#39 Tyler Cowen: Thinking About Thinking

Aug 21, 2018
Overview

Shane Parrish interviews economist Tyler Cowen about the future of work, where average is over, and how technology impacts society. They discuss skills needed to thrive, improving judgment, effective reading strategies, and fostering resilience in children.

At a Glance
44 Insights
57m 50s Duration
30 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to 'Average is Over' Concept

Future of Labor and Essential Skills

Evolution of Sales and Media Consumption

Divergence of Countries and Cultural Implications

Virtual Reality: Pros, Cons, and Future Impact

Scarcity and Value in the Global Economy

The Future of Newspapers and Information Bundling

'The Complacent Class' and Societal Risk Aversion

The Perceived vs. Actual Pace of Change

Consequences of Complacency for Nations

Erosion of the Physical World and Infrastructure

Solutions for Traffic Congestion and Infrastructure

Cultivating Meta-Rationality and Good Judgment

Developing Judgment Through Mentorship and Online Experimentation

Accepting Feedback and Fostering Internal Motivation

Parenting for Resilience and Drive

Specialization vs. Generalization in Careers

Tyler Cowen's Reading Philosophy and 'Quake Books'

Practical Rules and Process for Reading

The Cumulative Nature of Reading and Learning

The Art of Thinking Well and Epistemic Modesty

Processing Disagreeing Information

Relationship Dynamics and the Futility of 'Being Right'

Lessons from Competitive Chess

Chess Education and Gamification

Television and Film Preferences

Long-Term Implications of Low Interest Rates

Minimum Wage Increases and Economic Effects

Advice for Saving and Future Investment Returns

Bitcoin, Blockchain, and Digital Assets

Average is Over

A concept describing a future labor market where workers either enhance their productivity with computers or compete against them, leading to a significant divide between high-skill, tech-integrated jobs and those that are automated. This results in a sharp income divide but potentially more free consumer goods.

Meta-rationality

The ability to recognize one's own intellectual limitations and critically assess which skills will genuinely complement emerging technologies and sectors. It involves thinking beyond immediate self-affirmation to evaluate true value.

Epistemic Modesty

The wisdom of knowing when and how to defer to the advice and knowledge of others, particularly in an age of abundant information. This skill is crucial for judging the quality of sources and making informed decisions rather than always striving to be the smartest person.

The Complacent Class

A societal state where Americans have become increasingly risk-averse, exhibiting lower rates of mobility, heightened paranoia in parenting, and higher medication usage. This collective behavior results in a less dynamic economy, slower growth, and a 'screwy politics'.

Quake Books

Books that profoundly challenge and reshape an individual's fundamental worldview, often experienced more intensely in younger years when one's perspective is still forming. These books have an incredible, lasting influence on one's understanding.

Compound Learning

The principle that continuous, consistent learning accumulates over time, much like compound interest, leading to significant and accelerating intellectual growth and understanding. It emphasizes sustained effort in learning as the most effective long-term strategy.

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How will the future of labor look different, and how can individuals prepare?

The future will divide workers into those enhanced by computers and those competing against them. Individuals should become proficient in tech, constantly retrain (every three to five years), or develop strong people skills like sales, marketing, and management.

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What are the cultural and country-level implications of technological and economic changes?

Countries and regions will diverge, with clusters of creativity becoming more expensive and less accessible for artists. While access to culture is easier, face-to-face creative interactions may decline.

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What are the pros and cons of virtual tourism and virtual reality?

Virtual tourism could be beneficial for those unable to travel, but there's concern it might substitute for real experiences and lead to people inhabiting less productive virtual worlds. Bandwidth and the preference for simple online interactions over 'exciting' virtual worlds are current limitations.

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What is the future of newspapers and how will information be consumed?

National and regional newspapers are declining, replaced by a 'daily flow' of online articles from various sources. The traditional bundled newspaper format is inefficient for users, who prefer to pick and choose content.

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What are the implications of Americans becoming more complacent?

Collective complacency leads to a less dynamic country, slower economic growth, difficulty funding the federal budget, and 'screwy politics.' It can also lead to increased segregation and a society that struggles to imagine a future different from the present.

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How can individuals develop good judgment in a complex world?

Good judgment is developed by having trusted mentors who teach and guide, combined with intense online experimentation (using Google, Wikipedia, podcasts, blogs, Twitter creatively) to cross-check and investigate information.

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How can parents foster resilience and internal drive in their children?

Parents should expose their children, especially in their teen years, to many friends who can serve as positive role models, as parental influence becomes limited.

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How does Tyler Cowen approach reading books?

He reads classics cover-to-cover but doesn't finish most other books, often reading only the opening pages or half. He prioritizes reading for specific facts, cultural anthropology, or to understand people he's interviewing.

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What is the best way to read quickly and well?

Reading quickly comes from reading a lot over a long period, as prior reading provides context and understanding for new material. The 'correct answer' for how long it takes to read a book is the reader's age, reflecting the cumulative investment in reading.

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How should one approach thinking well and evaluating information?

Recognize one's own limitations and be epistemically modest, understanding that others often know more. The key wisdom is knowing how and when to defer to others' advice, while also being a critical reader and evaluating the quality of online sources.

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How should one process information that disagrees with their opinions?

Try to be open and even happy about encountering disagreeing information, as it offers a greater opportunity for learning than content one already agrees with. Avoid the 'devalue and dismiss' intellectual move.

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What did playing competitive chess teach Tyler Cowen?

Chess taught him that most moves are mistakes, even by good players, and that one must face up to personal imperfections without making excuses. This habit of self-analysis and improvement is rewarded and can be transferred to intellectual spheres.

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What are the long-term implications of near-zero interest rates for individuals and the economy?

It makes it harder for millennials to save, potentially leading to impoverished retirements, especially with federal budget problems. It also signifies a global wealth surplus with few safe places to invest, leading to dependence on foreign capital and a precarious national situation.

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What is Tyler Cowen's take on minimum wage increases?

Minimum wage increases put people out of work, though sometimes a small number. While recipients may work harder and be more conscientious, the lost jobs and the dissipation of gains (e.g., higher food prices for other poor people) make him unenthusiastic about the policy.

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What is Bitcoin, and what are its implications?

Bitcoin is not a bubble and serves useful functions, but it's not a convenient currency. It's a store of value, like gold or fine art, and part of a portfolio for protection against risk. Its value may not increase, but it is a legitimate, enduring asset.

1. Embrace Compound Learning

Continuously learn and let knowledge compound over time, viewing it like compound interest, to achieve significant growth and progress throughout your life.

2. Cultivate Meta-Rationality

Develop meta-rationality by realizing your own limitations and critically assessing what skills will truly matter in emerging sectors and technologies, rather than just feeling good about yourself.

3. Develop Judgment via Mentors & Online Experimentation

Cultivate good judgment by learning from trusted mentors who teach you about different areas, supplemented by extreme and intense online experimentation (e.g., using Google creatively, reading Wikipedia, listening to podcasts, curating social media feeds).

4. Combine Online & Face-to-Face Learning

Combine intense online learning and experimentation with face-to-face learning from human mentors who can guide, inspire, motivate, and steer you, as this combination leads to success.

5. Identify Intellectual Mistakes

Actively seek to identify your intellectual mistakes, facing up to the fact that you often don’t make the ‘best move’ intellectually, as this is crucial for continuous improvement and avoiding ossification.

6. Work on Imperfections

Face up to your own imperfections and actively work on them, as this habit is consistently rewarded.

7. Take Responsibility for Problems

Take responsibility for your own problems and imperfections, even if external factors are involved, and focus on working on them.

8. Re-energize After Setbacks

Prioritize re-energizing yourself in the face of setbacks, recognizing that morale is increasingly important in today’s world.

9. Embrace Humility & Re-energize

Accept feedback and embrace humility by recognizing that you will rarely be the best, using this realization to re-energize yourself rather than becoming discouraged.

10. Cultivate Internal Motivation

Foster internal motivation by focusing on aspirations and what you want to become, rather than claiming to be the best, as the internet constantly reveals others who are superior.

11. Master Deference to Expertise

Develop the wisdom to know how and when to defer to the knowledge and judgment of others, especially given the abundance of information available online.

12. Know When to Defer to Algorithms

Recognize that in a world of algorithms and AI, attempting to ‘beat’ them will lead to more mistakes; instead, cultivate the judgment to know when to defer to their advice.

13. Practice Epistemic Modesty

Develop epistemic modesty, which means having good judgment about when to trust the advice of others (including algorithms and online sources), as this is becoming more valuable than raw intelligence.

14. Question Independent Opinions

Recognize that on most matters, someone else likely knows more than you, so question the need to always hold independent opinions and consider finding expert opinions to inform your own.

15. Be Less Certain of Opinions

Cultivate intellectual humility by being far less sure about many of your opinions, acknowledging the vastness of knowledge held by others.

16. Learn from Disagreement

When encountering information that offends or disagrees with you, avoid dismissing it immediately; instead, try to learn from almost everything, as dismissal prevents growth.

17. Seek Out Disagreeable Books

Actively seek out and read books you disagree with, as they are more likely to challenge and educate you than books that simply confirm your existing views.

18. Avoid Devalue and Dismiss

Consciously avoid the intellectual move of ‘devalue and dismiss’ when encountering ideas or people, as this habit significantly hinders learning and personal improvement.

19. Generalize in Source Evaluation

If you choose to be a generalist, prioritize developing expertise in evaluating the quality of sources across all online platforms, as this skill is rapidly increasing in importance.

20. Be a Critical & Modest Online Reader

Be a critical reader of online information, judging the quality of sources, while also maintaining epistemic modesty to avoid becoming ‘stupider’ in the age of the internet.

21. Acquire Tech & People Skills

Acquire necessary skills and talents, specifically working with information technology and software, or developing wonderful people skills (sales, marketing, management), to thrive in a world where computers enhance productivity or compete against human labor.

22. Continuous Retraining

Retrain yourself every three to five years to stay current with rapidly changing information technology and software skills.

23. Identify Core Skillset

Identify whether you are primarily a ’tech person’ or a ‘sales, marketing, persuasion manager person’ and focus on developing expertise in one of these areas to position yourself well in the job market.

24. Adopt Munger’s Specialization-Generalization Mix

Consider Charlie Munger’s advice to hyper-specialize for 80-90% of your time, dedicating the remaining time to becoming a generalist in ‘big ideas’ of the world.

25. Be Authentic & Niche-Focused

In a competitive environment with many demands on attention, be authentic, dedicated, or target a niche to do something really interesting, as ‘slop’ will no longer suffice.

26. Prioritize Reading Time

For most books (excluding classics), don’t feel obligated to finish them; instead, constantly evaluate if continuing a book is more valuable than starting a new one, finishing only truly compelling works.

27. Pre-screen Books Ruthlessly

Start by reading the opening 20-30 pages of a book to quickly determine if it’s worth your time, discarding more than half if they don’t pass this initial test.

28. Fold Pages to Aid Memory

If you own a book, fold over pages with notable content to help you remember specific points, as the physical act can aid recall.

29. Curate Your News Consumption

Instead of consuming bundled news (like traditional newspapers), pick and choose individual articles and sources that are most efficient and relevant for you.

30. Leverage Easy Access to Culture

Utilize platforms like Spotify, YouTube, and Netflix streaming to easily and quickly access culture, allowing you to ‘pack more in’ without needing to physically ‘go out and do culture as much’.

31. Explore Foreign Films

Actively explore foreign films from countries like South Korea, Iran, or Latin America, as they offer diverse storytelling and can be a richer cinematic experience than current Hollywood offerings.

32. Prioritize Movies Over TV

Consider prioritizing watching movies over TV shows, as movies are often underrated and offer a higher quality experience than much of today’s ‘overrated’ TV.

33. Limit TV Consumption

Consciously limit your TV watching to very few, high-quality shows, or none at all, due to time constraints and the belief that movies are often better.

34. Adopt Rigorous Saving System

For those under 40, adopt a rigorous saving system with fixed rules, treating it ‘almost like a religion,’ to build wealth despite low-interest rates.

35. Live Off First Job Wage

Strive to live happily off the wage from your first job, banking any subsequent income increases, as this strategy in your 20s can set you up for life.

36. Minimize Spending with Internet Resources

Leverage the internet to find free or low-cost entertainment and resources, questioning the need to spend excessively and thereby facilitating saving.

37. Prioritize Function Over Status Purchases

Prioritize functional and reliable possessions (like a car) over expensive status symbols, even with a high income, to support saving and a deliberate lifestyle.

38. Avoid Bitcoin for Saving

Do not rely on Bitcoin as a primary means for saving or putting your wealth, despite its current interest.

39. Don’t Prioritize Being Right in Fights

In disagreements, especially with loved ones or colleagues, recognize that you are often wrong (or both sides are wrong) and avoid prioritizing proving yourself right, as this is usually a mistake.

40. Internalize Your Fallibility

Emotionally internalize even a small percentage of the realization that you are often wrong in disagreements, as this can significantly improve your interactions.

41. Expose Teens to Role Models

Expose your children, especially during their teen years, to many of your quality friends who can serve as alternative role models, as your direct influence as a parent becomes limited.

42. Promote Chess Education

Support and engage with initiatives that promote chess education, recognizing its value for developing thinking skills, though not necessarily making it mandatory.

43. Utilize Internet for Positive Gaming

Leverage the internet’s increased access to gaming, especially those with intellectual components, as a positive development for learning and development.

44. Be Cautious When Gifting Books

Be cautious about giving books as gifts, as the recipient might feel obligated to read it or misinterpret the implied message, unless you are certain it’s the perfect book for them.

Average is Over is both a book about the present and the future. It refers to a world where there's a fundamental divide across workers.

Tyler Cowen

The wisdom in knowing how and when to defer is like the key wisdom of 2018, of our time.

Tyler Cowen

If you give a book away, the danger is a person will read it just because it's a gift. Unless you think it's the book they should be reading. It's actually a slightly cruel act to give someone a book.

Tyler Cowen

I don't know anyone who thinks well.

Tyler Cowen

Overall, I'm more interested in reading books I disagree with than books I agree with.

Tyler Cowen

You're bringing to bear your last 53 years of reading on the book. And most of your reading, your understanding results from your prior investment.

Tyler Cowen

Be epistemically modest, but also be a critical reader. And just having a general knowledge of how to evaluate sources... That is so important. And it's skyrocketing in significance.

Tyler Cowen

Most of the time you're wrong in this fight. And if you can carry just like 10% of that realization and internalize a bit of it emotionally, I think you can do a little bit better.

Tyler Cowen

Non-Fiction Reading Process

Tyler Cowen
  1. Read the opening 20-30 pages to determine if the book is worth continuing.
  2. If it passes, read as much as is interesting, even if it's only half, then move on.
  3. For truly excellent books, read them cover to cover.

Learning and Improvement (Inspired by Chess)

Tyler Cowen, based on Alexander Kotov's 'How to Think Like a Grandmaster'
  1. Analyze a problem or game, writing out your detailed analysis.
  2. Compare your analysis to a high-quality expert analysis to identify your mistakes.
  3. Emotionally accept and get used to the process of recognizing your own errors.
every three to five years
Retraining frequency for tech workers for those working with information technology and software
a quarter to a third of my time
Tyler Cowen's travel time spent on the road
6% to 8%
China's economic growth rate range of economic growth
1930s or 40s
Age of NYC subway signaling systems dating from this period
$30 or $40
Maximum rush hour toll on Route 66 (Virginia) can be this high
56 years old
Tyler Cowen's current age at the time of the interview
28
Tyler Cowen's daughter's age at the time of the interview
10
Age Tyler Cowen started playing chess started playing very early in life
16
Age Tyler Cowen quit competitive chess played intensely for about five years
about five of those years
Years of intense competitive chess play between ages 10 and 16
never experienced interest rates above, I don't know, 5% or 6% in their lifetime
Interest rate experience for people under 40 implication for millennials' savings
15 years
Time for internet culture development almost all of it put in place
three
Tyler Cowen's age when he started reading personal anecdote about lifelong reading