#24 - Tom Dayspring, M.D., FACP, FNLA – Part V of V: Lp(a), inflammation, oxLDL, remnants, and more

Oct 19, 2018 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Thomas Dayspring, a lipidology expert, concludes his series with Peter Attia, discussing inflammation, endothelial health, and oxidative stress in cardiovascular disease. They delve into biomarkers like Lp(a), ADMA/SDMA, and ApoC3, emphasizing personalized assessment and the tragic impact of untreated disease.

At a Glance
33 Insights
1h 29m Duration
15 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Part V: Lp(a), Inflammation, and Personal Stories

Understanding Lipoprotein(a) (Lp(a)): Definition and Measurement Challenges

Statin and PCSK9 Inhibitor Effects on Lp(a) Clearance

Future of Lp(a) Management: APOA Synthesis Inhibitors and Risk Stratification

Inflammatory Pathways and Cardiovascular Disease: IL-1 Inhibitors and Methotrexate

Biomarkers for Oxidative Stress: oxLDL, Myeloperoxidase, and Isoprostanes

LPPLA-2: Its Mechanism and Limitations as a Prognostic Biomarker

Endothelial Health Markers: ADMA and SDMA, and their Link to Nitric Oxide

Homocysteine, Renal Function, and ADMA/SDMA

Demystifying Lipoprotein Remnants and their Pathological Role

The Critical Role of ApoC3 in Lipoprotein Clearance

Omega-3 Fatty Acids (EPA vs. DHA) and ApoC3

Why Red Blood Cells Do Not Cause Atherosclerosis

The Tragic Story of Tom's Friend Earl and the Motivation for Lipidology

The Complexity of Biology and Medical Understanding

Lipoprotein(a) (Lp(a))

An LDL-like particle with an additional apoprotein called apoprotein little a (Apo(a)) adhering to it. Its molecular weight is highly variable, making mass measurements less reliable than particle count for assessing its concentration.

Lp(a) Particle Count (Lp(a)-P)

A more accurate metric for Lp(a) than mass, obtained by separating lipoproteins electrophoretically and immunostaining ApoB on particles in the Lp(a) distribution range. This method quantifies the number of Lp(a) particles, which is crucial given the variable molecular weight of Apo(a).

Minimally Oxidized LDL (oxLDL)

A plasma measurement that reflects a pro-oxidative state, specifically changes in ApoB proteins due to aldehydes. It does not measure truly oxidized LDL particles, which are oxidized within the arterial wall, not in the plasma.

F2 Isoprostanes

Derivatives formed when fatty acids are oxidized, serving as a reliable urinary biomarker for pro-oxidative states. They have been clearly linked to increased oxidative stress in the body.

Lipoprotein Phospholipase A2 (LPPLA-2)

An enzyme made by macrophages that oxidizes phospholipids on LDL particles after they enter the arterial wall, leading to the production of pro-atherogenic molecules like lysolecithin. Its activity or mass in plasma has not been definitively linked to improved outcomes in clinical trials.

Asymmetric Dimethylarginine (ADMA) & Symmetric Dimethylarginine (SDMA)

Proteolytic byproducts that interfere with the body's ability to produce nitric oxide from arginine, a critical molecule for vascular reactivity and endothelial health. Elevated levels suggest impaired endothelial function.

Lipoprotein Remnants

Smaller parts of lipoprotein classes (like VLDL, IDL, and chylomicrons) that are enriched in cholesterol and can contribute to atherosclerosis. Their clearance is significantly affected by their ApoE and ApoC3 content, and delayed clearance can lead to cholesterol enrichment.

Apolipoprotein C3 (ApoC3)

A protein that retards the clearance of triglyceride-rich lipoproteins and enhances VLDL production, contributing to cholesterol enrichment in these particles. Hypofunctioning ApoC3 is strongly linked to increased longevity and reduced cardiovascular risk.

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What is Lipoprotein(a) (Lp(a))?

Lp(a) is an LDL-like particle with an additional apoprotein, apoprotein little a (Apo(a)), attached to it. It is considered a potentially pathogenic and atherogenic particle.

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Why don't statins effectively lower Lp(a)?

Statins upregulate LDL receptors, but Apo(a) on Lp(a) particles may camouflage the LDL receptor binding domain on ApoB, making it harder for LDL receptors to clear Lp(a) particles compared to regular LDL particles.

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What is the best way to measure Lp(a)?

The best way to measure Lp(a) is through an Lp(a) particle count (Lp(a)-P), which quantifies the number of particles. Lp(a) mass measurements are less reliable due to the variable molecular weight of Apo(a).

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What are the limitations of measuring oxidized LDL (oxLDL) in plasma?

Plasma oxLDL measures 'minimally oxidized' LDL, which has some protein changes but is not truly oxidized. True oxidation of LDL, which macrophages internalize, occurs within the arterial wall, not in the plasma due to natural antioxidants.

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Is LPPLA-2 a useful biomarker for cardiovascular risk?

The data for LPPLA-2 as a prognostic biomarker is poor, and Mendelian randomization studies have shown no link between its levels and outcomes. Clinical trials with LPPLA-2 inhibitors also failed to reduce cardiovascular events.

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How do ADMA and SDMA relate to endothelial function?

ADMA and SDMA are byproducts that interfere with the body's ability to produce nitric oxide from arginine, a critical molecule for vascular reactivity and endothelial health. Elevated levels indicate endothelial dysfunction.

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What is the significance of ApoC3 in lipid metabolism and cardiovascular disease?

ApoC3 is a protein that delays the clearance of triglyceride-rich lipoproteins (remnants) and promotes VLDL production, leading to cholesterol enrichment in these particles. Hypofunctioning ApoC3 is strongly linked to increased longevity and reduced cardiovascular risk.

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Why don't red blood cells cause atherosclerosis, despite carrying a lot of cholesterol?

Red blood cells do not cause atherosclerosis because they are too large to invade the arterial wall and are not subject to the same oxidative forces that lead to macrophage ingestion and plaque formation as ApoB-containing lipoproteins.

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What is the difference in effect between DHA and EPA on ApoC3?

DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) has been shown to lower ApoC3 levels, whereas EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) does not. This suggests a potential advantage for DHA in managing ApoC3-related pathologies.

1. Get Checked for Preventable Diseases

Do not ignore preventable and treatable diseases like cardiovascular disease; get regularly checked and seek accurate advice based on correct metrics to avoid needless early deaths.

2. Focus on ApoB Particle Number

Prioritize lowering ApoB particle number (LDL-P) as it is the primary driver forcing particles into the arterial wall, leading to oxidation and plaque formation.

3. Utilize Biomarkers for Personalized Therapy

Employ a comprehensive panel of biomarkers to identify existing pathologies and individualize therapeutic suggestions, combining nutritional and pharmacological approaches as needed to normalize identified issues.

4. Address Insulin Resistance for Remnants

If you suspect remnants, address insulin resistance through nutritional therapy, including some degree of carbohydrate restriction and incorporating fasting, especially if not in a high-risk category requiring immediate pharmacology.

5. Measure ApoC3 Content of ApoBs

Seek a blood test for ApoC3 content of ApoB particles, as ApoC3-enriched LDLs are not effectively cleared and are a significant biomarker for cardiovascular risk, especially in those with high triglycerides.

6. Optimize ApoC3 Function for Longevity

Understand that hypofunctioning ApoC3 is a strong predictor of longevity, suggesting that optimizing ApoC3 function is crucial for long-term cardiovascular health.

7. Consider DHA to Lower ApoC3

If aiming to lower ApoC3, consider supplementing with DHA (docosahexaenoic acid), as it has been shown to lower ApoC3, unlike EPA.

8. Use High-Dose EPA to Lower ApoB

Consider high-dose, prescription-strength EPA as an adjunctive therapy to statins, as it can lower ApoB by an additional 8-10% and has other physiological benefits.

9. Assess Omega-3 Index via Red Blood Cells

To accurately assess your omega-3 status, measure red blood cell omega-3s (omega-3 index) which reflect long-term intake (30-90 day half-life), rather than transient plasma levels.

10. Measure LP(a) Particle Count

To accurately quantify dangerous LP little a particles, seek an LP little a particle count (LP(a)-P) assay, which uses electrophoresis and immunostaining, as traditional NMR assays lipid content, not protein content.

11. Measure ADMA/SDMA for Endothelial Function

Measure asymmetric (ADMA) and symmetric (SDMA) dimethyl arginine levels to assess endothelial function, as elevated levels indicate impaired nitric oxide synthesis due to reduced arginine availability.

12. Address Hyperhomocysteinemia

If you have hyperhomocysteinemia, address it (e.g., with methylated B vitamins for MTHFR mutations) as it inhibits the clearance of ADMA and SDMA, thereby impairing nitric oxide production and contributing to vascular pathology.

13. Prioritize Cystatin C for Renal Function

Use cystatin C instead of or in addition to creatinine for assessing renal function, especially in muscular individuals, as it is not influenced by muscle mass and provides a more accurate measure.

14. Utilize Dual EGFR for Best Renal Assessment

Seek a dual estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) calculation based on both creatinine and cystatin C for the most comprehensive and accurate assessment of renal clearance.

15. Investigate Albuminuria

If albumin is present in your urine, investigate further as it signals a serious vasculopathy or kidney disease, indicating membrane problems in glomeruli or blood vessels.

16. Use ADMA/SDMA to Drive Lifestyle Change

In primary prevention, if ADMA/SDMA markers are elevated, use this as a signal of endothelial dysfunction to become super aggressive nutritionally and consider pharmacological interventions if lifestyle changes are insufficient.

17. Target Non-LP(a) LDL-P with Statins

If you have high LP little a, statins will primarily lower LDL particles that do not have ApoA attached, providing benefit even if your total LDL-P remains higher than desired due to the LP little a component.

18. Consider PCSK9 Inhibitors for LP(a)

If LP little a is high and affordable/covered, PCSK9 inhibitors can lower LP little a particle count by 30-50%, offering a more significant reduction than niacin.

19. Use Oxidative Markers for Nutritional Guidance

Measure oxidative markers like OXLDL, myeloperoxidase, or F2 isoprostanes to identify a pro-oxidative state and encourage nutritional therapies to combat it, as specific drugs or supplements for this are not yet definitively proven.

20. Assess Oxidized ApoB Phospholipids with High LP(a)

If you have high LP little a, consider assessing oxidized ApoB phospholipids (if available) as this indicates a ‘double whammy’ of risk, potentially guiding more aggressive interventions.

21. Investigate Omega-3 Supplement Form

Inquire about the specific esterification vehicle of your omega-3 supplement (e.g., mono-, di-, or triacylglyceride, or phospholipid) as this affects bioavailability and the presence of other fatty acids.

22. Ensure Adequate Pancreatic Enzyme Function

If taking esterified omega-3 supplements (most common forms), ensure healthy pancreatic enzyme function, as these enzymes are necessary to de-esterify the fatty acids for absorption.

23. Commit to Lifelong Learning

Continuously study and learn, especially in complex fields like medicine, as deep understanding requires sustained effort and is not acquired quickly.

24. Consult Experts for Complex Topics

For complex topics, seek guidance from recognized experts rather than relying solely on general internet information, as experts can provide nuanced and accurate insights.

25. Ground First Principles in Biology

While first principles thinking is valuable, in biology, always ground your theoretical conclusions in established facts and experimental data, as biological systems often defy simple derivations.

26. Exercise Caution with Niacin for LP(a)

While some lipidologists use niacin to lower LP little a by about 20% and lower ApoB, it does not improve HDL particle count and may even worsen HDL function by making HDLs bigger.

27. Exercise Caution with IL-1 Inhibitors

Be aware that IL-1 inhibitors, while effective in reducing inflammation and improving outcomes, are expensive and carry a risk of increased cancers due to serious inhibition of the immune system.

28. Limit LPPLA-2 Testing

LPPLA-2 is not a reliable pro-oxidative biomarker for predicting outcomes or guiding therapy, and its inhibitors have shown no outcome reduction; it may only be useful as a one-time screening in primary prevention.

29. Understand OXLDL Limitations

When measuring OXLDL in plasma, recognize it reflects ‘minimally oxidized’ ApoB (aldehydes on ApoB) and indicates a pro-oxidative state, rather than truly oxidized LDL particles which occur in the arterial wall.

30. Consider F2 Isoprostanes for Oxidation

To assess a pro-oxidative state, consider measuring F2 isoprostanes via a small urine sample, as this biomarker is clearly linked to oxidative stress.

31. Monitor SDMA for Renal Function

Use SDMA as an additional marker for renal function, as elevated levels can indicate renal disease and contribute to pathology by decreasing nitric oxide production.

32. Recognize VLDL Cholesterol as Poor Remnant Estimate

Understand that VLDL cholesterol (estimated by triglycerides/5 or non-HDL minus LDL cholesterol) is a poor and often inaccurate estimate of pathological VLDL remnants.

33. Use Correct Lipid Terminology

Use ‘LP little a’ (small case ‘a’) to refer to the potentially pathogenic, atherogenic LDL particle, and ’lipoprotein A’ or ‘apoprotein A1’ for the main apoprotein on an HDL particle, to avoid confusion.

LP little a, there are some people who still argue, hey, niacin makes sense because it lowers LP little a. I'm going to save everybody on this podcast the brain damage of listening to us discuss that for the next 20 minutes and just bypass us to the more interesting question, which is why don't statins lower LP little a?

Tom Dayspring

So if I then take that LP little a hump and I immunostain it with a antibody that binds to ApoB, I've just counted the number of particles that are in the LP little a distribution range.

Tom Dayspring

I've been around too long since seeing lowers this and lowers that and they don't work.

Tom Dayspring

So right now, my guess is APOA is affecting totally efficacious binding to an LP little a particle. It's camouflaging the LDL receptor binding domain on APOB. And therefore, I better learn how to inhibit synthesis of it.

Tom Dayspring

Inflammation is necessary, but not sufficient. You do need an inflammatory response, but you can have an inflammatory response and that by itself doesn't necessarily...

Peter Attia

The field is infinitely more complex than you ever imagined. It took me a long, and I'm a, as Mike Davison calls me, Tom's a self-taught lipidologist.

Tom Dayspring

Every doctor wants to do the best by their patient. I mean, that's just, I believe that wholeheartedly. I get very frustrated when I hear people say that doctors are in the pockets of pharma companies and they're just in it for the money. I mean, that's sure there's going to be some of those people, but I haven't met those guys.

Peter Attia
600 nanomole per liter (or higher)
High-risk Lp(a) particle count A concentration of Lp(a) particles considered high risk, where an APOA synthesis inhibitor drug would be studied.
~20%
Niacin's Lp(a) lowering effect The approximate reduction in Lp(a) levels that niacin can achieve.
30% to 50%
PCSK9 inhibitor's Lp(a) lowering effect The approximate range of reduction in Lp(a) levels seen with PCSK9 inhibitors.
$30,000
Cost of IL-1 inhibitor drug The approximate cost of the IL-1 inhibitor drug discussed, which published nice outcome data but had downsides.
~5%
Percentage of total LDL particles that are minimally oxidized The approximate percentage of total LDL particles measured as 'minimally oxidized' in plasma.
30 to 90 days
Red blood cell omega-3 half-life The approximate half-life of red blood cell omega-3s, making them a good long-term marker like glycated hemoglobin.
Closer to 10%
Target red blood cell EPA/DHA level A suggested target for red blood cell EPA/DHA levels, though some experts might suggest higher.
3-4 grams
High dose prescription strength EPA The dosage of EPA used in an upcoming outcome trial.