How I Taught Millions Of Women The Most Important Skill: Girls Who Code Founder: Reshma Saujani

Jun 6, 2022
Overview

Reshma Sundari, founder of Girls Who Code and author of "Pay Up," shares her journey from overcoming childhood trauma to building global movements. She discusses reframing failure, prioritizing self-care over hustle culture, and advocating for systemic changes to support women and mothers in the workplace.

At a Glance
14 Insights
1h 19m Duration
15 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Childhood Trauma and Identity Formation

Pursuing Higher Education and the Burden of Debt

Quitting a Mismatched Career and Finding Dharma

Running for Congress and Learning Entrepreneurship

Founding Girls Who Code and Addressing the Gender Gap

Girls Who Code's Impact and Cultural Shift in Tech

Personal Sacrifices and Miscarriages While Leading

Revising Leadership Philosophy: Vulnerability and Well-being

Critique of 'Girl Boss' Culture and Fixing the System

The Marshall Plan for Moms and Pandemic's Impact on Women

Intensive Parenting and the Mental Health Crisis for Mothers

Strategies for Self-Care and Setting Boundaries

The Bhagavad Gita and Detachment from External Validation

Four Principles for Systemic Change: Empower, Educate, Revise, Advocate

Redefining Success and Challenging Propaganda Against Women

Immigrant Generational Gap

This concept highlights the difference in priorities between immigrant parents, who often focus on survival and securing stable careers for their children, and their children, who may have the privilege to seek purpose, meaning, and fulfillment in their professional lives.

Dharma

In Hinduism, Dharma refers to one's inherent purpose or what one is meant to do on Earth. Reshma felt blessed to have known her Dharma from a young age, which was to be a change-maker and make a difference in the world.

Passion Filter

Reshma describes her approach to hiring as a 'passion filter,' where she seeks employees who share her intense dedication and belief in the organization's mission, viewing the work as a 'religion' rather than just a job.

Corporate Feminism

This term refers to a critique of approaches that focus on 'fixing the woman' (e.g., through power poses, delegating more, unlearning perfectionism) rather than addressing and changing the underlying systemic and structural issues within workplaces that disadvantage women.

Intensive Parenting

This describes the current societal expectation for parents, especially mothers, to be constantly and deeply involved in their children's development, including managing multiple extracurriculars and academic support, often at the expense of their own mental health and well-being.

Parenting Out Loud

This is a practice of openly acknowledging and integrating motherhood into one's professional life, rather than hiding it or apologizing for it. It aims to shift cultural perceptions and expectations around working mothers, moving away from the idea of mothers as martyrs.

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How did Reshma's childhood experiences shape her character?

Her experiences with racism and bullying, including her house being spray-painted and a physical assault, instilled in her a fierce determination to fight and never be silent, transforming her into a 'warrior'.

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Why did Reshma pursue elite university degrees despite the debt?

As a woman of color from a working-class background, she believed credentials from institutions like Yale and Harvard were essential to open doors and gain credibility in a country where they mattered.

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How did Reshma overcome feeling 'stuck' in a corporate law job she hated?

She realized her own fear was holding her back, and with encouragement from a friend and her father, she quit to pursue her true calling, reframing the risk of staying as greater than the risk of leaving.

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What did Reshma learn from her unsuccessful political campaigns?

She learned how to be an entrepreneur, how to tell a story, inspire people, connect, and developed confidence, resilience, and a better understanding of political systems and character assassination.

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What was the core problem Girls Who Code aimed to solve?

The organization aimed to address the gender gap in technology by changing the cultural narrative that pushed girls and women out of coding, making it cool and connecting it to making the world a better place.

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What personal sacrifices did Reshma make while building Girls Who Code?

She prioritized the organization over her personal well-being, enduring multiple miscarriages and attending work events immediately after receiving devastating news, leading to significant emotional and mental strain.

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Why did Reshma shift her philosophy from 'fix the woman' to 'fix the system'?

The pandemic highlighted how systemic issues, like lack of affordable childcare and paid leave, disproportionately forced women out of the workforce, revealing that individual efforts were insufficient without structural change.

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Why are women spending more time on childcare now than in 1980?

This is due to the rise of 'intensive parenting,' a societal expectation that mothers constantly engage in their children's development, combined with the demands of 'hustle culture' in the workplace.

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What are the consequences of the current societal expectations on working mothers?

It leads to exhaustion, a mental health crisis (51% of mothers anxious/depressed), rising rates of alcoholism, Adderall addiction, and suicide among mothers, as they are expected to be martyrs and put themselves last.

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How can individuals avoid hitting rock bottom due to unsustainable behavior?

It's crucial to recognize early signs of distress, prioritize personal mental and physical health, take breaks, and challenge the 'badge of honor' mentality associated with overwork and sacrificing well-being.

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What is Reshma's current approach to setting boundaries and saying no?

She filters decisions based on potential impact and a desire to support emerging voices, while also studying the Bhagavad Gita to stay focused on her core purpose and detach from the desire for external validation or accolades.

1. Reframe Risk: Not Chasing Dreams

Understand that the greatest risk is often not pursuing your true dreams and happiness, but rather staying in a situation that makes you miserable due to external expectations or fear. Courage lies in following your inner calling.

2. Prioritize Proactive Self-Care

Don’t wait for rock bottom; recognize early signs of burnout and actively take breaks, time off, or naps to maintain mental and physical health. This prevents living in an unsustainable ‘up and crash’ cycle.

3. Redefine Leadership with Vulnerability

Challenge traditional leadership by showing vulnerability, empathy, and allowing yourself to express emotions like sadness or crying in front of your team. This transforms perceived weakness into authentic strength and sets a new standard.

4. Process Failure Systematically

After a failure, allow yourself to ruminate and analyze what went wrong, even seeking brutal feedback, but then consciously decide to move on and plan your next steps. This structured approach prevents prolonged despair and fosters growth.

5. Cultivate Non-Attachment to Validation

Practice not wanting external titles, awards, or recognition, and pull back when you catch yourself chasing such things. This liberates you from constant disappointment and allows focus on intrinsic purpose.

6. Align Decisions with Core Purpose

Filter all opportunities and requests through the lens of your core purpose or ‘dharma’ to ensure that every ‘yes’ serves your ultimate mission. This helps avoid distractions and maintain focus on high-impact activities.

7. Establish Tangible Personal Boundaries

Create clear boundaries in your personal life, such as designated ‘off-duty’ times or division of labor with partners, to protect your personal time and prevent being disproportionately burdened with unpaid labor.

8. Advocate for Systemic Workplace Change

Push for corporate policies that support working parents, such as childcare subsidies, mandated paid leave for men, and flexible/remote work options. This shifts the burden from individuals to the organizational structure.

9. Reject ‘Fix the Woman’ Narratives

Stop consuming content or advice that suggests women need to ‘fix’ themselves (e.g., gain more confidence, lean in harder) to succeed. Instead, recognize that systemic issues, not personal flaws, are often the root cause of inequality.

10. Parent Out Loud at Work

Be open and honest about your motherhood at work, rather than hiding it or apologizing for childcare interruptions. This helps normalize the realities of working parents and challenges the perception that motherhood hinders career.

11. Learn by Observing Power Dynamics

In powerful institutions or rooms, consciously observe how influential people navigate, operate, and communicate. This informal learning can provide valuable insights into leadership and strategy.

12. Prioritize Grit and Work Ethic

When hiring, focus on a candidate’s grit, hustle, and work ethic rather than solely on their academic credentials. This approach values practical ability and determination over institutional stamps.

13. Use Anger as Action Catalyst

When feeling angry about an injustice or problem, channel that emotion into writing or creating something that articulates the issue and proposes solutions. This transforms negative emotion into productive output.

14. Build Initial Support with Friends

When starting a new venture, form your initial board or support system with family and friends who are inherently invested in your success. This provides a protective and encouraging environment in the early stages.

I will never be silent. I will never not fight.

Reshma Saujani

The immigrant generational gap is real. What a luxury it is to search for purpose, meaning and fulfillment.

Stephen Bartlett

The actual risk, if you just zoom out, ends up being not following the dreams of that girl staring up at the stars. That actually is the risk.

Stephen Bartlett

I wasn't gonna let failure break me.

Reshma Saujani

I don't believe in jobs, but for some people it's a job.

Reshma Saujani

We have to completely revise what that means and what it means to be a leader. And it means, you know, empathy.

Reshma Saujani

Motherhood is controversial.

Reshma Saujani

You can't change the lives of girls unless you change the future of women.

Reshma Saujani

I'm not buying into that bullshit. I'm here and I can lead too.

Reshma Saujani

Avoiding Rock Bottom from Unsustainable Behavior

Reshma Saujani
  1. See the signs early on, rather than waiting for a crisis.
  2. Take breaks and time off when needed, prioritizing personal well-being.
  3. Prioritize personal mental and physical health above all else.
  4. Challenge the 'badge of honor' mentality associated with overwork and sacrificing health.
  5. Revise what it means to be a leader to include empathy and vulnerability, rather than constant strength.

Bringing About Systemic Change for Women in the Workplace

Reshma Saujani
  1. Empower: Create tangible boundaries in personal life, such as dividing household labor or setting dedicated personal time, to prevent being roped into more unpaid labor.
  2. Educate: Shift employers to subsidize childcare, recognizing it as an economic issue, and mandate paid leave for men to ensure equitable child-caring responsibilities from the start.
  3. Revise: Change the cultural perception of motherhood by 'parenting out loud,' being honest about the realities of balancing work and family, and not hiding or apologizing for children at work.
  4. Advocate: Push for structural changes from the government, such as universal paid leave and affordable childcare, to create lasting societal support for working women.
0.4%
Percentage of girls interested in coding when Girls Who Code started This low percentage indicated a significant cultural barrier for girls entering technology.
10,000
Number of Girls Who Code clubs established These clubs were created across the US, and later expanded to India and the UK, following a model of local community engagement.
Almost half a million
Number of girls who have gone through Girls Who Code's coding programs This represents direct participation in their educational programs.
Half a billion
Number of people reached by Girls Who Code through various initiatives This includes reach through books, videos, and campaigns, indicating a broad cultural impact.
100,000
Number of girls who signed onto the Girls Who Code website to learn coding nails in one day This occurred after a partnership with Doja Cat, demonstrating the power of cultural relevance.
11 million
Number of women who left the workforce during the pandemic This significant exodus highlighted the systemic challenges faced by working mothers.
51%
Percentage of mothers who report feeling anxious and depressed This statistic underscores the mental health crisis among working women due to societal pressures.
Less than 10%
Percentage of companies that subsidize childcare in the US This low figure indicates a lack of structural support for working families, despite childcare being a major expense.