#268 ‒ Genetics: testing, therapy, editing, association with disease risk, autism, and more | Wendy Chung, M.D., Ph.D.

Aug 28, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Wendy Chung, a board-certified clinical and molecular geneticist, discusses the evolution of genetics from pre-Human Genome Project to modern sequencing. She explores genetic testing types, the underpinnings of conditions like PKU, breast cancer, and autism, and the future and ethics of gene therapy.

At a Glance
10 Insights
2h 27m Duration
16 Topics
11 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Dr. Wendy Chung and Her Work

Understanding Phenylketonuria (PKU) and Newborn Screening

Evolution of Genetic Research: Pre-Human Genome Project

Insights and Surprises from the Human Genome Project

Differentiating Genetic Tests: Commercial vs. Clinical

Whole Genome Sequencing and Mosaicism Explained

Genetic Testing for Breast Cancer Risk

The GUARDIAN Study: Genomic Newborn Screening

Gene Therapy: Historical Context and Current State

Gene Addition vs. Gene Editing: CRISPR and Prime Editing

Gene Therapy Targets: Tay-Sachs and Fragile X Syndrome

Genetics of Obesity and Epigenetics

Genetics and Heritability of Autism Spectrum Disorder

Genetic Factors in Cardiovascular Disease

Economic and Ethical Considerations of Gene Therapy

The Future of Clinical Genetics and Gene Editing

Mendelian Condition

A condition caused by a single gene, often following predictable inheritance patterns. Phenylketonuria (PKU) is an example, where a single gene defect leads to a specific biochemical problem.

Positional Cloning

A method to identify a gene based solely on its location within the genome, without prior knowledge of its biological function or physiology. This approach was considered revolutionary and enabled the discovery of many disease genes.

Contigs

Contiguous sequences of DNA that are pieced together informatically from smaller, overlapping DNA fragments during genome sequencing. This process is like assembling a jigsaw puzzle to reconstruct the full DNA sequence.

Exome

The aggregate of all coding regions (exons) within the genome. While it represents only about 1.5% of the total DNA sequence, it contains the instructions for making proteins, which are critical for most biological functions.

Read Depth

The number of times a specific nucleotide position in the genome is sequenced. A higher read depth (e.g., 30x or 1000x) increases the accuracy and confidence in identifying true genetic variants versus sequencing errors, especially for rare mutations.

Germline Mosaicism

A condition where some cells in the germline (egg or sperm) carry a genetic mutation, while others do not, resulting in a 'mosaic' pattern. This can lead to a parent transmitting a mutation to offspring even if the mutation is not present in all their somatic cells.

Polygenic Risk

The cumulative risk of a disease or trait determined by the combined effect of multiple genes, each contributing a small amount. This contrasts with monogenic conditions caused by a single gene and is relevant for complex diseases like cancer, obesity, and cardiovascular disease.

Gene Addition Therapy

A gene therapy strategy where a missing or non-functional gene is added back into cells, often using a viral vector, to produce the necessary protein or enzyme. This approach is typically used for recessive conditions where a loss of function is the primary problem.

Gene Editing

A gene therapy strategy that involves making precise, in-situ corrections to existing genetic variants within the genome, rather than adding a new gene. This method aims to 'fix' the problematic gene directly, often by changing single base pairs or larger segments.

CRISPR-Cas9

A gene editing system that works by making a double-stranded DNA break to correct genetic variants. While powerful, this method can lead to some instability and off-target effects as the cell repairs the break, potentially introducing unintended genetic changes.

Epigenetics

Chemical modifications to the genome that affect gene regulation without changing the underlying DNA sequence. These dynamic changes, such as methylation, can vary over a person's life and by cell type, influencing gene expression.

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What is Phenylketonuria (PKU) and how is it treated?

PKU is a recessive genetic condition that, if untreated, leads to intellectual disabilities due to the buildup of toxic byproducts from phenylalanine. It is treated with a lifelong diet restricted in phenylalanine, which prevents brain damage.

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What was the scientific understanding of genetics before the Human Genome Project?

Before the Human Genome Project, genetic work was very manual, involving techniques like radioactivity and reading DNA ladders on gels. Scientists understood DNA structure and its role in making RNA and protein, but lacked comprehensive genomic maps and high-throughput methods.

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What was a major surprise from the Human Genome Project's initial findings?

A major surprise was that humans have only about 20,000 genes, far fewer than initial estimates of up to 100,000. The complexity of human biology was found to lie more in how these genes are reused and regulated (isoforms) rather than in a vast number of unique genes.

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What is the difference between direct-to-consumer genetic tests (like 23andMe) and clinical genomic tests?

Direct-to-consumer tests are generally for recreational purposes, focusing on ancestry or non-medical traits by looking at specific single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). Clinical genomic tests, such as whole exome or whole genome sequencing, are designed to answer specific medical questions, looking at a much broader range of genetic information for disease risk or diagnosis.

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What is the significance of germline mosaicism?

Germline mosaicism means that a parent's egg or sperm cells contain a mutation not present in all their other body cells. This allows for the transmission of a genetic condition to offspring even if the parent themselves does not fully express the condition.

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What is the GUARDIAN study and its goal?

The GUARDIAN study (Genomic Uniform Screening Against Rare Diseases in All Newborns) is a newborn screening program that uses genome sequencing from dried blood spots to identify treatable rare genetic conditions in babies. Its goal is to provide early diagnosis and intervention, adapting flexibly as new treatments become available.

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How does gene therapy work, and what are its main challenges?

Gene therapy typically uses modified viruses (vectors) to deliver new or corrected genes into cells, often targeting stem cells for long-term effect. Challenges include immune responses to the viral vectors (as seen in Jesse Gelsinger's case), ensuring precise delivery to the correct cell types, and achieving the right dosage without toxicity.

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What is the heritability of obesity and autism?

The heritability of obesity is estimated to be around 50%, indicating a significant genetic component, though environmental factors also play a large role. For autism, heritability is estimated to be approximately 80-90%, making it one of the most highly heritable psychiatric conditions.

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What are the ethical boundaries for gene editing?

The current scientific consensus is that gene editing should focus on treating existing diseases in somatic (body) cells, not on making changes to the germline that would be transmissible to future generations. The concept of 'enhancement' (e.g., making people taller or smarter) is generally considered a line not to be crossed due to unknown long-term risks and societal implications.

1. PKU Management: Phenylalanine-Restricted Diet

If diagnosed with PKU, strictly adhere to a phenylalanine-restricted diet to prevent toxic byproducts from accumulating and causing intellectual disabilities.

2. Seek Second Opinion for Genetic Decisions

Before making major healthcare decisions based on genetic test results, such as a mastectomy, always seek a second opinion to confirm accuracy and avoid irreversible actions.

3. PKU & Pregnancy: Strict Dietary Awareness

Pregnant women with PKU must be extremely vigilant about their diet and aware of all food product contents to protect the developing fetus from adverse effects.

4. Understand Commercial Genetic Test Limitations

Do not rely on commercial genetic tests (e.g., 23andMe, Ancestry.com) for medical diagnoses or an ‘all clear’ on health risks, as they are not designed for medical purposes.

5. Consider Targeted Genetic Testing for Cancer

If you have a family history of cancer or specific ethnic heritage with known genetic risks (e.g., Ashkenazi Jewish for BRCA), consider targeted genetic testing for cancer risk.

6. Consider Medical Genetic Testing for Family Planning

For family planning, consider medical genetic testing to assess the risk of passing on recessive conditions like Tay-Sachs or cystic fibrosis to future children.

7. Explore Newborn Genomic Screening (Guardian)

If available, consider participating in newborn genomic screening studies like Guardian, which identify treatable rare diseases early, enabling timely intervention.

8. Uphold Ethics: Avoid Germline Gene Editing

Support the scientific consensus against germline gene editing, which involves making genetic changes transmissible to future generations, to maintain ethical boundaries.

9. Uphold Ethics: Avoid Gene Enhancement

Adhere to the ethical principle that gene therapy should be used for treating disease and improving health, not for ’enhancement’ of human traits.

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It starts with the patient and ends with the patient.

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Reading out the DNA sequence, we're good at, we're not perfect at.

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The first gene that I cloned took eight years, the last gene I cloned took eight hours.

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We're all 99.9% the same. About one in a thousand base pairs is what you and I probably differ by on average.

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Cancer is at the heart of a genetic disease, but oftentimes not from the genes you're born with, but for the changes that happen over your life course.

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The nice thing about a virus is it was designed by mother nature to infect our cells, right? So it's pretty good at being able to do that.

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Enhancement is a line that people are, I hope, not crossing, that it really is about disease and being able to make people healthier as we're doing this.

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1 in 5,000
PKU frequency in Ireland Estimated frequency of PKU births.
1 in 10,000
PKU frequency in the U.S. Estimated frequency of PKU births.
20,000
Estimated number of genes in humans Current estimate of protein-coding genes in the human genome.
99.9%
Human genetic similarity Average genetic similarity between any two humans, meaning about one in a thousand base pairs differ.
1.5%
Portion of DNA made into proteins (coding regions) Approximate percentage of the human genome that codes for proteins (the exome).
70%
Human Genome Project initial completion Approximate percentage of the 3 billion base pairs identified in the initial 2000 announcement.
30x
Read depth for genome sequencing Average number of times each nucleotide position is looked at to ensure accuracy.
1,000x
Read depth for cancer detection Increased read depth used to detect rare somatic mutations in cancer cells.
5%
Cancers due to highly penetrant monogenic factors Percentage of cancers attributed to powerful single genes with high probability of disease.
5%
Cancers due to moderate risk monogenic factors Additional percentage of cancers attributed to single genes conferring a 2-3 fold increased risk.
50
Genes on a comprehensive breast cancer panel Number of genes typically included in a comprehensive panel for hereditary breast, ovarian, and colon cancers.
3,000+
Babies screened in the GUARDIAN study Number of babies screened in New York City since September 2022.
74%
Parent participation rate in GUARDIAN study Percentage of parents who choose to participate in the GUARDIAN study.
$1,000
Cost per baby for GUARDIAN study sequencing Initial round number cost per baby, including data generation, interpretation, and staff. Goal is to reduce to $100.
$1 billion
Cost of a human genome sequence in 2000 Approximate cost to sequence a human genome at the time of the Human Genome Project's initial completion.
$1,000
Current cost of a human genome sequence Approximate current cost to sequence a human genome.
$1 million to $3 million
Cost range for current gene therapies Typical cost range for FDA-approved gene therapies.
10%
Prevalence of rare genetic conditions in the U.S. population Percentage of the U.S. population estimated to have a rare genetic condition.
0.5 (50%)
Heritability of obesity Estimated heritability based on twin studies.
0.8 to 0.9 (80-90%)
Heritability of autism spectrum disorder Estimated heritability, making it one of the highest for psychiatric conditions.
1,000
Estimated number of genes associated with autism Estimated total number of genes that can contribute to autism, with at least 100 identified with high confidence.
2%
Prevalence of autism today Approximate current prevalence of autism spectrum disorder.
0.5 to 0.6 (50-60%)
Heritability of bipolar disorder and schizophrenia Estimated heritability for these psychiatric conditions.
0.3 (30%)
Heritability of major depression Estimated heritability for major depression.
1 in 500
Prevalence of genetic cardiomyopathies Average prevalence of genetic heart muscle diseases.