#115 Danny Meyer: Hospitality and Humanity

Jul 13, 2021
Overview

Celebrated restaurateur Danny Meyer, CEO of Union Square Hospitality Group, discusses how hospitality is crucial in all businesses. He defines hospitality as trust and outlines the "virtuous cycle of enlightened hospitality," emphasizing culture, values, and specific emotional skills for hiring and growth.

At a Glance
13 Insights
56m 54s Duration
12 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Defining Hospitality and its Universal Application

Journey to Becoming a Restaurant Generalist

Importance of Location and Terroir in Restaurants

Winemaking Analogy for Restaurant Operations and Culture

The Virtuous Cycle of Enlightened Hospitality

Scaling Hospitality and Evolving Organizational Culture

The Six Emotional Skills for Hiring (Hospitality Quotient)

Identifying and Managing Employee Performance with a Four-Quadrant Chart

Balancing Systems (Bricklayer) and Customization (Mason) in Business

Reasons for Slow Growth and Overcoming Personal Fears of Expansion

Why Restaurants Fail and the Need for Fair Wages

Learning from Mistakes: The Five A's of Mistake Making

Hospitality

Hospitality exists when you believe that the person on the other side of a transaction is on your side, fostering trust. It's about making others feel good and is applicable to all businesses, not just restaurants.

Terroir (in restaurants)

Similar to winemaking, 'terroir' refers to the inherent characteristics of a location that dictate what kind of restaurant concept will thrive there. The space itself 'tells' you what it wants to be, influencing design, menu, and overall feeling.

Virtuous Cycle of Enlightened Hospitality

This is a framework where providing hospitality to internal staff leads to better service for customers, which in turn garners support from the community and suppliers, ultimately benefiting investors. The profits then allow for further investment in employees, creating a self-reinforcing positive loop.

Culture (in business)

Culture is defined as the common language and 'the way we do things around here' within an organization. It must constantly move and evolve like a shark to stay alive, while being supported by an unchanging value system that acts as a compass.

Hospitality Quotient (HQ)

HQ is a compendium of six emotional skills that predict how much happiness an individual derives from making other people feel better. It accounts for 51% of an ideal employee's 'score,' complementing their technical skills.

Hospitality Golden Rule

This rule, driven by empathy, states 'do unto others as you believe they would want done unto them.' It emphasizes customizing experiences for each individual, recognizing that everyone's preferences (e.g., temperature, salt level, pace) are unique.

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What is hospitality and why is everyone in the hospitality business?

Hospitality is when you believe the person on the other side of a transaction is on your side, fostering trust. Everyone is in the hospitality business because success depends on stakeholders (colleagues, customers, community, suppliers, investors) rooting for your success, which is achieved by making them feel valued and supported.

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How do you scale a feeling like hospitality across a large organization?

Scaling hospitality involves establishing a common language and value system, understanding that culture must constantly evolve, and intentionally promoting 'culture carriers' who embody the desired emotional skills. It's about advancing culture through growth, not just maintaining it.

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What are the six emotional skills Danny Meyer looks for when hiring?

Danny Meyer looks for optimistic kindness, curiosity, work ethic (with an 'excellence reflex'), empathy (doing unto others as they would want), self-awareness (understanding one's personal 'weather report'), and integrity (doing the right thing even when no one is looking).

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How does Danny Meyer decide when to let go of an employee?

A four-quadrant chart is used: 'can and will' (celebrate), 'can but won't' (fire under their rear end, 90 days), 'can't and won't' (unsuccessful hire, 30 days), and 'can't but will' (coach, 120 days). This helps manage the emotional aspect of such decisions.

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Why do many restaurants that survive their first year eventually fail?

Restaurants often fail due to challenging economics, including downward pressure on pricing and upward pressure on prime costs (talent, real estate, food). The industry has historically underpaid staff, and the true cost of dining out, including fair wages for people, has not been adequately communicated to the public.

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How can businesses effectively learn from and use mistakes for good?

Businesses can use mistakes as a 'renewable resource' by following the 'five A's': be aware, acknowledge, apologize, act on it (fix it), and apply additional generosity. This approach aims to turn a negative experience into a positive story that customers will share.

1. Prioritize Internal Hospitality

Apply hospitality first to your internal team members, trusting they are on your side, because this approach fosters their best performance and creates a virtuous cycle benefiting all stakeholders, including customers, community, suppliers, and investors.

2. Hire for Hospitality Quotient

Prioritize hiring based on a ‘Hospitality Quotient’ (HQ), which is the degree to which individuals are happier when making others feel better, as this emotional skill accounts for 51% of an ideal employee’s value beyond technical competence.

3. Six Essential Emotional Skills

Actively seek candidates who demonstrate optimistic kindness, intellectual curiosity, a strong work ethic (excellence reflex), empathy (doing unto others as they would want), self-awareness (understanding one’s ‘personal weather report’), and integrity, as these are crucial for a high Hospitality Quotient.

4. Manage Performance with Quadrant Chart

Utilize a four-quadrant chart (Can/Can’t vs. Will/Won’t) to objectively manage employee performance, assigning specific action steps and timeframes for each category, particularly addressing ‘Can but Won’t’ employees who undermine culture despite their competence.

5. Transform Mistakes with Five A’s

Turn honest mistakes into positive opportunities by following the ‘Five A’s’: Be Aware, Acknowledge, Apologize, Act (to fix it), and Apply Additional Generosity, aiming to ‘write a great next chapter’ where the handling of the mistake becomes a positive story.

6. Culture: A Dynamic Value System

Recognize that culture is like a shark, constantly moving or dying, meaning it must evolve with growth; while the ‘way we do things’ changes, your core value system must remain a constant compass.

7. Scale Culture by Promoting Values

Scale your organizational culture by intentionally promoting individuals who embody desired emotional skills and values, as these promotions signal to the entire organization what behaviors are truly valued and rewarded.

8. Blend Systems with Customization

Combine the efficiency of ‘bricklayer’ systems for consistent baseline quality with the ‘mason’ approach of customized, empathetic judgment to tailor experiences for individual guests, ensuring both repeatable excellence and personalized hospitality.

9. Select Locations with Terroir Mindset

When choosing a business location, deeply understand its inherent ’terroir’ – what the space and its surroundings communicate – and only select a site that inherently makes people feel good, even if it were free, as the location sets the stage for your business.

10. Cultivate Culture Like a Vineyard

Build a strong organizational culture by carefully selecting people who can thrive in your ‘soil,’ continuously nurturing it, providing training, and ‘pruning’ (firing) individuals who hinder the collective growth, much like a winemaker tends a vineyard.

11. Overcome Fear of Business Expansion

Address personal fears related to business growth by recognizing that past failures are not predestined outcomes, and by intentionally surrounding yourself with diverse talent that compensates for your weaknesses and amplifies your strengths.

12. Advocate for Fair Employee Wages

Implement and advocate for fair living wages for all employees in your industry, even if it necessitates raising prices, to ensure a sustainable business model that values its people and contributes positively to the broader economy.

13. Scaling Feeling is Most Tricky

Understand that scaling a ‘feeling’ or human experience (hospitality) is the most challenging aspect of organizational growth, even more so than consistently replicating product or service quality, and requires dedicated strategic effort.

Hospitality exists when you believe that the person on the other side of the transaction is on your side, when you trust that they're on your side.

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Culture is like a shark. It's constantly moving or it dies.

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The one thing that must not change is your value system. That's your compass.

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In a day and age where we're all in, where what you know how to do can be so easily copied by everybody, I really believe that that 51%, which is how do you make people feel while you're doing it, can truly become the alpha that can differentiate different organizations and teams.

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It's the difference between an off-the-rack suit and a custom suit just made for you.

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It's not the mistake that sort of does you in. It's how you handle it at the end.

Shane Parrish

Winemaking Analogy for Restaurant Success

Danny Meyer
  1. Pick the best site (vineyard) that has 'bones' and a feeling that transports people.
  2. Pick the right 'grapes' (people who work for you) who can thrive in the culture (soil).
  3. Train the 'vines' (people) so they grow up and don't just grow every which way.
  4. Prune the 'grapes' that shouldn't be there (fire people) so the rest of the vine truly thrives.
  5. Pray for good 'weather' (climate/economy) and make the best 'wine' in that particular vintage.
  6. Repeat year after year, vintage after vintage, to gain a reputation for integrity.

The Six Emotional Skills for Hiring (Hospitality Quotient - HQ)

Danny Meyer
  1. Optimistic kindness: Possessing kind eyes and believing actions can make the world better.
  2. Curiosity: Viewing every day as an opportunity to learn something new, not being a finished product.
  3. Work ethic: Caring deeply about doing a job as well as it can be done, having an 'excellence reflex'.
  4. Empathy: The ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes and understand what *they* would want done unto them.
  5. Self-awareness: Understanding one's own personal 'weather report' for a given day to manage impact on the team.
  6. Integrity: Having the judgment to do the right thing, even when it's not in self-interest or no one is looking.

Four-Quadrant Employee Management Chart

Danny Meyer
  1. **Can and Will (Great attitude, lots of competence)**: Action: Celebrate; Timeframe: Forever.
  2. **Can but Won't (Competent but unwilling to align with values)**: Action: Fire under their rear end; Timeframe: 90 days.
  3. **Can't and Won't (Lacks both competence and willingness)**: Action: Unsuccessful hire; Timeframe: 30 days.
  4. **Can't but Will (Willing but lacks competence)**: Action: Give a ton of coaching/teaching; Timeframe: 120 days, potentially trying other roles.

The Five A's of Mistake Making

Danny Meyer
  1. Be aware: Recognize that a mistake has been made.
  2. Acknowledge it: Don't hide, run, deny, or blame others.
  3. Apologize for it: Express sincere regret.
  4. Act on it: Fix the mistake.
  5. Apply additional generosity: Do something extra on top of fixing it to turn the negative into a positive, leading to a 'great next chapter' in the customer's story.
98%
Percentage of restaurant spaces not suitable Danny Meyer would not want this percentage of restaurant spaces, even if offered for free, due to their 'terroir'.
10 years
Minimum commitment for vineyard productivity Most grapevines don't become productive with really good grapes for at least 10 years, analogous to long restaurant leases.
49 points
Employee evaluation score for technical skills Out of a 100-point system, 49 points are allocated to how well someone performs the technical aspects of their job.
51 points
Employee evaluation score for Hospitality Quotient (HQ) Out of a 100-point system, 51 points are allocated to an employee's HQ, or emotional skills related to making others feel better.
90 days
Timeframe for 'can but won't' employees The period given to competent employees who are unwilling to align with organizational behaviors, before termination.
30 days
Timeframe for 'can't and won't' employees The period for employees who lack both competence and willingness, indicating an unsuccessful hire.
120 days
Timeframe for 'can't but will' employees The period for employees who are willing but lack competence, allowing for extensive coaching or a potential role change.
5 years
Years for Shake Shack's second location It took five years to open the second Shake Shack after the first, due to Danny Meyer's cautious approach to expansion.
250+
Number of Shake Shack locations As of 2004, Shake Shack had grown to more than 250 locations around the world (from episode summary).
59
Danny Meyer's father's age at death His father died at a young age, influencing Danny's early caution with business expansion.
32
Danny Meyer's age at father's death His age when his father died, leading him to therapy and a re-evaluation of his fears about expansion.