How Notion leveraged community to build a $10B business | Camille Ricketts (Notion, First Round Capital)

Dec 11, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Camille Ricketts, former Head of Marketing at Notion and First Round Capital, discusses community-led growth and content marketing. She shares insights from building Notion's early community and launching the First Round Review, offering tips for effective strategies.

At a Glance
19 Insights
1h 7m Duration
20 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Camille's Career Journey and Early Experiences

Lessons from Working with Elon Musk at Tesla

Early Days at Notion: Culture and Challenges

Defining Community-Led Growth

Measuring Marketing Impact: Net New Website Visitors

Successful Community Efforts at Notion: Ambassadors, Events, Influencers

Why Metrics Aren't Always Necessary for Early Community Growth

When to Invest in Community-Led Growth

How Notion Creators Monetize Through Templates and Consulting

Notion's Ambassador and Champions Programs

Why Founders Should Prioritize Ubiquity Over Immediate Monetization

Companies Excelling in Community Building

Camille's 2x2 Grid for Community Investment

Launching an Ambassador Program

Advice for Founders Building Community

Content Marketing: First Round Review's Impact

Content Market Fit: Understanding Audience Needs

Content Quality and Time Investment

The Future of Comms and Press Relations

Lightning Round

Community-Led Growth

This occurs when a product's community helps it achieve such widespread recognition and usage that it enables the company to expand into larger markets, such as the enterprise, by de-risking the product choice for new customers.

Discovery (vs. Awareness)

Discovery is a more active form of engagement than mere awareness, characterized by a user's intent to actively seek out more information about a product or service after being intrigued or hearing about it multiple times.

Atomic Unit of Sharing

This refers to a product characteristic where it creates something users are inherently excited to share because it allows for self-expression, demonstrates their organization, or showcases their skill, like Notion templates or Figma designs.

Content Market Fit

This concept involves approaching content creation with the same strategic rigor as product development. It requires deeply understanding the target audience's needs, anxieties, and aspirations, then creating content that directly addresses those 'pain points' or 'jobs to be done' to provide genuine value.

Painkiller Content

Content that effectively solves a significant problem, alleviates a major anxiety, or helps people overcome confusion, making it highly valuable and often preferred over 'vitamin' content, which is merely beneficial but not essential.

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What is community-led growth?

Community-led growth is when a product's community helps it achieve such widespread recognition and usage that it enables the company to expand into larger markets, like the enterprise, by de-risking the product choice for new customers.

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How did Notion measure the impact of its marketing and community efforts?

Notion primarily tracked net new visitors to its website month over month, considering this the most instructive metric for understanding increased interest and discovery driven by brand, community, and content efforts.

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When does it make sense to invest in community-led growth?

It's particularly effective for freemium or product-led growth companies, especially if the product has an 'atomic unit of sharing' (something users create and want to show off) or if organic growth is a critical strategy for the business.

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How do Notion creators make money using the platform?

Many Notion creators build revenue-generating businesses by becoming consultants, selling templates, or creating courses around Notion, with some earning significant income, which Notion supports through guides and networks.

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What is the difference between Notion's Champions and Ambassador programs?

Champions are the most passionate users within customer companies, gathered in a Slack instance to foster communication and support, while Ambassadors are passionate individual users who love building with and sharing Notion, often hosting events or creating content.

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Should founders prioritize ubiquity or immediate revenue when building a community?

If ubiquity and word-of-mouth are crucial for long-term success, founders should consider delaying monetization of every small feature to foster enthusiasm and momentum within the community, as this can lead to more options later.

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What type of community initiatives are suitable for different company stages and types?

Camille Ricketts' 2x2 matrix suggests: pre-product market fit/enterprise might use customer advisory boards; product market fit/enterprise might focus on champions and consultants; and product market fit/consumer might emphasize ambassadors and influencers.

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How much time does it take to create high-quality content?

For a First Round Review post, it typically took around eight hours just for the writing phase, after extensive prep work, highlighting the significant time investment required for impactful content that connects dots and pulls out bigger themes.

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Do companies still need a strong PR/Comms team in the age of direct-to-audience communication?

Yes, because traditional press outlets offer incredible megaphones for reaching a broad audience with a stamp of credibility and notice that direct channels often cannot replicate, making a significant difference for discovery and awareness.

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How much should a founder tweet or communicate directly on social media?

A founder's social media communication should align with their personality and what feels authentic, rather than trying to meet a quota of 'scintillating things' to say, as authenticity often leads to more traction.

1. Align Content with Audience Needs

Approach content creation like product development by deeply understanding your target audience’s needs, anxieties, and aspirations, then create content that acts as a “painkiller” to address those specific issues.

2. Prioritize Ubiquity Over Monetization

For long-term success, consider prioritizing ubiquity and word-of-mouth momentum over immediate monetization of every aspect, as a large, enthusiastic user base creates more options later.

3. Community for Freemium/Sharing Products

Invest in community if your product is freemium or has an “atomic unit of sharing” (e.g., templates, creations) that users are proud to showcase, as this fuels aspirational self-expression.

4. Tailor Community to PMF & Market

Depending on your product market fit (PMF) and market (enterprise vs. consumer), tailor your community strategy: use customer advisory boards pre-PMF enterprise, foster champions/consultants post-PMF enterprise, and empower ambassadors/influencers post-PMF consumer.

5. Listen to Community Needs

Avoid a one-size-fits-all approach; instead, actively listen to community members through one-on-one or small group conversations to understand their motivations and how to improve their experience, then follow their lead.

6. Support Community Entrepreneurs

Nurture and support community members who build businesses (e.g., consultants, template creators) around your product by providing guides, networks, and connections, aligning their success with yours.

7. Manage Community Growth Rate

Implement a controlled growth rate for community programs (e.g., inducting 20 new ambassadors per month via a light application) to ensure new members are properly welcomed, maintain engagement, and prevent conversations from becoming muted.

8. Provide Exclusive Ambassador Value

Offer ambassadors unique incentives like early access to features, direct feedback channels with product teams, exclusive Q&A sessions with leadership, event subsidies, and promotion of their work to foster a special, non-transactional relationship.

9. Invest Significantly in Content Quality

Dedicate substantial time (e.g., 8+ hours per piece) to content creation, including thorough preparation, interviewing, and writing, to ensure high quality that stands out amidst internet noise.

10. Synthesize Content for Deeper Value

Beyond reporting facts, focus on drawing connections, connecting dots, and extracting bigger themes from your content sources (e.g., interviews) to provide more profound and valuable insights.

11. Maintain Strong Press Relationships

Invest in public relations and maintain strong, straightforward relationships with the press, as they provide an invaluable megaphone for reaching a broad audience with credibility and notice.

12. Track Net New Visitors

Measure the success of brand, community, and awareness campaigns by tracking month-over-month net new visitors to your website, indicating genuine interest and discovery.

13. Share Community Wins Internally

Regularly share updates and activities from your community with the entire company (e.g., during all-hands, on Slack) to inspire employees, reinforce who they are building for, and rally internal support.

14. Choose Accessible Community Platforms

Host your community on platforms already integrated into users’ daily routines (e.g., Slack) rather than requiring them to visit a new destination, to ensure higher engagement and reduce friction.

15. Master Your Subject Matter

Be incredibly well-versed and quick-thinking on all topics that might arise in conversations, ensuring you have all necessary information at your fingertips.

16. Convey Emotional Vision

Learn to paint an emotional picture of your vision and mission to deeply connect with people, enlisting their hearts and minds.

17. Communicate During Outages

During critical outages, prioritize clear and constant communication with users about the situation, fix efforts, and timelines, as this builds trust and highlights product vitality.

18. Authentic Founder Communication

Founders should communicate in a style that feels authentic to their personality, avoiding social media quotas and instead waiting to share valuable insights, as this often leads to more traction.

19. Learn from Community Experts

To level up community building skills, seek out resources and interviews from top-level community experts like Ben Lang (Notion’s Head of Community) for invaluable insights.

The way that you think about product market fit, you have to think about content market fit.

Camille Ricketts

True discovery is when you have intent to find out more, right? You've heard about it so many times or you've been intrigued by something that someone has told you to the extent that you're actually going to take the step of now learning about it.

Camille Ricketts

I think that one of the worst things you can do is say, let's cut this off at the knees if it's not generating ROI.

Camille Ricketts

If you grow to something like, you know, oh, we have 5,000 ambassadors, which feels like really good to say like on a website, the conversation is actually very muted. I think because people feel like they're speaking to an auditorium whenever they say anything.

Camille Ricketts

What is one thing that you think that led to your success that nobody else in your peer set has done?

Camille Ricketts

Launching an Ambassador Program

Camille Ricketts
  1. Identify best-fit customers who are already vocal and organically talking about the product on social media and other platforms.
  2. Start with a small, manageable group (e.g., 20 people initially) to ensure a high-quality experience.
  3. Build in incentives that make ambassadors feel special and uniquely connected to the company, such as early access to features, direct feedback channels, and AMAs with internal team members.
  4. Subsidize events and actively promote ambassadors' work to support their efforts and amplify their creations.
  5. Allow the community to grow at a healthy, organic pace (e.g., inducting 20 new people per month) to avoid muting conversations and ensure new members are properly welcomed and integrated.

Content Market Fit Strategy

Camille Ricketts
  1. Approach content creation with the same rigor as product development, starting by deeply understanding your target audience.
  2. Identify what your audience truly needs in their lives, focusing on their anxieties, aspirations (e.g., getting promoted, avoiding failure), and daily challenges.
  3. Create 'painkiller' content that directly addresses these core needs, confusion, or feelings of isolation, aiming to provide tangible value.
  4. Invest significant time to ensure the content is high-quality, going beyond simple information delivery to draw connections, connect dots, and pull out bigger themes.
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Camille Ricketts' employee number at Notion She was the first marketing hire.
400+
Notion's approximate employee count As of Camille's departure.
$10 billion
Notion's last valuation Approximate figure.
30
In-person Notion community events per month Around the world, as reported by Ben Lang.
$35,000
Notion creator earnings from one template In four months, reported mid-2021 by one creator.
20 people
Initial size of Notion's Ambassador program The most vocal users on social media platforms.
20 people
Notion Ambassador induction rate At a time, every month, to ensure organic growth and welcome.
250,000
Members in Notion in Vietnam Facebook group An external, community-run group.
210,000
Members in the Notion subreddit An external, community-run group.
8 hours
Time to write a typical First Round Review post Just for the writing phase, after extensive prep work.
10 hours
Lenny's average time to write a newsletter post Medium time.