#46 - Chris Masterjohn, Ph.D.: Navigating the many pathways to health and disease - NAD and sirtuins, methylation, MTHFR and COMT, choline deficiency and NAFLD, TMAO, creatine, and more

Mar 25, 2019 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Chris Masterjohn, PhD in nutrition science, discusses NAD supplements, choline deficiency's role in NAFLD, and the importance of methylation, including MTHFR and COMT genes. He also covers creatine's benefits and dietary strategies for methylation.

At a Glance
28 Insights
2h 51m Duration
17 Topics
9 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Chris Masterjohn's Background and Path to Research

Choline: Its Importance and Role in Fatty Liver Disease

Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD): Prevalence and Causes

TMAO: Understanding its Role and Concerns with Choline

Impact of Different Fatty Acids on Liver Health

The Challenge of Measuring Flux in Biochemical Pathways

NAD Precursors: Physiology, Supplements, and Liver's Central Role

Intravenous NAD and Extracellular NAD as a Signaling Molecule

Oral NR and NMN: Absorption, Metabolism, and Clinical Data

The MTHFR Gene and its Impact on Methylation

The Methylation Pathway and Homocysteine Regulation

The COMT Gene: Dopamine Methylation and Personality Traits

Creatine: Synthesis, Benefits, and Role in Methylation

Dietary Strategies for MTHFR and Methylation Support

Potential Harms of NAD Precursors and Methyl Group Depletion

Decision Making with Inconclusive Data and Personal Experimentation

Chris Masterjohn's Unconventional Beliefs

Methyl Group

A one-carbon unit that is essential for synthesizing and modifying molecules in the body. The process of adding a methyl group is called methylation, also known as one-carbon metabolism.

Choline

An essential nutrient that acts as a methyl donor, is a component of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and is crucial for forming phosphatidylcholine, a phospholipid in cell membranes and lipoproteins. Deficiency can lead to fatty liver disease.

Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD)

A condition where fat accumulates in the liver, not due to alcohol consumption. It is often linked to obesity and can progress to more severe inflammation (NASH) if not managed.

TMAO (Trimethylamine N-oxide)

A compound produced when gut bacteria metabolize choline or carnitine into trimethylamine, which the liver then converts to TMAO. It has been controversially linked to cardiovascular disease risk.

Flux (Biochemistry)

Refers to the movement and turnover rate of molecules within biochemical pathways, rather than just their static concentration. Understanding flux requires dynamic measurements, analogous to watching a video instead of a snapshot.

NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide)

A coenzyme vital for cellular energy production (oxidative phosphorylation) and consumed by enzymes like sirtuins and PARPs for DNA repair and cellular protection. Its levels are thought to decline with age.

MTHFR Gene

A gene that encodes the methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase enzyme, which is involved in constructing methyl groups from amino acid metabolism for the folate pathway. Common genetic variants (polymorphisms) can reduce its activity, affecting methylation efficiency.

COMT Gene

A gene that encodes catechol-O-methyltransferase, an enzyme that methylates dopamine. Genetic variations in COMT activity can influence mental flexibility versus stability, affecting traits like focus, worry, and impulsivity.

Creatine Synthesis

The process of creating creatine in the body, which is a significant consumer of methyl groups (45% of total demand). Creatine is crucial for energy buffering in cells, muscle strength, and various other physiological functions.

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What is choline and why is it important for human health?

Choline is an essential nutrient that serves as a methyl donor, a component of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and a crucial part of phosphatidylcholine, a phospholipid vital for cell membranes and for transporting fat out of the liver.

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How does choline deficiency contribute to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD)?

Without sufficient choline, the liver cannot produce enough VLDL (very-low-density lipoprotein) particles, which are necessary to export triglycerides (fat) out of the liver, leading to fat accumulation and NAFLD.

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Should one be concerned about TMAO from choline-rich foods like eggs and meat?

While choline can be metabolized to TMAO by gut bacteria, the overall story linking dietary choline from eggs and meat to heart disease via TMAO is likely oversimplified and not strongly supported by evidence, especially when considering the high TMAO content naturally found in fish.

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How do different types of fatty acids (saturated, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated) impact liver health and NAFLD progression?

Polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) may lead to less liver fat in the short term, but if steatosis is present, they significantly increase the risk of progressing to steatohepatitis (NASH) due to their vulnerability to oxidative damage.

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How do NAD precursors like Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) and Nicotinamide Mononucleotide (NMN) work in the body?

Oral NR is primarily absorbed and converted to NAD in the liver, which then releases nicotinamide into the bloodstream. Other tissues take up this nicotinamide to synthesize their own NAD, as direct NAD transport in the blood is not a primary physiological mechanism.

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Is intravenous NAD administration an effective way to increase cellular NAD levels?

Intravenous NAD is unlikely to be an effective transport mechanism for increasing intracellular NAD; extracellular NAD primarily functions as a signaling molecule, and injecting it may cause an inflammatory response rather than directly boosting cellular NAD.

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What is the MTHFR gene and why is it commonly discussed in health circles?

MTHFR is an enzyme crucial for the folate-dependent methylation pathway. Common genetic variations (polymorphisms) can reduce its activity, potentially increasing choline requirements and affecting overall methylation capacity, though its impact is often oversimplified.

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How does the COMT gene influence mental and emotional states?

The COMT enzyme methylates dopamine. Variations in COMT activity influence dopamine metabolism, with higher activity linked to mental flexibility (e.g., 'warrior' phenotype) and lower activity linked to mental stability but also a tendency for thoughts to 'get stuck' (e.g., 'worrier' phenotype).

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What is the role of creatine in methylation and overall health?

Creatine synthesis consumes a large portion (45%) of the body's methyl groups. It's a crucial energy buffer in cells, important for muscle function, and has been linked to mental health benefits, with supplementation potentially reducing the demand on the methylation cycle.

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What are the potential risks of taking high doses of NAD precursors like NR?

High doses of NAD precursors might deplete the body's methyl group supply because the liver methylates and excretes excess nicotinamide (a byproduct of NAD metabolism), potentially impacting other methylation-dependent processes like creatine synthesis.

1. Increase Choline for Fatty Liver

Consume enough choline (or precursors like methionine/protein) to clear triglycerides from the liver, as this has been shown in animal studies to prevent or resolve fatty liver disease regardless of the cause.

2. Aim for 1200mg Choline Daily

Strive for approximately 1200 milligrams of choline daily, which can be challenging to achieve through diet alone (e.g., one egg contains ~130mg), to support liver health and prevent fatty liver.

3. Prioritize Food-Based Choline

Opt for phosphatidylcholine from food sources (like eggs and liver) over choline salts in supplements, as it is better absorbed and less likely to generate TMAO in the gut.

4. Increase Choline for MTHFR

Individuals with MTHFR gene variants that reduce methylfolate activity may have a higher choline requirement (e.g., 900-1200mg daily) because they use more choline to compensate for methylation, impacting various bodily functions.

5. Supplement Creatine to Reduce Methyl Demand

Supplementing with creatine (e.g., 5 grams daily) can significantly reduce the body’s overall methyl group demand, as creatine synthesis accounts for a large portion (45%) of methyl group utilization, which can be beneficial for those with compromised methylation capacity.

6. Take Creatine Daily

If supplementing with creatine, take 5 grams daily, regardless of exercise schedule, to maintain steady body stores and support various physiological functions beyond just exercise performance.

7. Optimize Riboflavin for MTHFR

If you have MTHFR gene variants, ensure optimal riboflavin (Vitamin B2) status, as MTHFR is a riboflavin-dependent enzyme and a lower affinity for riboflavin can reduce its activity.

8. Increase Glycine Intake

If you have low methylfolate levels, consider increasing glycine intake (e.g., through bone broth, collagen, gelatin, or glycine powder) as your body may be losing glycine in the urine due to perceived methyl abundance.

9. Glycine for Sleep and Blood Sugar

To potentially improve sleep, take 3 to 6 grams of glycine powder before bed; for better blood sugar control, take 3 to 5 grams of glycine powder with a meal.

10. Use TMG for Methylation Support

If you have difficulty lowering homocysteine despite other interventions, supplementing with trimethylglycine (TMG) can be highly effective, as it supports the choline-dependent pathway for remethylating homocysteine back to methionine.

11. Consider B6 for High Homocysteine

If you have high homocysteine levels that respond to B6 supplementation, it suggests a need for more B6 to support the breakdown of homocysteine, particularly in the fed state.

12. Oral NR for NAD Increase

If aiming to increase NAD levels, oral nicotinamide riboside (NR) may be a superior precursor to nicotinamide, as NR is less prone to immediate detoxification in the liver and more effectively increases hepatic NAD.

13. Consider Methyl Donors with NR

If supplementing with high doses of nicotinamide riboside (NR), consider supplementing with a methyl donor like trimethylglycine (TMG) to counteract the potential depletion of your body’s methyl group supply due to the detoxification of excess nicotinamide.

14. Space Out Choline Intake

When consuming choline-rich foods like eggs, consider spacing out your intake throughout the day rather than eating a large quantity at one sitting, due to a potential absorption cap that could lead to TMAO generation.

15. Eat Eggs for Choline

Consume eggs as a primary source of choline, as they provide choline in a form that is less likely to generate high levels of TMAO in the blood compared to choline tartrate supplements.

16. Limit PUFAs with Fatty Liver

If you have fatty liver (steatosis), be cautious with a high intake of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs), as they increase vulnerability to progression to steatohepatitis due to more oxidative targets.

17. Avoid Oral NMN Supplements

Oral nicotinamide mononucleotide (NMN) supplements are likely not absorbed intact due to their charged phosphate group, suggesting they may be less effective than NR or other precursors for increasing NAD.

18. Avoid IV NAD Infusions

Intravenous NAD infusions are not recommended as a physiological means of increasing intracellular NAD, and may trigger an inflammatory response or amplify negative signaling.

19. Start Low with NR Supplementation

If experimenting with nicotinamide riboside (NR) supplementation, consider starting with lower doses (e.g., 75mg twice daily) than typically found in commercial products, as a cautious approach to assess individual response.

20. Gelatin for Tendon Health

To increase collagen synthesis in tendons, consider consuming 15 grams of gelatin with a little vitamin C before exercise, as the increased blood flow during activity can help deliver collagen peptides to connective tissues.

21. Optimize Methyl Donors for COMT

Understand that your COMT genotype influences your potential rate of dopamine methylation, but nutritional intake of methyl donors directly impacts actual methylation, suggesting that optimizing these nutrients can influence mental flexibility or stability.

22. Distinguish Concentration from Flux

When interpreting scientific data, especially blood tests or metabolic markers, remember that a static concentration measurement does not fully represent the dynamic ‘flux’ (movement and turnover) of a molecule, which can lead to misinterpretations.

23. Evaluate Evidence for Action

When making health decisions, consider the level of evidence required to take a specific action, but also critically evaluate the level of evidence (or lack thereof) needed to justify inaction or maintaining the status quo.

24. Study Historical Scientific Foundations

To gain a fresher perspective and uncover overlooked details in scientific understanding, delve into the historical foundations and origins of ideas, rather than solely focusing on the latest research.

25. Respect Conventional Science

Avoid dismissing conventional scientific beliefs or established guidelines outright, as understanding their core rationale is crucial, even when exploring progressive or alternative health approaches.

26. Diversify Undergraduate Studies

When planning for graduate school (e.g., medical school), consider studying a completely different subject in undergraduate to gain a fresh perspective and enthusiasm for your chosen graduate field.

27. Leverage Positive Placebo Effects

If a health intervention makes you feel great, even if it’s potentially a placebo effect, leverage that positive feeling, but also be prepared to stop if an intervention makes you feel unwell, regardless of its purported benefits.

28. Prioritize Objective Biochemical Proxies

When self-experimenting with health compounds, prioritize interventions that can be evaluated with objective biochemical proxies rather than solely relying on subjective feelings, as the latter can be influenced by the placebo effect.

If you don't have enough choline, you can't make the VLDL particle to get triglycerides out of the liver.

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The idea that mistaking a concentration for flux is one of the overwhelming interpretive problems in science and in popular science in both.

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Overwhelmingly, if you're talking about a tissue other than the liver, what's happening is that supplement gets converted into nicotinamide, reaches the other tissues as nicotinamide, and increases tissue NAD by that tissue taking the nicotinamide and making the NAD.

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The liver doesn't just have NAD that's immediately being used in respiration and is immediately being used in sirtuins and parps. It has a reserve pool of NAD that it holds onto for the specific purpose of a slow release of nicotinamide to the rest of the tissues that they will take up.

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COMT is not a gene for a mental state, right? It's a gene that has a partial influence on the stickiness of your mind.

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Creatine is the ideal thing to vary with the methyl group supply because you can eat a steak, you can do all your creatine synthesis when you were—when you had enough methyl groups. Then five hours later, you're in the fasted state, and you—you don't synthesize creatine anymore.

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Dietary Strategies for MTHFR Support

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  1. Consume 900-1200 milligrams of choline daily, preferably from food sources like eggs and liver.
  2. Supplement with 5 grams of creatine daily to reduce overall methyl group demand.
  3. Ensure adequate methylfolate intake (e.g., 400 micrograms of methylfolate and 800 micrograms of methyl B12) to support the folate pathway.
  4. Increase glycine intake (e.g., 3-6 grams daily from bone broth, collagen, or powder) to buffer methyl groups and support various physiological functions.

Mitigating Potential Negative Effects of NAD Precursors

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  1. Take a lower dose of NAD precursors (e.g., 75mg NR twice daily instead of 500-1000mg).
  2. Match NAD precursor intake milligram for milligram with a methyl donor like TMG (trimethylglycine) to support methylation capacity.
1200 milligrams per day
Choline requirement for some individuals with genetic predisposition For people with the worst MTHFR activity, based on studies looking at choline utilization markers.
Around 300 milligrams
Average choline intake Estimated average intake, significantly lower than some individual requirements.
130 milligrams
Choline content in one egg Approximate amount in a single egg.
75%
Reduction in triglyceride export from the liver in NASH patients Observed in a random sample of NASH patients using labeled tracers.
67%
Percentage of people with obesity who have fatty liver Approximate percentage, indicating a strong correlation.
76%
Percentage of people with fatty liver who have obesity Approximate percentage, indicating a strong correlation.
Around 15 milligrams
Niacin RDA (Recommended Dietary Allowance) Compared to typical NAD precursor supplement doses (500-2000mg).
40 times higher
NAD turnover in small intestine vs. muscle/fat In mice, indicating very high metabolic activity and NAD demand in the gut.
45%
Methyl demand for creatine synthesis Percentage of total methyl group demand in the body.
2 grams
Average daily creatine loss (as creatinine) Excreted in urine, requiring daily synthesis to maintain stores.
5 grams per day
Typical creatine supplementation dose Commonly taken for exercise performance and other benefits.
10 to 60 grams per day
Glycine shortfall in average person (for optimizing collagen turnover) Estimate of the gap between synthesis and optimal demand.
3 to 6 grams
Glycine dose for improved sleep Taken before bed, based on studies.
3 to 5 grams
Glycine dose for better blood sugar with a meal Taken with a meal, based on studies.
500 milligrams
Creatine synthesis reduction per 1000mg nicotinamide detoxified Theoretical calculation if all nicotinamide were detoxified, impacting daily creatine synthesis.