#318 ‒ Cycling phenom and Tour de France champion Tadej Pogačar reveals his training strategies, on-bike nutrition, and future aspirations

Sep 23, 2024 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Peter Attia interviews Tadej Pogačar, a three-time Tour de France champion, about his historic 2024 season, training regimen, and nutrition. Pogačar shares insights on race strategy, off-bike preparation, and his approach to balancing intense competition with a healthy mindset.

At a Glance
17 Insights
45m 44s Duration
14 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Tadej Pogacar's Career and Achievements

Recalling the Unexpected 2020 Tour de France Victory

Analyzing the 2022 and 2023 Tour de France Challenges

Simulating Race Conditions in Training

Tadej's Dominant 2024 Season and Preparation Changes

Evolution of Nutrition Strategies for Performance

Utilizing Training Metrics: Heart Rate, Power, VAM, and HRV

Comparing Iconic Tour de France Climbs

Mental Resilience and Rebuilding Confidence After Defeat

Aspirations for Grand Tours and Monument Classics

Interacting with Fans During Races

Reflections on Media Criticism and Historical Records

Off-Season Training and Cross-Training Activities

Early Career Aspirations and Professional Journey

VAM (Velocità Ascensionale Media)

VAM is a cycling metric that measures the average ascent speed, typically in meters per hour. It helps cyclists understand their climbing efficiency and power output relative to vertical gain on a climb.

Zone 2 Training

This refers to a low-intensity aerobic training zone where the body primarily uses fat for fuel, and lactate levels remain low. For Tadej, this involves long rides at a heart rate of 140-155 bpm and power outputs of 290-340 watts, depending on fatigue and terrain.

Heart Rate Variability (HRV)

HRV measures the variation in time between heartbeats, with higher variability generally indicating a more relaxed and recovered state, and lower variability suggesting stress or fatigue. Tadej tracks it but notes it can be misleading and prefers to review it after a race to avoid psychological impact.

Carbohydrate Intake during Racing

This strategy involves consuming high amounts of carbohydrates, such as 120 grams per hour for hard stages, to replenish glycogen stores and sustain high power output. It requires specific gut training to adapt and avoid stomach problems.

Heat Training

A training method where athletes intentionally expose their bodies to high temperatures, often on a home trainer, to adapt to hot race conditions. This adaptation helps improve performance when racing in high heat.

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What were Tadej Pogacar's expectations for the 2020 Tour de France?

He was not expecting to win at all, going into it with two leaders and initially aiming for a podium place, with the victory being an unbelievable surprise in the final time trial.

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How does Tadej Pogacar simulate race conditions in his training?

He identifies similar types of climbs near his home and performs repetitions, matching the number of times a climb will appear in a race to simulate the effort.

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How has Tadej Pogacar's nutrition strategy evolved as he's gotten older?

He has become more detail-oriented with nutrition, incorporating core training and being less obsessed with 'eating shit,' finding a balance with 'bad food' to avoid cravings and extreme restriction.

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What is Tadej Pogacar's approach to Zone 2 training?

He loves riding in Zone 2 for long durations, aiming for 5 hours on flatter terrain at 290-300 watts, or higher intensity Zone 2 on climbs with recovery on downhills.

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How does Tadej Pogacar use Heart Rate Variability (HRV) in his training?

He tracks HRV at night and finds it somewhat helpful, but notes it can be misleading and prefers to have someone else review it after a race to avoid psychological impact.

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Which Tour de France climbs does Tadej Pogacar consider the most difficult?

Of Ventoux, Alpe d'Huez, and Galibier, he finds Ventoux the hardest due to its nature (wind, heat), with Alpe d'Huez second, and Galibier the easiest. He considers Col de la Loze the hardest in the modern Tour.

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How did Tadej Pogacar rebuild his confidence after his difficult 2023 Tour de France?

He evaluated what went wrong, attributing it to a crash and preparation issues, and started to regain confidence with a stage win in the Tour, a third place at the World Championships, and a significant win at Lombardy.

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What are Tadej Pogacar's major career goals beyond winning the Tour de France?

He aims to win the World Championships, Milan-Sanremo, and the Vuelta a España, and then potentially Paris-Roubaix, acknowledging the difficulty of winning all five Monument Classics.

1. Evaluate Setbacks for Growth

After experiencing frustration or a setback, take time to evaluate what went wrong, identify specific mistakes, and determine what you can do better in the future to improve.

2. Balanced Nutrition Approach

Avoid overly restrictive diets by allowing occasional ‘bad food’ in moderation and at appropriate times, as extreme restriction can lead to cravings and an unhealthy relationship with food.

3. Simulate Race Conditions

To prepare for a race, identify similar terrain near home and perform repetitions of efforts (e.g., climbs) matching the race’s demands and duration, simulating the race as closely as possible.

4. Multi-Metric Training Assessment

To accurately assess your training zones and how you feel, combine data from heart rate, power meters, and speed, as well as your perceived effort, rather than relying on a single metric.

5. Prioritize Zone 2 Rides

Dedicate significant training time to long, steady Zone 2 rides, especially on flat terrain, to build endurance and aerobic capacity.

6. Train Gut for Carbs

To consume high amounts of carbohydrates (e.g., 120g/hour) without stomach problems, gradually train your gut and use nutrition products with a good ratio of glucose, fructose, and other quality ingredients.

7. Implement Core Training

To enhance overall strength and performance, integrate core training exercises into your routine, supplementing on-bike training with off-bike strength work.

8. Practice Heat Training

If you struggle with performance in super hot conditions, incorporate heat training sessions, such as overheating the body on a home trainer, to adapt and improve your ability to perform in the heat.

9. Process Defeat with Support

When facing defeat or disappointment, acknowledge your feelings but accept what cannot be changed, and seek support from your team or close ones, as their emotional and physical help can aid in processing the setback.

10. Adjust Carb Intake by Intensity

During cycling races, aim for approximately 120 grams of carbohydrates per hour for hard stages and 60 to 90 grams per hour for easier stages to maintain energy levels.

11. Adjust Zone 2 for Fatigue

Be aware that your effective Zone 2 power output can decrease over very long rides; for sustained efforts (e.g., five hours on flat), consider dropping your power to avoid excessive fatigue for the next day’s training.

12. Reduce Race Pressure

To perform optimally under pressure, ensure thorough preparation (e.g., recon the parcours) and cultivate a relaxed, stress-free mindset, allowing you to ‘just roll with it’.

13. Cautious HRV Tracking

While tracking heart rate variability (HRV) can be useful, avoid checking it immediately before a race or critical training session, as a low reading can be misleading and negatively impact your mindset and performance. Review it post-event instead.

14. Seasonal Strength Training

Continue strength training for key muscle groups (legs, core, glutes, hips) throughout the season, adjusting the weight or intensity to complement your primary sport-specific training.

15. Varied Off-Season Activity

During the off-season, take short breaks from structured training (e.g., three days of nothing), but also engage in other enjoyable sports and activities to stay active and prevent boredom, before resuming specific training.

16. Recognize Nutritional Limits

Understand that during periods of extreme physical exertion and high power output, it’s impossible to consume enough food to fully replace the energy expended, even with good nutritional planning.

17. Seize Win Opportunities

Don’t overthink future wins; instead, if you feel good and enjoy the process, take every opportunity to win when it presents itself, as you never know when your last win will be.

I think still a lot of people don't believe it happened.

Tadej Pogacar

You cannot eat enough when you do so much, so much power, you do so much attacking, you cannot take more food than you can.

Tadej Pogacar

If you restrict too much and you don't touch chocolate for a month or for six months, then one time you will break and you will go crazy. And I think that's not a good relationship with food.

Tadej Pogacar

Tour de France is the biggest race of cycling. So yeah, to keep being on the top, you need to do Tour de France.

Tadej Pogacar

Yeah, I think they help.

Tadej Pogacar

The sooner we get it over, the better it is. There is no more pressure.

Tadej Pogacar

Tadej Pogacar's Off-Season Training Approach

Tadej Pogacar
  1. Take breaks of maybe three days doing nothing, followed by one day of activity, then three days of nothing again.
  2. Engage in other sports like running, paddle, or swimming during vacation periods to avoid boredom and maintain activity.
  3. Start riding the road bike again by mid-November.
  4. Continue strength training (legs, core, glutes, hips) throughout the season, but with less weight during the competitive period.
  5. Perform a home trainer test in December, typically lasting 1 hour to 1 hour 30 minutes, with 10-minute steps and lactate checks every five minutes.
  6. Incorporate running into the off-season and try to maintain it into the competitive season.

Heart Rate Variability (HRV) Tracking Method for Race Days

Tadej Pogacar
  1. Do not open or check HRV readings in the morning before a race.
  2. Check HRV readings only after the race is complete.
26 years old
Tadej Pogacar's age At the time of the podcast recording, in a week.
3
Tour de France victories In 2020, 2021, and 2024.
12
Grand Tour stage wins in 2024 Across the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France.
~170 weeks
Weeks as World #1 Cyclist And counting.
~69-70 kg
Maximum off-season weight After big dinners or parties, including water weight.
~120 grams
Carbohydrate intake per hour (hard stage) Aimed for during intense racing.
60 to 90 grams
Carbohydrate intake per hour (easier stage) Aimed for during less intense racing.
1700 to 1800
VAM (all-out for 15 minutes) On climbs with a 7-7.5% gradient.
140-145 bpm
Zone 2 Heart Rate (when fatigued) Approximate heart rate.
150-155 bpm
Zone 2 Heart Rate (when fresh) Approximate heart rate.
320-340 watts
Zone 2 Power Output (on Monaco climbs) When able to recover after climbs.
290-300 watts
Zone 2 Power Output (on flat, long rides) To sustain for 5 hours without recovery.
37 bpm
Lowest tracked resting heart rate Since he started tracking.
42-43 bpm
Average night resting heart rate Can be higher (48-49 bpm) if sick or fatigued.
213 bpm
Maximum heart rate (as a junior) Achieved in shorter races.
203 bpm
Maximum heart rate (in a recent race) Achieved in the race prior to the podcast recording.
3
Number of Monument Classics won Out of the five major one-day races.