How To Build A Cult | Lulu Cheng Meservey

Sep 16, 2025
Overview

Lulu Cheng Meservey, CCO/EVP at Activision Blizzard and VP of Comms at Substack, now creator of Rostra, shares strategies for effective communication in a noisy world. She discusses how to grab attention, build trust, handle attacks, and influence perception through human connection and conviction.

At a Glance
33 Insights
1h 49m Duration
18 Topics
9 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

How to Grab Attention in a Noisy World

Crafting Effective Narratives and the Importance of the Hook

Why Governments and Corporations Communicate Poorly

The Power of Human Conviction in Leadership

The Relationship Between Trust, Likability, and Belief

Engineering Trust Through Shared Values and Consistency

Strategic Responses to Public Relations Attacks

Fighting Stories with Stories, Not Statistics

The Advantage of Being First and Using Pre-buttals

Developing Intellectual Sharpness Through Sparring

Leveraging the Underdog Position and Playing Offense

Three Key Elements for Impactful Storytelling

The Halo Effect and its Influence on Perception

Practical Communication Advice for Workplace Interactions

Lessons from Counterinsurgency for Startup Growth

Establishing Second Strike Capability for Deterrence

Analyzing Donald Trump's Communication Effectiveness

Defining Personal Success in Communication

Venn Diagram of Communication

This mental model suggests that effective communication lies in the overlap between what the communicator wants to say and what the audience already cares about. By meeting the audience in this shared interest, you can then guide them towards your full message.

The Hook

The initial element of communication designed to immediately capture attention, especially crucial in environments with short attention spans like social media. It can manifest as humor, curiosity, strong emotion, or a new angle on a relevant topic.

Deterrence (in PR)

The strategy of signaling that if you are attacked in a meaningful way, you will retaliate, making potential adversaries less likely to target you. This involves consistently responding to attacks to establish a reputation as a 'hard target'.

One Death is a Tragedy, a Thousand are a Statistic

This concept highlights that individual, human-centered stories are far more impactful and relatable than abstract statistics or large numbers. To move people, it's more effective to focus on a specific person's experience than broad data points.

Pre-buttal

A proactive communication tactic where you anticipate and address potential criticisms or attacks by acknowledging and owning them yourself before an opponent can use them against you, effectively disarming their argument.

Communication Velocity

Effective communication is a vector, possessing both magnitude (the quantity of communication) and direction (a clear, intentional goal or idea to spread). Without a clear direction, communication becomes frantic, wasteful activity that may cancel itself out.

Halo Effect

A cognitive bias where a positive impression of a person or entity in one area influences positive perceptions in other, unrelated areas. For example, if someone is admired for their business acumen, people might also trust their opinions on unrelated topics like food.

Cheerleader Effect

A phenomenon where individuals are perceived as more attractive when seen in a group than when seen alone. In a business context, this suggests that associating with other impressive individuals or companies can elevate one's own perceived status or credibility.

Tit for Two Tats

An optimal strategy in repeated game theory interactions, where you might tolerate a first transgression but will always retaliate against a second. This approach balances cooperation with establishing a strong, predictable deterrent effect over the long term.

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How can individuals and companies capture attention in a noisy, content-saturated world?

By focusing on human beings and human stories, conveying genuine conviction, and tying facts together into a compelling narrative arc that people feel compelled to follow.

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How do you determine the most effective narrative to tell for a broad audience?

Identify the overlap in a Venn diagram between what you care about and what your target audience cares about, then start by speaking to that shared interest before guiding them to your full message.

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Why do many governments and large corporations communicate so poorly?

Often, it's due to a 'ship of Theseus' effect where people copy existing, ineffective communication styles, and because communication roles are often separated from the core leadership, leading to a focus on quantity over effective understanding.

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How does human conviction influence belief and recruitment?

People find it hard to resist someone who looks them in the eye and tells them with absolute conviction that something is true, even if the merits of the pitch are poor. This vulnerability can be used to build belief, especially when combined with trust and repetition.

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How can trust be 'engineered' or built with an audience?

Trust can be built through repeated exposure (becoming not a stranger), establishing shared values, and consistently speaking with complete conviction.

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What is the effective playbook for responding to a public relations attack?

First, assess if the attack truly matters by considering who it's reaching and if the accusation is material. If it matters, respond immediately and aggressively to 'break the nose back' and prevent the narrative from festering.

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How should one counter an opponent who is using emotionally compelling stories that lack factual basis?

You must fight stories with stories, not just statistics. Look for more powerful human stories beneath the statistics or tell a story about the opponent's deceptive tactics.

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What is the advantage of being the first to communicate in a public dispute?

Being first allows you to frame the narrative, set the terms of the discussion, and even preemptively address potential criticisms (a 'pre-buttal'), leaving opponents with less to say.

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How can an underdog effectively leverage their position when facing a more powerful adversary?

Underdogs can use the natural sympathy people have for them, rally their aligned supporters by framing an attack on them as an attack on 'all of us,' and strategically pick fights against specific, tangible foils rather than vague problems.

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What are the three essential elements for making a difference with your story or communication?

1) A clear, relevant message (the Venn diagram overlap), 2) The right mediums to reach the specific target audience, and 3) The right messenger (often the leader or founder) who can convey genuine conviction.

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How can an individual apply communication strategies to advance their career or personal goals?

By being intentional and strategic about the 'product' (themselves) they are presenting, identifying what their target audience (boss, colleagues, partner) needs to believe about them, and then consistently conveying proof points through messages, mediums, and their own actions.

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What can startups learn from insurgent groups regarding communication and growth?

Insurgent groups demonstrate how to rally people to an seemingly irrational cause against an established power structure by conveying extreme conviction, painting a new reality, and making people believe in something bigger than immediate logic.

1. Leaders Must Communicate Directly

Have the leader of an enterprise speak directly about their vision, rather than relying on intermediaries or PR teams. This conveys human conviction, builds trust, and is essential for rallying people around an original vision, especially for startups.

2. Find Venn Diagram Overlap

Determine your communication narrative by finding the overlap between what you care about and what your specific audience cares about. This ‘gateway drug’ hook makes people receptive and allows you to lead them into your broader message.

3. Convey Human Conviction

Convey messages with absolute human conviction, looking people in the eye and telling them with unwavering belief that something is true. People find it hard to resist conviction, making them buy into what you’re saying, even if the pitch’s merits are weak.

4. Prioritize the Hook

Spend most effort on crafting a sharp, engaging hook for your communication before considering story details or distribution channels. The hook is the most overlooked and high-leverage part, as attention spans are very short (e.g., <5 seconds for video, first paragraph for text).

5. Engineer Trust & Shared Values

Build trust by becoming familiar through repeated exposure and establishing a set of shared values with your audience. People trust those they know and those who share their core beliefs, making them more receptive to your message.

6. CEO’s Role: Weigh All Interests

As a CEO, weigh legal risks against other critical factors like trust, reputational risk, and long-term company value, rather than solely deferring to lawyers. The CEO’s job is to find the net optimal outcome, as reputational damage can cost far more than legal fees.

7. Establish Second Strike Capability

Build a reputation for fighting back if provoked, making it clear you are not a soft target and will respond to attacks. This establishes strong deterrence, making your life easier in the long run by discouraging future attacks.

8. Spar to Sharpen Thinking

Regularly engage in sparring sessions with diverse viewpoints, surrounding yourself with people who will challenge your ideas and welcome skepticism. This practice makes you intellectually sharper, better prepared for real-world confrontations, and prevents intellectual brittleness.

9. Be Intentional About Personal Brand

Consciously decide what image you want to project in any life context (e.g., as an employee, friend, partner) and intentionally present proof points that foster that perception. People retain very few things about us; intentionality prevents haphazard perception and helps achieve goals like promotions.

10. Cultivate Belief to Override Rationality

Inspire belief in your vision to overcome immediate rational objections, making people see the world through a new prism. Belief can supersede immediate logic, enabling recruitment of talent and support for ambitious, seemingly irrational goals.

11. Fight Stories with Stories

When facing an opponent using stories, counter their narratives with your own powerful stories, looking for them ‘under the statistics.’ Statistics are less impactful than stories, especially when facing narrative attacks.

12. Tie Facts to Narrative Arcs

Present information by tying facts together in a chain to form a bigger narrative arc, rather than just dropping isolated facts. This gives people something to hang on to and feel compelled to follow, making your message more engaging.

13. Define Your Audience Specifically

Clearly define who you are speaking to (e.g., company employees, specific interest groups) rather than trying to address an infinite audience. Watering down messages for a too-broad audience makes them ineffective; specificity allows for maximal interest.

14. Use Humor, Curiosity, Emotion

Craft your hook using humor, curiosity, strong emotion (wow/WTF), or by offering a new angle on a topic your audience already follows. These are common and effective ways to grab and hold attention across different audiences.

15. Be Interesting to Specific Audience

Tailor your message to be maximally interesting to your identified audience by understanding their ‘cultural and intellectual erogenous zones’ and linking your message to them. Trying to be interesting to everyone results in a diluted, marginal message; specificity makes it impactful.

16. Break Corporate Copycat Cycle

Avoid blindly copying existing corporate communication styles; instead, do something original and courageous. Most corporate comms are hollow and meaningless; original approaches can break the cycle and set a better standard.

17. Start Debates by Agreeing

When arguing or debating, always make sure to start by agreeing with your opponent on something, even if it’s trivial. This establishes that seeing things the same way is possible, making productive conversation more likely.

18. Show Up and Defend

Directly confront insults or attacks, especially online, by personally engaging and defending yourself or your organization. Confronting a person (even online) changes behavior, often causing attackers to fold, and builds deterrence.

19. Assess Attack Before Responding

Before responding to an attack, determine if it truly matters by evaluating if it reaches your important audience and if the accusation is material to your reputation. Don’t waste time on irrelevant attacks; focus resources on those that can cause real damage.

20. Respond Immediately & Aggressively

If an attack matters, respond immediately and aggressively to address significant reputational damage head-on. Delaying allows the damage to fester, making it harder and more painful to fix later.

21. Use Pre-buttals for Attacks

If you know what people are going to attack you for, preemptively address those criticisms. Being first allows you to frame the narrative and disarm critics, similar to Eminem’s rap battle strategy.

22. Mute Toxic, Don’t Block Disagreement

Use the mute function for genuinely abusive or threatening content, but allow differing opinions and disagreements into your feed. Insulating yourself from disagreement makes you fragile; engaging with it helps you adapt and grow.

23. Leverage Underdog Position

If you are an underdog facing a powerful attacker, use that position to your advantage by framing attacks from larger entities as punching down. People naturally sympathize with underdogs and are skeptical of bullies, allowing you to rally your aligned audience.

24. Diffuse Pressure by Spreading

When under attack, broaden the scope of the attack to include your allies or a broader cause. This spreads the ‘force’ over a wider ‘surface area,’ diffusing pressure on you and rallying support.

25. Maximize Pressure by Narrowing

When on offense (e.g., in a defensive response), narrow the target of your complaint to maximize pressure. Instead of broad complaints, pinpoint specific issues or individuals to make your complaint more credible and effective.

26. Pick a Specific Foil

To gain attention as an underdog, choose a specific ‘foil’ or concrete obstacle to fight against. This provides something tangible for people to rally around, making your movement more relevant and easier to understand than vague complaints.

27. Focus on Comms Velocity

Ensure your communication efforts have both magnitude (quantity) and a clear direction (purpose). Define the specific idea you want to spread and ensure all comms activities build towards that destination, avoiding frantic, wasted activity.

28. Apologize Only When Accountable

Apologize only when you have genuinely done something wrong and take accountability, but resist apologizing for things you haven’t done. This builds trust and strong deterrence; arbitrary apologies make you a soft target.

29. Use Simple, Common Language

Communicate using simple, common words that everybody knows, avoiding jargon unless your audience specifically understands it. This ensures your message is universally understood and prevents miscommunication.

30. For Micro-Comms, Know WHAT/WHY

For everyday communications like emails, texts, or presentations, clearly define what you want to say and why the audience should care. Most communications lack clear goals; this clarity ensures effectiveness and prevents wasted time.

31. Leverage Halo Effect

Be mindful of who you associate with, as positive associations can enhance your perceived value and trustworthiness. People use proxies and mental shortcuts (the halo effect) to make decisions, so being seen with impressive people or entities can benefit you.

32. Tit for Two Tats Strategy

In long-term relationships and repeated interactions, employ a ’tit for two tats’ strategy: allow one transgression but respond decisively if crossed a second time. This is an optimal balance between cooperation and deterrence.

33. Attach Content to Humans

Have content be attached to a human mascot or representative. People gravitate to human beings and stories, making content more cared about and memorable than generic content.

The surface area of the opportunity we have to latch on is getting more and more fine, which means that the hook that we need to use has to get more and more sharp.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

If someone is fighting you with stories, you have to fight with stories. Under the statistics are more powerful stories.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

If you're trying to relieve pressure, you don't get to change how much force is coming at you, but you can change the surface area. You're not just attacking me. You're attacking all of us.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

The loss in trust, the loss in future prospects, customers, employees who defect, that recruit that doesn't accept the job offer, it could add up to billions.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

The three things for actually making a difference with your story are one, what is the message? Two, what are the right mediums? And then lastly, having the right messenger.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

The lie makes its way around the world before the truth can get its pants on.

Winston Churchill

In practice, I'm sorry, I know I'm not a lawyer. In practice, I've never seen someone lose a case because the CEO expressed human remorse and empathy. And that was the thing that made them lose in the courtroom. I just haven't seen it.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

You need to have something about you that's a little bit spiky. You need to be hard to step on. And if you can establish that up front, you will make the rest of your life so much easier.

Lulu Cheng Meservey

Responding to a Public Relations Attack

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  1. Assess if the attack actually matters by evaluating who it's reaching and if the accusation is material.
  2. If it matters, respond immediately and aggressively to prevent the narrative from taking hold and festering.
  3. If the attack is narrative-based, counter with a more powerful story, not just statistics.
  4. If you anticipate an attack, address the criticisms proactively by owning or diffusing them before they are used against you (pre-buttal).

Making a Difference with Your Story

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  1. Identify the core message you want to convey, focusing on the overlap between what you care about and what your audience cares about.
  2. Choose the right mediums that effectively reach your specific target audience, rather than just seeking the largest distribution.
  3. Ensure the message is delivered by the most credible and convincing person, often the leader or founder, who can convey genuine conviction.

Building Trust

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  1. Engage in repeated exposure to become familiar to your audience, so you are no longer a stranger.
  2. Establish a set of shared values to find common ground with your audience.
  3. Speak with complete conviction and do so repeatedly over time to reinforce belief.
Less than 5 seconds
Time to get attention (social media video clip) Before people decide whether to keep scrolling.
99%
Viewer drop-off rate (social media video) After 30 seconds, for videos posted on social media.
More than 10x
Cost of silence in a crisis (reputational damage) Compared to direct legal costs, due to lost opportunities and consumer trust.
Third grade
Donald Trump's vocabulary level Making his communication widely accessible and understandable.