Leading with empathy | Keith Yandell (DoorDash, Uber)

Feb 9, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Keith Yandel, a longtime DoorDash leader, shares insights on DoorDash's unique culture, leading diverse teams, fostering customer obsession, and navigating tough times. He discusses strategies for effective leadership, feedback, BD-product collaboration, and fundraising, emphasizing perseverance and a bias for action.

At a Glance
14 Insights
55m 51s Duration
17 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Interviewing for culture: The 'Are you an asshole?' story

DoorDash's unique culture and founder's ethos

The WeDash program and customer obsession

Leading diverse teams without subject matter expertise

The 'How to Work with Keith' transparency document

Helping employees find their next job, even externally

Leveraging empathy to unify decision-making in leadership

Assigning decision makers and time horizons for clarity

One-on-ones and encouraging constructive criticism

Leading through tough times and company crises

The power of urgency and compounding gains

DoorDash's IPO day and staying hungry

Common characteristics of top founders

The pandemic's impact on DoorDash's business

Lessons from challenging fundraising experiences

Building effective BD and product team relationships

How to effectively engage with legal teams

No-politics, No-asshole Culture

A workplace environment where directness and transparency are valued, and individuals who are perceived as difficult or political are screened out or addressed directly. This fosters a culture where people enjoy working together and prioritize the company's mission.

Generalists over Specialists (Range)

The philosophy, inspired by the book 'Range' by David Epstein, that individuals with broad experience and diverse skills (generalists) can often achieve more innovative and 10x outcomes than highly specialized experts. This is because generalists are less likely to be constrained by traditional methods and more open to reinventing systems.

WeDash Program

A DoorDash initiative requiring all employees to complete at least four deliveries a year. Its purpose is to foster customer obsession and empathy by having employees directly experience the product from the perspective of a Dasher, leading to better product understanding and improvements.

Debate and Commit

A decision-making framework where teams are encouraged to have healthy, strenuous debates to explore all perspectives, but once a decision is made, everyone commits to executing it fully, regardless of their initial stance. This ensures alignment and swift action post-decision.

T3B3 Framework

A feedback mechanism used during reviews or check-ins, requiring individuals to provide three positive points (T3) and three constructive pieces of feedback (B3) for their manager. This system institutionalizes constructive criticism, making it a required part of communication and fostering open dialogue.

Compound Interest in Product Development

The idea that consistently pushing up a product roadmap, even by small margins (e.g., a week), leads to exponential gains over time. By shipping sooner, teams can start the next development cycle earlier, accumulating advantages and outperforming competitors who are only slightly behind.

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How can a leader effectively lead teams in areas where they lack subject matter expertise?

A leader can credibly lead diverse teams by believing they can add value as a generalist, hiring the best subject matter experts, clearly communicating their intent to help, and then getting out of the experts' way to foster autonomy.

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How can a manager foster transparency and effective communication within their team?

Managers can create a 'How to Work with Me' document outlining expectations, personal growth areas, and commitments. They should also demand and actively solicit constructive feedback, demonstrating that they action it.

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Why should managers help their employees find new jobs, even outside the company?

Helping employees find their next job, even externally, fosters transparency, allows for better backfill planning, and builds a long-term reputation for the manager as someone who prioritizes their team's career growth, leading to loyalty and potential 'boomerangs'.

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How can a leader unify strongly opinionated people to make fast decisions on complex topics?

Leaders should generate empathy by asking each side to argue the opposing viewpoint, clearly assign a decision-maker (tiebreaker) if consensus isn't reached, and set a specific time horizon for the decision, emphasizing 'debate and commit'.

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How can managers encourage constructive criticism from their employees?

Managers should explicitly demand constructive feedback, setting aside dedicated time for it in one-on-ones, and then genuinely thank employees for it and demonstrate that they are actioning the feedback.

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What are the benefits of leading a company through tough times?

Tough times help identify employees committed to the mission, force discipline and focus on unit economics, and create a larger pool of available talent. They also foster a singularity of focus within the organization, which can be motivating for talented individuals.

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What are common characteristics of top founders?

Top founders often exhibit a level of obsessiveness, hyper-competitiveness, a knack for manufacturing 'straw men' or challenges to maintain urgency, and raw curiosity about how things work, all combining to create an unstoppable drive.

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What is the importance of urgency in driving company growth?

Creating a continuous sense of urgency, even for small gains, allows for compound interest in product development. By consistently pushing up roadmaps and shipping faster, a company can lap competitors and achieve exponential growth over time.

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What advice is there for founders struggling with fundraising?

Founders should remember that it only takes one 'yes' and that every successful business has faced rejections. The drive to keep going, even when runway is short and everyone says no, is absolutely critical for founders who truly believe in their business.

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How should product teams and founders engage with legal teams?

Product-driven founders and product teams should approach legal with curiosity, asking questions until they understand the relevant laws and constraints as well as the lawyers. They should then apply a first-principles product mindset to push lawyers to avoid being overly conservative and find innovative solutions within legal boundaries.

1. Persevere as a Founder

If you believe in your business, maintain an unwavering drive to keep going, as it only takes one ‘yes’ despite numerous rejections. This resilience is critical for overcoming challenges like low runway and being told no by many.

2. Embrace Tough Times

Leverage challenging periods to identify mission-driven team members, enforce financial discipline by focusing on unit economics, and attract top talent. Crises also create a valuable singularity of focus within the company, which talented people often appreciate.

3. Foster Customer Empathy

Implement mandatory programs like ‘WeDash’ (doing deliveries) or customer support shifts for all employees at least four times a year to build empathy and keep the team close to the product experience. This practice also serves as a governor to attract customer-obsessed talent during hiring.

4. Lead Diverse Teams with Generalists

For 10x outcomes, consider hiring generalists to lead new functions, then empower subject matter experts by getting out of their way. Be transparent about your lack of expertise and focus on helping your expert hires be successful.

5. Scale Culture with Written Docs

Create a ‘How to Work With Me’ document detailing your expectations, traits of successful team members, areas you’re improving on, and commitments to your team. This scales culture and helps new hires acclimate quickly to a fast-paced environment.

6. Proactively Support Career Growth

Commit to helping your team find their next job, even if it’s outside the company, by discussing career development in one-on-ones and forwarding relevant opportunities. This fosters transparency, aids backfilling, and builds a strong long-term reputation as a manager.

7. Drive Effective Decision-Making

When facing complex trade-offs, foster empathy by asking each side to argue the opposing viewpoint (steel-manning). Clearly define the decision-maker and a timeline, then ensure the team ‘debates and commits’ to the final decision.

8. Cultivate a Feedback-Rich Culture

Demand constructive feedback from your team in one-on-ones, using structured systems like ‘T3B3’ (three positives, three constructive points). Always thank them enthusiastically for the feedback and visibly action it to build trust and show progress.

9. Prioritize Urgency & Compound Gains

Continuously push to ship products faster, even by small margins, understanding that these compounded gains will allow you to outpace competitors over time. Challenge the need for excessive testing to maintain momentum and achieve 1.01x returns.

10. Maintain Hunger, Avoid Complacency

After achieving milestones, quickly refocus on the next challenge rather than prolonged self-congratulation. Staying hungry prevents falling behind competitors who are continuously working to improve and innovate.

11. Strategic BD-Product Collaboration

Give the product team early visibility into the BD pipeline to gauge impact, but avoid bringing them into full discussions too early to prevent wasted cycles. Prioritize building scalable platforms for partnerships rather than bespoke solutions for each deal.

12. Product Leaders: Understand Law

For consumer-facing products, develop a general understanding of relevant regulations and constraints. Engage with legal teams with curiosity, applying a first-principles mindset to push for less conservative interpretations and be accretive to the business.

13. Build Investor Trust with Realistic Projections

When fundraising, present highly confident numbers that you know you will hit, rather than aspirational stretch plans. This builds long-term trust with investors, which is more valuable than short-term valuation gains or dilution.

14. Use Direct Interview Feedback

If a candidate has strong qualifications but raises cultural concerns, provide direct feedback during the interview process (e.g., ‘You seemed like an asshole’). This tests their self-awareness and how they handle criticism, revealing their true culture fit.

If you're really a founder, you just have to find a way. You have to keep going. There's no question.

Keith Yandell

Life's too short to work with people you don't really enjoy.

Ryan Sokol (as quoted by Keith Yandell)

This is one of the most insightful pieces of feedback I've gotten recently. And you've only been dashing for like a few different times.

Tony Hsu

People talk a lot about hiring people better than you are. People don't talk a lot about what you do when you hire those people.

Keith Yandell

Feedback is a gift, but you have to say stuff and you have to action.

Keith Yandell

For better and for worse, everything's temporary. So the highs, you can't get too high. The lows, you can't get too low.

Keith Yandell

Doing the right thing is never the wrong thing.

Ted Lasso (as quoted by Keith Yandell)

Keith Yandell's One-on-One Meeting Structure

Keith Yandell
  1. Demand constructive feedback from the employee first.
  2. Provide feedback to the employee.
  3. Dedicate the last 10 minutes to career development conversations.

Decision-Making Framework for Strongly Opinionated Groups

Keith Yandell
  1. Ask each side to make the case for the opposing viewpoint to generate empathy.
  2. Clearly identify the decision-maker (tiebreaker) if consensus cannot be reached.
  3. Set a specific time horizon for when the decision must be made.
  4. Once the decision is made, ensure everyone debates and commits to it.

BD Team's Approach to Product Partnerships

Keith Yandell (influenced by Rajat Shroff)
  1. Give the product team visibility into the deal pipeline without full discussion to gauge impact.
  2. Prioritize building scalable platforms for common partnership needs, rather than bespoke solutions.
  3. Dream big, start small: Test the thesis of a deal using hacky operations (e.g., promo codes) before expending significant product resources.
  4. Engage the product team early enough to inform terms, but not so early as to waste valuable cycles on unlikely deals.
4 times a year
Frequency of WeDash program participation Minimum requirement for all DoorDash employees to do deliveries.
18 and a half miles
Distance of a problematic delivery Identified by Keith's daughter during a WeDash delivery.
36 minutes
Estimated time for problematic delivery For the 18.5-mile delivery, making coffee cold.
12 person
Size of Keith Yandell's current organization Current team size for BD and Corporate Development.
1,500 people
Largest organization Keith Yandell ran at DoorDash Refers to a previous role, likely customer support.
2-3x
Headcount growth rate at DoorDash Annual growth rate for the vast majority of Keith's tenure.
10x
Return on building long-term manager reputation The payback for prioritizing employees' careers and building trust.
100 million bucks
Commission cuts for restaurants during pandemic Decision made by Tony Hsu to help restaurants stay in business.
2008
Year of last comparable 'best time to start a company' Referenced as a time with similar talent availability as the current downturn.