#98 Sahil Lavingia: Observing the Present

Dec 8, 2020
Overview

Sahil Lavingia, founder and CEO of Gumroad, discusses building a billion-dollar business, the hardest skills for success, hiring strategies, and patterns of success and failure. He shares insights on investor expectations, the value of observation, and cultivating meaningful relationships.

At a Glance
33 Insights
1h 11m Duration
13 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Growing Up in Singapore: A Unique City-State

The Influence of Peer Groups and Conscious Choices

The Genesis of Gumroad: Solving a Personal Need

The Realities and Expectations of Raising Venture Capital

The Pressure of Building a Billion-Dollar Business

Overcoming Failure: Layoffs and the Path to Profitability

The Hardest Skill for Success: Saving Other People Time

Key Hiring Attributes: Communication, Writing, and Transactional Focus

Common Patterns of Success and Failure in Entrepreneurship

The Value of Broad Exploration vs. Deep Diving in Learning

Influential Books and Understanding Reality

Personal Insecurities: Ambition, Work, and Family

Sahil's Writing Process and the Art of Observation

Singapore as a Rorschach Test

Singapore is described as a country that reflects different political and economic viewpoints, with libertarians appreciating its flat tax and lack of minimum wage, while progressives note its government-built housing and central planning. This makes it a unique example that people use to support their own ideologies.

You are the average of your five friends

This concept highlights the profound impact of one's immediate peer group on personal outcomes. Through osmosis and socialization, individuals tend to absorb the values, expectations, and behaviors of those they spend the most time with, shaping their trajectory in life.

Startup Friends

In Silicon Valley, 'startup friends' refers to a specific type of relationship where individuals meet once for coffee, and if a business need arises, they will respond to an email. It signifies a professional, symbiotic connection rather than a deep, personal friendship.

Venture Capital Power Law

This describes the investment model where a small percentage of investments (e.g., the top 10%) must generate extremely high returns (over 10X initial capital) to compensate for the majority of investments that either fail or yield minimal returns, making it worthwhile for LPs in an illiquid asset class.

Signal Value of Fundraising

Raising money from prominent investors provides a significant credential that grants credibility and opens doors. This 'signal' can be valuable for a founder, allowing them to be taken seriously in professional settings, regardless of the ultimate outcome of the venture.

Saving Other People Time

This is identified as a critical skill for business success, involving operating in a way that minimizes effort and stress for others. It includes proactive actions like sending calendar invites with all necessary links, diligent note-taking, and clear follow-ups, essentially providing a 'concierge service' for interactions.

Ambient Signaling

A communication style where an individual consistently provides updates and context without being prompted. This allows others, particularly managers, to stay informed about progress and needs, reducing stress and enabling proactive problem-solving.

Observation as a Fundamental Skill

In both painting and writing, observation is the core skill, referring to the ability to truly see and pay attention to what is in front of you, rather than relying on preconceived notions or symbols. This deep focus on the present moment allows for accurate representation and understanding.

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What was it like growing up in Singapore?

Growing up in Singapore was unique, characterized by extreme safety, cleanliness, and a pragmatic, strategic national approach. It's a city-state with a mix of libertarian and socialist policies, high expectations for education, and a financially motivated culture.

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How can one consciously choose the people they hang around with to influence their outcomes?

By being mindful of the content consumed and the people interacted with, one can shape their environment. If you focus on becoming the type of person you admire, opportunities to connect with similar individuals will arise organically.

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What was the origin story of Gumroad?

Sahil wanted to sell a pencil icon he designed online but found no simple platform for direct sales, likening it to a 'lemonade stand.' He built Gumroad over a weekend in 2011 to fill this gap, allowing creators to easily sell digital products to their audience.

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What do founders often realize about raising venture capital after the fact?

Founders often learn that raising money doesn't mean investors will solve their problems; investors are busy, and the company's success remains the founder's sole responsibility. VC funding is an investment in potential, not a handout for day-to-day problem-solving.

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What is the typical expectation for venture-backed businesses in Silicon Valley?

The expectation is to achieve 'crazy outsized returns,' often aiming for a billion-dollar outcome. This high potential is necessary to justify the illiquid nature of venture capital and to attract early employees who forgo stable, high-paying jobs for equity.

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How did Sahil cope with Gumroad not initially becoming a billion-dollar business?

He experienced significant internal disappointment and felt like a failure, especially in the context of Silicon Valley's success-driven culture. Gaining physical and emotional distance by moving away from San Francisco helped him process these feelings and gain perspective.

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What was Sahil's biggest mistake with Gumroad?

His worst mistake was signing an expensive new office lease for 33,000 square feet at $25,000/month, expecting rapid growth to 40-50 employees, while simultaneously struggling to raise a Series B. This commitment led to significant financial losses and pain when the company had to downsize and cut staff.

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When should a venture-backed company consider pivoting to profitability?

If a company isn't achieving exponential growth (e.g., 10-20% month-over-month) around the Series A or B stage, it's a critical signal to pause, recalibrate, and potentially shift focus to sustainable profitability rather than continuing on a high-burn, venture-backed growth path.

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What is the hardest skill to transfer for success in business?

The ability to save other people time is the hardest skill. This involves being thoughtful, diligent, and proactive in interactions, reducing the cognitive load and stress for others, making them want to collaborate with you.

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What qualities does Sahil look for when hiring new employees?

He values strong communication, especially over-communication and excellent writing skills, which allow for ambient signaling of progress and needs. He also appreciates a transactional mindset where individuals are clear about their role and what they aim to achieve.

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What are some common patterns of success among entrepreneurs?

Successful entrepreneurs build things themselves, don't ask for permission, possess hard skills, save others time, feel grateful, prioritize quality over quantity in their outreach, and engage in deep reading driven by genuine curiosity rather than social incentives.

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What is the best approach to learning and reading for broad insights?

Sahil primarily explores broadly rather than diving deep into single subjects. He believes that many easy insights come from connecting disparate fields and that genuine, non-socially incentivized curiosity leads to unexpected and valuable long-term discoveries.

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How can one become a better observer of the present moment?

Becoming a better observer involves intense attention and note-taking, similar to how a painter meticulously studies a subject. This deliberate focus forces the brain to register details it would otherwise filter out, leading to a deeper understanding of reality.

1. Own Your Problems

Take full responsibility for your challenges and company, as no one else will fix them or make you rich; it’s up to you to convert potential into kinetic energy.

2. Curate Your Peer Group

Consciously choose the people you surround yourself with, as you become the average of your five closest friends, and their questions will become your own.

3. Gain Perspective Through Distance

To overcome self-consciousness and analyze your life objectively, create physical or mental distance from the environment that shapes your identity.

4. Avoid External Identity Validation

Do not conflate your identity or value with your rank, position, or what you can do for others, as this can be detrimental long-term.

5. Build Voluntary Relationships

Form relationships that feel ‘at will,’ where both parties frequently re-up, fostering a voluntary and less attached connection with employees, investors, and others.

6. Prioritize Saving Others’ Time

Operate in a way that requires less effort from others, acting like a concierge service to make interactions stress-free and easy for them.

7. Over-communicate Proactively

Consistently communicate your needs, feelings, and what’s happening now, next week, and next month to reduce stress for others and allow them to solve problems before they arise.

8. Master Written Communication

Spend time writing and revising emails and other communications to ensure clarity and provide all necessary context, saving time for all involved and elevating the conversation.

9. Make Specific Requests for Help

When seeking help, make very specific requests (e.g., ‘an intro to X’ with a blurb and deck) rather than generic ‘how can I help?’ to enable quick and efficient assistance.

10. Consciously Choose Your Inputs

Be mindful of the books you read, people you listen to, and tweets you follow, as you absorb their perspectives and ‘you are what you eat’.

11. Read Deeply and Broadly

Engage in deep reading about your industry and other subjects, and also explore broadly to find new and different connections and insights.

12. Read Without Social Incentive

Read books and learn for the sake of knowledge and becoming smarter, rather than for social signaling or immediate external validation.

13. Prioritize Observation as Skill

Recognize that observation is a fundamental skill; truly seeing what’s in front of you and noticing details is often the hardest part of learning or creating.

14. Break Down Skills into Fundamentals

To learn a skill, break it down into its fundamental building blocks and master those sequentially to gain a deep understanding rather than just memorizing.

15. Understand Physical Reasons

Seek to understand the fundamental physical reasons behind phenomena (e.g., why hot water cleans faster) to gain a deeper grip on reality and apply knowledge effectively.

16. Immerse Yourself in Your Field

If you aspire to a certain role (e.g., founder), spend time hanging out with people in that role and working in related early-stage environments.

17. Build Relationships Without Agenda

Cultivate relationships by discussing product or other topics without an agenda, as this builds trust and can accidentally do the work for future opportunities.

18. Build and Create Things

Actively build and create things, rather than just having ideas or needing others to do everything for you, as this demonstrates initiative and capability.

19. Start Small and Figure It Out

If you want something badly, figure out how to start with what you have, even if it’s not your ‘dream project,’ and learn as you go.

20. Don’t Ask for Permission

Take initiative and proceed with your ideas and projects without waiting for external validation or permission.

21. Focus on High-Quality Outreach

Instead of a numbers game (e.g., 100 emails for 3 yeses), focus on sending fewer, highly personalized emails (e.g., 3 emails, 3 hours each) with the expectation of a high success rate.

22. Recalibrate When Growth Slows

If your venture-backed company isn’t growing as fast as needed, pause, recalibrate, and figure out a new strategy before drastic measures are required.

23. Automate Tasks with Software

Utilize software tools like Calendly, Zapier, and Airtable to automate routine tasks, effectively operating as if you had a full-time executive assistant.

24. Clarify Meeting Agendas Upfront

When someone asks to ‘catch up,’ proactively ask them what they want to talk about to ensure both parties are prepared and the meeting is efficient.

25. Prepare in Advance for Meetings

Do the necessary work ahead of time (e.g., reading material) so that you can contribute effectively and potentially avoid the meeting altogether if information can be shared asynchronously.

26. Process Obsessive Thoughts by Writing

If a thought is stuck in your head, process it by figuring out what it is, why it is, and packaging it for clarity, then share it to release it.

27. Engage in Deep, Focused Work

Dedicate focused, intense effort to solve problems, treating it like a workout where you push yourself to concentrate deeply.

28. Balance Conversation and Solitude

Structure your life to alternate between engaging in interesting conversations and spending time completely alone.

29. Read ‘How to Win Friends’

Read Dale Carnegie’s ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’ as a canonical example of operating in a way that makes others’ lives easy and stress-free.

30. Read ‘Thinking, Fast and Slow’

Read Daniel Kahneman’s ‘Thinking, Fast and Slow’ to understand cognitive biases and decision-making.

31. Read Matt Ridley’s Books

Read Matt Ridley’s books to understand the physical and biological constraints of the brain and body, helping to differentiate what you can and cannot control.

32. Read David Deutsch’s Books

Read ‘The Beginning of Infinity’ and ‘The Fabric of Reality’ by David Deutsch to explore concepts like parallel universes, quantum mechanics, and free will.

33. Learn from Past Entrepreneurs

Read books like ‘The PayPal Wars’ and ‘In the Plex’ to learn from the experiences of those who built companies before, applying timeless lessons rather than starting from scratch.

No one was going to fix my problems. They were investing because they believed in me and they believed in my potential. But it was up to me to still sort of take that potential energy and turn it into kinetic energy.

Sahil Lavingia

No one's going to make you rich. Like, you know, people are busy solving their own problems.

Sahil Lavingia

Your perception is your reality.

Sahil Lavingia

The second they sell you the car, they've sold you the car.

Sahil Lavingia

You need the promise of, or the potential of there needs to be a billion dollar plus outcome here.

Shane Parrish

Failure is such a meme almost at this point in something you read about when it happens to you, when it really, you know, even though you knew the odds coming into it, when it, when you realize like, oh, you're part of history. Like this is, uh, you are the example that other people might be referring, you know, when it feels very, very different.

Sahil Lavingia

It's like static electricity where like you, you know, you ever go too long without touching something, you hit something and you're just like, you're like skin fries for a second. It's like, but if you did that all the time, it would never happen.

Sahil Lavingia

If you remove the social incentive, so much of this you've done because of the social incentive, it's to comment, it's to go to work and talk about something.

Sahil Lavingia

It's like food poisoning or something where it's just like in my system and I can't get it out and I can't stop thinking about it every day.

Sahil Lavingia

The fundamental skill in painting was observation. It wasn't like paint application and like knowing color theory. It was like, can you even see what's in front of you well?

Sahil Lavingia
around 15%
Singapore flat tax rate No matter how much income is made, no capital gains tax.
80%
Singapore government-built housing percentage A characteristic of its centrally planned system.
18
Sahil's age when second employee at Pinterest After leaving USC.
19
Sahil's age when starting Gumroad After leaving Pinterest.
more than $300 million
Gumroad creator earnings (total) Since its inception.
$1 million
Gumroad seed round amount Raised from investors like Naval.
$7 million
Gumroad Series A round amount Raised in 2012 from Kleiner Perkins.
21
Sahil's age when raising $10 million Combined seed and Series A funding.
30%
VC portfolio company failure rate Companies that die.
30%
VC portfolio company low return rate Companies that return less than 1X.
10%
VC portfolio company high return rate The top percentage of companies that return over 10X of initial capital.
75%
Gumroad staff reduction (percentage) From 20 down to 5 people in 2015 during layoffs.
33,000 square feet
Old Gumroad office size Cost $10,000/month.
$25,000
New Gumroad office monthly cost Signed for scaling from 20 to 40-50 people.
around $100,000
Loss from breaking office lease After finding a new tenant.
$2 million
Gumroad bridge round amount At 4X liquidation preference, from Kleiner and Mark Cuban.
9 months
Time spent trying to grow business faster after bridge round Before deciding on mass layoffs.
$10,000
Gumroad monthly profit after layoffs Achieved after downsizing and becoming profitable.
10-20%
Expected month-over-month growth for venture-backed companies To stay on the venture-backed path, especially around Series A/B.