities?

While Elie Hassenfeld personally believes animals deserve significant moral weight, GiveWell does not focus on animal welfare. This is primarily because they believe other organizations, like Open Philanthropy's farm animal welfare team and Animal Charity Evaluators, have a comparative advantage in that area, and GiveWell focuses its efforts on international giving where it believes it adds the most value.

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Does quantification sometimes go too far in charity evaluation, leading to misleading results?

Yes, over-quantification can be problematic due to over-reliance on numbers from complex spreadsheets that may have wide uncertainty ranges or sensitive assumptions. GiveWell addresses this by always considering a simple, qualitative case for a grant as a gut check, and by simplifying models to avoid being overly reliant on a single set of numbers.

1. Maximize Giving Impact

Prioritize maximizing impact in charitable giving by focusing on organizations with strong evidence of effectiveness, high cost-effectiveness (good per dollar), and the ability to absorb additional funds to do more good.

2. Focus on Few Charities

Instead of spreading donations across many charities, concentrate giving on a small number of highly effective organizations where impact can be reasonably confident, as this approach aims to maximize the good accomplished per dollar.

3. Use Expected Value Framework

When evaluating giving opportunities, adopt an expected value framework where a small chance of huge impact is weighed equally against a high chance of moderate impact, rather than solely seeking high-confidence outcomes.

4. Prioritize Poorest People

To maximize charitable impact, prioritize giving to the poorest people in the world, as a dollar can often have a significantly greater beneficial effect on their lives compared to those in wealthier countries.

5. Skepticism for Initial Estimates

Approach initial, quick cost-effectiveness estimates with skepticism, as deeper investigation often reveals complexities and potential failure points that reduce the perceived impact, leading to lower final estimates.

6. Recognize Brittleness of Good

Understand that achieving significant positive impact is ‘brittle,’ requiring many factors to align correctly. Be aware that programs can fail in numerous unforeseen ways, and initial optimistic assumptions often overlook these potential pitfalls.

7. Invest in Charity Evaluation

Advocate for and invest in rigorous evaluation of charitable programs. High-quality evidence is crucial for identifying exceptionally effective interventions (20x, 30x, 100x better) in a world where impact is often power-law distributed, making it worthwhile over the long run.

8. Multiple Angles for Morality

When facing complex moral trade-offs (e.g., valuing lives saved vs. well-being), approach the problem from multiple angles, synthesizing academic literature, surveys of affected populations and donors, and empirical analysis, recognizing there’s no single ‘right’ answer and continuous updating is necessary.

9. Combine Quant & Qual Evaluation

To avoid the pitfalls of over-quantification, always combine detailed quantitative models with a qualitative ‘gut check’ and simplified models. Ask if a decision would still make sense without the numbers to ensure critical thinking and prevent over-reliance on potentially flawed numerical outputs.

10. Support Known Small Needs

For personal giving, especially for smaller amounts, consider leveraging your personal network to support individuals or small projects you know well, as these opportunities might not be visible to larger evaluators and your personal trust can be a valuable asset.

11. Understand Donor Motivations

Reflect on your own motivations for giving. Recognize that factors like social signaling, local community ties, tangible results, and ‘warm fuzzies’ often influence giving more than pure impact maximization. Be aware of these biases if your goal is to maximize good.

12. Consider Animal Welfare

Acknowledge that animals deserve significant moral consideration. If you are interested in effective giving, consider organizations focused on animal welfare, even if they are not the primary focus of human-centric evaluators.

We are not trying to be a database of charities. We're not trying to offer a objective or a fair rating to every charity that exists in the world or even every charity that works internationally. Instead, we're trying to figure out how to get that money to the places that will do the most.

Elie Hassenfeld

I think the most important point to make is that this is not a question where we feel like we have the right answer, quote unquote, or one could have the right answer because it relies on unanswerable questions.

Elie Hassenfeld

The correct framing for GiveWell is we're trying to maximize impact, and we're working within an expected value framework. And it's that rather than so we're going to treat 10% chance of 100 as the same as 100% chance of 10. We're not aiming at, quote, high confidence giving, we're aiming for maximizing impact, you know, within some constraints giving.

Elie Hassenfeld

I think there's basically infinite ways that programs can fail. And so for some reason, you know, the initial calculation often takes into account, it's kind of like, I'm not sure this is the right analogy, but planning fallacy seems like the right analogy where you almost imagine you think you're taking the median expectation, but really you're just assuming everything goes perfectly.

Elie Hassenfeld

I think the thing that somewhat, I'm not totally sure I understand, but it's somewhat surprising, is that we're, you know, you find there's all these things that have to go right to have the impact. But why aren't there, you know, other surprises that are positive?

Spencer Greenberg

I think there's a decided lack of inarguable evidence about the impact you're having or not having.

Elie Hassenfeld

I think a huge amount of the impact comes from choosing to help some of the poorest people in the world. You know, maybe that's moving you from getting you like 100 times the impact you'd get of just helping like average person, you know, average poor person in America. And then, you know, the choosing the best thing there, you know, also can sort of differ, maybe, you know, at the current margin, by a factor of 10.

Elie Hassenfeld
$500 million
GiveWell's funds directed annually In 2021, to high-impact giving opportunities
something more like 20 organizations
Number of organizations GiveWell recommended To which the majority of $500M went in 2021
more than 500,000
Malaria deaths per year Worldwide, due to insufficient funding
1x cash
Cost-effectiveness of GiveDirectly As a baseline for giving cash to very poor people
around 10x cash
Cost-effectiveness of GiveWell's malaria recommendations About 10 times as good as giving cash
40 to 50 cents
Displacement rate of GiveWell's malaria funding Of another funder's money displaced per dollar GiveWell directs
25%
Reduction in child mortality from vitamin A supplementation Found in 7 randomized trials in the 80s and 90s
factor of up to 100
Error factor in deworming cost-effectiveness calculation Original calculation was $3.40, corrected to $341
roughly speaking, 50 percent
Percentage of child deaths in low-income countries before one month of age A significant portion of child mortality
50 percent of the value of a five year old
GiveWell's current age weighting for a one-month-old In their moral weight framework for DALYs
50x or so
GiveWell's best dollars spent 50 times as good as giving cash, for a small amount of money in 2021
around 8x
GiveWell's last dollar spent 8 times as good as giving cash, for the marginal dollar in 2021
about 100 times lower
Median income in sub-Saharan Africa compared to US Highlighting the potential for greater impact per dollar
$500 million
Open Philanthropy's commitment to GiveWell recommendations Committed for 2022
as much as a billion dollars
GiveWell's projected funds to direct By 2025