#04 - AMA #1: alcohol, best lab tests, wearables, finding the right doc, racing, and more

Jul 9, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

In this inaugural AMA, Peter Attia, MD, answers listener questions on diverse topics. He discusses alcohol consumption, essential lab tests for longevity, wearable technology, selecting a physician, his exercise regimen, learning strategies, belief formation, and his current diet.

At a Glance
27 Insights
2h 13m Duration
20 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to the AMA Format and Bob Kaplan

Physiological Effects and Personal Approach to Alcohol Consumption

Debunking the French Paradox and Resveratrol Myths

Essential Lab Tests for Longevity and Cardiovascular Risk

Understanding LDL-P, APOB, and the Utility of Cholesterol Tests

The Importance of Oral Glucose Tolerance Tests with Insulin

Continuous Glucose Monitors (CGM): Use, Accuracy, and Value

Impact of Children on Diet and Food Environment

The Role of Family History in Health Risk Assessment

How to Select a Great Primary Care Physician

Challenges and Skills in Race Car Driving

Ayrton Senna's Legacy and Impact on Motorsport

The Value of iRacing Simulators and Favorite Cars

Evolution of Open Water Swimming Nutrition Strategy

Peter's Current Exercise Regimen and Philosophy on Longevity

Recommended Wearables and Their Practicality

Strategies for Deep Learning and Knowledge Acquisition

Reflections on Wasted Time and Personal Drive

Process for Forming Beliefs and Navigating Uncertainty

Transitioning Away from a Ketogenic Diet and Current Eating Habits

Ethanol as a Toxin

Ethanol is a toxin, and its impact on the body is dose-dependent, with a probability distribution affecting individuals differently. Its metabolism in the liver produces aldehyde, another toxin, and it acts as a GABA agonist in the brain, causing CNS depression and euphoria.

French Paradox

The 'French Paradox' is the observation that the French have lower rates of heart disease despite a diet high in saturated fat and regular red wine consumption. Peter Attia suggests this is due to a poor understanding of epidemiology and is more likely related to overall dietary patterns rather than red wine benefits or resveratrol.

Hyperinsulinemia

This refers to elevated insulin levels, particularly after meals (postprandial). It can occur even when glucose levels appear normal and is considered a harbinger of insulin resistance, indicating a need for early intervention to prevent future metabolic issues.

Understeer

In driving, understeer occurs when the steering wheel is turned more than the car's wheels are actually turning, causing the car to drift wider than intended in a corner. It is typically caused by too much speed and is relatively easier to correct visually.

Oversteer

In driving, oversteer happens when the car's rear end starts to come out faster than desired, causing the car to turn more sharply than the front wheels are directed. This sensation is primarily felt in the driver's seat rather than visually, making it a more challenging skill to learn and correct.

Healthspan vs. Lifespan

Lifespan refers to the total duration of one's life, while healthspan emphasizes the period of life spent in good health and free from chronic disease and disability. Exercise contributes to both, but its benefits on healthspan (quality of life, cognitive and physical function) are particularly significant.

Unconsciously Incompetent

This is the first stage in the four stages of competence, where an individual neither understands nor recognizes a deficit in a skill, nor does he or she possess new knowledge. Peter Attia used this framework to describe his swimming ability prior to formal training.

Facts Have a Half-Life

This mental model suggests that scientific facts and beliefs are not immutable but have a limited shelf-life, meaning what is considered true today may be revised or disproven tomorrow. It encourages humility and a continuous learning mindset in science and medicine.

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What are the physiological effects of alcohol on the body?

Ethanol is a toxin metabolized primarily by the liver, producing aldehyde. It acts as a CNS depressant (GABA agonist) but can paradoxically have an excitatory effect. It can also negatively impact sleep, increasing resting heart rate and reducing heart rate variability.

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Does red wine offer health benefits, such as those suggested by the French Paradox or resveratrol?

Peter Attia is not convinced that ethanol itself offers health benefits. The French Paradox is likely due to other dietary factors, and the amount of resveratrol in red wine is insufficient to replicate the longevity benefits observed in high-concentration lab studies, which themselves have not been consistently reproduced.

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What are the most important lab tests for assessing longevity and cardiovascular risk?

Key tests include LP little a (particle number or mass), APOE genotype, and LDL-P (or APOB). An oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) with insulin measurements is also crucial for assessing metabolic health, along with ALT for liver function.

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Why is measuring insulin during an oral glucose tolerance test important, even if glucose levels appear normal?

Measuring insulin is critical because a patient can have normal fasting glucose and still exhibit postprandial hyperinsulinemia, meaning their body is producing excessive insulin to keep glucose levels in check. This is an early indicator of insulin resistance and potential future metabolic problems.

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How does a Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM) compare to an OGTT with insulin for understanding a patient's metabolic health?

While a CGM doesn't measure insulin, a month of accurate CGM data with food information can be more valuable than a single OGTT because it provides real-world, continuous feedback on glucose responses to various foods, exercise, and stress, allowing for a more comprehensive understanding of daily metabolic patterns.

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What are the four key pillars to consider when choosing a primary care physician?

The four pillars are Availability (access to the doctor), Affability (getting along with the doctor), Ability (the doctor's competence and up-to-date knowledge), and Advocacy (the doctor's ability to navigate the healthcare system and refer to specialists).

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What was the hardest skill for Peter Attia to learn in race car driving?

The hardest skill was learning to correct oversteer, which is when the car's rear end slides out. Unlike understeer, oversteer is primarily felt rather than visually cued, requiring an unintuitive and precise sequence of steering wheel adjustments and throttle modulation to regain control.

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What is the best exercise for longevity and maintaining muscle mass as one ages?

Lifting weights is considered the single most important exercise for longevity, particularly for maintaining muscle mass as people age. Adequate muscle mass is crucial for preventing frailty and maintaining physical function into older age, though it requires adapting exercises to minimize injury risk.

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What is Peter Attia's strategy for learning something deeply?

His strategy involves total immersion, which includes reading recent review articles, watching lectures, and learning from experts. He also emphasizes hands-on experience (learning by doing) and, when possible, hiring people to synthesize complex information, effectively 'cheating' the system to accelerate knowledge acquisition.

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What is Peter Attia's biggest regret or what does he wish he had done differently with his time?

His biggest regret is the amount of time and energy wasted on dysfunctional emotions, such as worrying about things he couldn't change or being angry at people. He wishes he had spent more time in the present with people who matter, rather than dwelling on the past.

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How does Peter Attia form his beliefs, especially in complex fields like nutrition?

He operates with the mindset that 'most facts have a half-life,' acknowledging that current knowledge may change. He focuses on 'knowing the most' rather than 'being right the most,' embracing humility and the probabilistic nature of science. He also accepts that decisions must sometimes be made with incomplete information, weighing risks of action versus inaction.

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Why did Peter Attia discontinue his ketogenic diet, and what does his current diet look like?

He discontinued it after three years primarily because he missed certain foods like his curry stir-fry, rice, and fruits, not due to health concerns. His current diet involves time-restricted feeding, avoiding processed junk food, and including good carbohydrates like potatoes and rice in moderation, alongside plenty of vegetables and protein sources.

1. Embrace the Half-Life of Facts

Approach knowledge with the understanding that ‘most facts have a half-life,’ maintaining humility and readiness for current beliefs to be proven untrue or nuanced by new information, as science only increases the probability of belief, rather than providing definitive proofs.

2. Make Decisions Despite Uncertainty

Recognize that in life and medicine, you often cannot wait for 100% certainty; make decisions by assessing the risk of inaction against the risk-adjusted outcome of taking action, even if the latter isn’t guaranteed perfect.

3. Prioritize Doctor’s Curiosity and Learning

When selecting a physician, prioritize their intellectual curiosity and passion for continuous learning, asking how much time they dedicate to reading medical literature and staying updated, as this indicates a commitment to practicing modern medicine.

4. Seek a Doctor Who Welcomes Patient Engagement

Choose a doctor who is not ‘put off by a curious patient who’s showing up wanting to be actively involved in their health,’ as this indicates a collaborative approach to your well-being.

5. Lift Weights Consistently for Healthspan

Prioritize consistent weightlifting (e.g., 3 days/week) throughout life, especially after age 40, to maintain muscle mass, which is critical for preventing frailty and enhancing physical healthspan as you age, making compromises in exercise choice to avoid injury.

6. Prioritize Movement Prep for Injury Prevention

Dedicate significant time to flexibility and movement correction (‘movement prep’) to prevent injuries, recognizing its impact on long-term physical health and the absence of injury generation.

7. Embrace Total Immersion for Deep Learning

Adopt a strategy of ’total immersion’ when learning something deeply, consuming all available information (papers, lectures, cases) rather than seeking shortcuts, and engaging directly with experts.

8. Leverage Research Support for Knowledge Acquisition

Consider hiring or collaborating with skilled researchers to synthesize vast amounts of information (e.g., turning ’tens of thousands of pages into 50 or 100 pages’), allowing for a geometrically increased knowledge acquisition, even if it means sacrificing some nuance.

9. Seek Mentors Who Excel at Teaching

Identify and learn from mentors who not only possess deep knowledge but also have a natural ability to teach and explain complex topics in a way that resonates with your learning style.

10. Start Deep Learning with Review Articles

Begin deep dives into new topics by reading the most recent review articles to gain a broad overview, focusing on understanding figures first, then delving into the text, rather than starting with narrow primary literature.

11. Monitor Liver Function (ALT)

Track your ALT (transaminase) levels, aiming for below 20, as current lab ’normal’ ranges (e.g., up to 42) may not reflect optimal liver health and could indicate fatty liver disease.

12. Test LP(a) and APOE Genotype Once

Get tested once for LP(a) (lipoprotein(a)) and APOE genotype, as these are critical genetic markers for cardiovascular risk and Alzheimer’s disease, respectively, providing insights for early intervention.

13. Track LDL-P and VLDL Remnant

Monitor LDL particle number (LDL-P) and VLDL remnant (using VLDL cholesterol, aiming for <15 mg/dL), as these are crucial lipoprotein markers for assessing cardiovascular disease risk.

14. Undergo Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT) with Insulin

Take an OGTT that measures both glucose and insulin to detect postprandial hyperinsulinemia, which is an early indicator of insulin resistance, even if glucose levels appear normal. Aim for fasting glucose <90, 1-hour postprandial <120-130, 2-hour glucose <100, and fasting insulin <6.

15. Utilize CGM for Real-Time Dietary Feedback

Wear a continuous glucose monitor (CGM) to gain real-time feedback on how specific foods, exercise, and stress impact your glucose levels, serving as an ‘accountability coach’ for dietary choices and promoting healthier eating habits.

16. Prioritize Whole, Unprocessed Foods

Focus on eating whole, unprocessed foods and restrict ‘bad carbohydrates’ (e.g., anything that comes in a package) rather than strictly restricting all carbohydrates.

17. Control Your Food Environment

Actively manage your home food environment by minimizing unhealthy ‘kid food’ or processed items, as you are most vulnerable to making poor dietary choices in the environment where you eat most frequently.

18. Recognize Individual Variability in Diet Response

Understand that dietary responses, such as to a ketogenic diet, vary significantly among individuals; avoid the ‘ketosis is for everybody’ mindset and acknowledge that what works well for one person may not work for another.

19. Adopt a Fat-Adapted Feeding Strategy for Endurance

For long endurance events like open water swims, adopt a highly fat-adapted feeding strategy to minimize reliance on glycogen/glucose, potentially using supplements like UCAN and Biosteel, and reducing feeding frequency and concentration compared to high-carb approaches.

20. Limit Alcohol for Sleep Quality

Restrict alcohol consumption to one drink or less, as two or more drinks can significantly impair sleep quality by increasing resting heart rate, delaying the achievement of resting heart rate, and suppressing heart rate variability and REM cycles.

21. Purpose-Driven Alcohol Consumption

Evaluate the ‘why’ behind drinking alcohol, questioning if it’s for the sake of drinking, to soothe an issue, or if it leads to undesirable behaviors (e.g., loosening reins on eating). Opt for ‘purpose-driven drinking’ only with exceptional quality alcohol.

22. Avoid Dwelling on Unchangeable Past Events

Minimize time and energy spent ‘worrying about things that don’t matter, worrying about things I can’t change,’ such as past relationships or grudges, and instead focus on being present with important people.

23. Thoroughly Document Family Medical History

Gather a detailed family medical history, as it can provide more valuable insights into your genetic predispositions for conditions like heart disease, cancer, and dementia than a whole genome sequence, often predicting risks like elevated LP(a) before blood tests.

24. Consider Carbohydrate Refeeding Before OGTT

If on a ketogenic or very carbohydrate-restricted diet, refeed with 150 grams of carbohydrates for about three days before an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT) to avoid misleadingly elevated glucose and insulin responses.

25. Incorporate Daily Mini Workouts

Get a ‘mini workout in’ before early commitments, such as a 5 AM train, to ensure physical activity is not missed, specifically mentioning ‘a little bit of time for squats’ to a daily max.

26. Practice Complex Skills in Simulators

Utilize high-fidelity simulators to practice and learn complex skills, such as race car driving, to gain hundreds of hours of experience and refine techniques (e.g., modulating throttle/brake, understanding lines) before engaging in real-world, high-cost, or high-risk activities.

27. Use Oura Ring for Accurate Sleep Tracking

Employ an Oura Ring for highly accurate sleep tracking, as it measures off an arterial waveform, providing reliable data on sleep quality, though it should be removed for activities like deadlifts or heavy bag work.

I'm not convinced that there is a single benefit to ethanol, the molecule in the human body.

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I'm not saying a glass of red wine a day is harmful, but I'm saying it's not benefiting your health.

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I have zero utility for total cholesterol.

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If you fail a glucose tolerance test on glucose levels, well, then you've really failed. And what do I define as a failure? I want to see fasting glucose typically below 90. I want to see one hour postprandial below 120 to 130, depending on the amount of muscle mass the person has. And I want to see two hour glucose below 100.

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Don't be confused by affability at the expense of ability.

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I think that muscle mass as you get older becomes an enormous difference between people who are frail and people who are not.

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I think that's kind of the first thing you have to wed yourself to is there's a chance that what I think I know today won't be true tomorrow.

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If you think more about how can I know the most rather than how can I be right the most? I think that also takes a little bit of the edge off.

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I think I am fortunate that I found largely productive outlets for my obsessions and my numbing of pain, which I think everybody has.

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Peter Attia's General Rule of Thumb for Alcohol Consumption

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  1. Don't drink alcohol for the sake of drinking.
  2. If drinking, choose high-quality alcohol (purpose-driven drinking).
  3. Avoid drinking in situations where alcohol quality is poor (e.g., airplanes).
  4. Be mindful of the 'why' behind drinking (e.g., soothing issues, leading to undesirable eating behaviors).

Correcting Oversteer in Race Car Driving

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  1. Jerk the steering wheel in the direction of the slide (e.g., to the right if the back end is moving right) to flip the front of the car.
  2. Pause momentarily to allow the car to correct itself.
  3. Apply throttle to drive through the line and regain control.

Peter Attia's Current Exercise Regimen

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  1. Lift weights three days a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday), incorporating metabolic conditioning.
  2. Ride the Peloton or Wahoo Kicker (using TrainerRoad) on the other four days (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday).
  3. Incorporate significant movement preparation (flexibility and movement correction) for injury prevention.
  4. Aim to reprioritize swimming twice a week and potentially running again.

Peter Attia's Current Eating Principles

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  1. Practice time-restricted feeding, often skipping breakfast.
  2. Avoid processed junk food; if it comes in a package, it shouldn't be eaten.
  3. Include good carbohydrates like potatoes and rice in about four out of seven daily meals.
  4. Consume plenty of vegetables, including large salads.
  5. Rotate protein sources such as lamb, beef, and fish.
15 grams
Grams of ethanol per standard drink Approximate amount in an ounce of distilled spirits, a 4-ounce glass of wine, or 10-12 ounces of beer.
42
Upper limit of normal ALT (liver enzyme) on current lab ranges Peter Attia considers below 20 normal, highlighting an upward drift in population averages due to conditions like NAFLD.
Less than 1%
Percentage of liver transplants for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) in 2000 Projected to be the leading indication for liver transplant in the US by 2025, due to the success in treating Hep C and the rise of NAFLD.
Below 6
Target fasting insulin level Peter Attia's personal target for patients.
Less than 15 milligrams per deciliter
Target VLDL cholesterol level Calculated as non-HDL cholesterol minus LDL cholesterol.
Plus or minus 7%
Accuracy of Dexcom G5 CGM Compared to the Libre (plus or minus 20%) and Dexcom G6 (plus or minus 3-4%).
Plus or minus 3-4%
Accuracy of Dexcom G6 CGM Considered highly accurate, with a much easier insertion method and no required calibration.
3 years
Time Peter Attia spent on a ketogenic diet Discontinued due to missing certain foods, not health or performance issues.
90% fat, 7% protein, 3% carbohydrate
Peter Attia's ketogenic diet macronutrient ratio As a percentage of total calories, consuming 4400-4500 calories daily while exercising heavily.
117 milligrams per deciliter
Peter Attia's peak glucose after dinner on a non-ketogenic diet After a meal of smoked salmon, Greek salad, and lamb with lemon potatoes.
95 milligrams per deciliter
Peter Attia's peak nighttime glucose Observed on his CGM, typically his highest glucose levels at night, often in response to cortisol.