Rethinking Mental Health: What The Science Actually Says About Depression, The Side Effects of Antidepressants & Finding Balance with Professor Joanna Moncrieff #563

Jun 10, 2025 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Joanna Moncrieff, Professor of Critical and Social Psychiatry at UCL, challenges the chemical imbalance theory of depression, citing minimal evidence for antidepressant efficacy over placebo. She discusses the subjective nature of diagnosis, concerning side effects, and the challenges of withdrawal.

At a Glance
12 Insights
1h 55m Duration
16 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction: The Prevalence of Antidepressants

Origins and Promotion of the Chemical Imbalance Theory

Lack of Evidence for Serotonin Hypothesis

Critique of Antidepressant Efficacy and Side Effects

Subjectivity of Depression Diagnosis and Rating Scales

The Role of Placebo Effect in Antidepressant Trials

Pharmaceutical Marketing's Influence on Depression Perception

Antidepressants as Mind-Altering Drugs and Withdrawal Symptoms

Long-Term Side Effects: Emotional Numbing and Sexual Dysfunction

Understanding SSRI Mechanism and Serotonin's Role

Informed Consent and Unreported Side Effects

Strategies for Safely Withdrawing from Antidepressants

Demystifying Depression: Emotions as Signals

Alternative Approaches to Managing Low Mood

Caution Against New Simplistic Explanations for Depression

Empowering Patients and Future of Mental Healthcare

Chemical Imbalance Theory

This theory suggests that depression is caused by an underlying deficiency or imbalance of brain chemicals, particularly serotonin. It was widely promoted by the pharmaceutical industry from the 1990s to justify the use of antidepressants, despite weak and inconsistent scientific evidence.

Emotional Numbing

A common side effect of antidepressants, where individuals report a reduction in the intensity of all emotions, including happiness and sadness. This can lead to a feeling of not being themselves and can persist even after stopping the medication.

Genital Anesthesia

A specific type of sexual dysfunction caused by SSRIs, characterized by a dialed-down sensitivity of the genitals. This effect can persist after discontinuing the antidepressant, leading to long-term sexual problems.

Antidepressant Withdrawal Symptoms

Physical and emotional symptoms experienced when stopping antidepressants, similar to withdrawal from other mind-altering drugs like caffeine or opiates. These symptoms can be severe and are often misinterpreted as a relapse of depression, leading to continued medication.

Hyperbolic Relationship (Drug Dose)

Describes how the effect of a drug on the body is not linear with the dose. For antidepressants, this means that reducing very low doses has a disproportionately larger impact on the drug's activity and can lead to more severe withdrawal symptoms compared to reducing higher doses.

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Why do so many people believe depression is caused by a chemical imbalance?

The belief that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, specifically serotonin deficiency, became widespread primarily due to massive advertising campaigns by the pharmaceutical industry from the 1990s onwards, despite a lack of strong scientific evidence.

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How effective are antidepressants compared to placebo in clinical trials?

Clinical trials show a very small difference between antidepressants and placebo, typically about two points on a 54-point depression rating scale, which is often not considered clinically significant.

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What are some concerning side effects of SSRIs?

Common side effects include emotional numbing, sexual dysfunction (which can persist even after stopping the medication), lethargy, agitation, and in some cases, an increased risk of suicidal thoughts, particularly in young people.

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Is the diagnosis of depression objective?

No, the diagnosis of depression is highly subjective, based on criteria like having a low mood for at least two weeks and other symptoms, which are described as 'completely made up' by psychiatrists and not based on objective biological markers.

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Should visiting a GP be the first option for low mood?

Not necessarily; the episode suggests that depression is a natural human emotion and a meaningful response to life events, and that alternatives like exercise, mindfulness, addressing underlying life issues, or psychotherapy might be more effective than immediate medical intervention.

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Can antidepressant side effects persist after stopping the medication?

Yes, some side effects, such as emotional numbing and sexual dysfunction (including genital anesthesia), have been reported to persist for years after individuals stop taking antidepressants.

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What do SSRIs actually do if they don't correct a chemical imbalance?

SSRIs block the serotonin transporter protein, increasing serotonin's presence in the synapse, thereby disrupting normal serotonin transmission. This interference with brain chemistry leads to mind-altering effects, including the observed side effects like emotional numbing and sexual dysfunction.

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How should someone safely withdraw from antidepressants?

It is crucial not to stop antidepressants suddenly. A slow and careful reduction in dosage is recommended to minimize withdrawal symptoms, especially at very low doses, which can be more challenging to reduce due to the hyperbolic relationship between drug dose and effect.

1. View Emotions as Meaningful Signals

Encourage viewing emotional responses as meaningful signals rather than medical disorders that need chemical correction, as they are natural human experiences and reflections of values.

2. Reflect on Mood Signals

If struggling with mood, reflect on what the mood is signaling (e.g., work, relationship issues) and make changes; if unable to identify, consider psychotherapy, exercise, mindfulness, good diet, and discuss feelings with loved ones.

3. Prioritize Lifestyle Pillars

Improve mood and well-being by focusing on the four pillars of health: food, movement, sleep, and relaxation, making adjustments in these areas to regain a sense of agency.

4. Explore Non-Drug Alternatives

Explore exercise, mindfulness, and addressing underlying life issues as potentially more effective alternatives than drugs for low mood symptoms.

5. Seek Varied Mood Support

If experiencing low moods, consider seeking help from a life coach, psychologist, or other non-medical professionals, especially if your doctor primarily focuses on diagnosis and drug treatment.

6. Foster Patient Agency

Doctors should foster a sense of agency and autonomy in patients, avoiding over-labeling that suggests dependence on medication for improvement.

7. Recognize Natural Mood Improvement

Understand that depression often improves naturally over time, and there are self-help strategies that can contribute to recovery, rather than solely relying on medication.

8. Doctors Offer Non-Drug Alternatives

Doctors should guide patients towards alternative depression management strategies, such as exercise, mindfulness, problem-solving therapy, or CBT, as recommended by NICE guidelines, before prescribing antidepressants.

9. Evaluate Antidepressant Side Effects

Before taking antidepressants, carefully evaluate potential negative changes like emotional blunting, lethargy, sexual dysfunction, and increased suicidal thoughts, as these are significant considerations.

10. Shorten Antidepressant Use

If you must take antidepressants, aim to take them for the shortest possible time to minimize the risk and severity of serious adverse effects like dependence and persistent sexual dysfunction.

11. Taper Antidepressants Slowly

If considering stopping antidepressants, taper them slowly and carefully, especially if you’ve been on them for a long time, to minimize severe and protracted withdrawal symptoms.

12. Utilize Deprescribing Guidelines

If your doctor is unfamiliar with antidepressant withdrawal, refer them to resources like the Royal College of Psychiatrists’ ‘Stopping Antidepressants’ information or the detailed Maudsley Deprescribing Guidelines.

Depression is a natural human emotion and emotions are reactions to the events in our lives.

Joanna Moncrieff

The difference between the antidepressant and the placebo in these trials is very small and it doesn't, it's not large enough to actually register as a clinically significant difference.

Joanna Moncrieff

I think giving people a pill in this situation is giving them false hope.

Joanna Moncrieff

My concern is that we have fundamentally misunderstood what psychiatric drugs do and because of this we overestimated their potential benefits and underestimated the harm they can cause.

Joanna Moncrieff

We're putting frankly millions of people on drugs which may have limited evidence for their benefits and may have a huge ton of side effects.

Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

The effect of thinking that you were taking the real drug versus the placebo was much bigger than the effect of actually getting the drug if you look across all the different trials.

Joanna Moncrieff

Antidepressant Withdrawal Strategy

Joanna Moncrieff
  1. Do not stop taking the medication suddenly, especially if you have been on them for a number of years, as this can lead to worse and more protracted withdrawal symptoms.
  2. Reduce the medication slowly and carefully to minimize withdrawal symptoms.
  3. Consult resources like the Royal College of Psychiatrists' website for information on stopping antidepressants (published around 2019).
  4. For clinicians, refer to the Maudsley Deprescribing Guidelines for detailed guidance on how to get off psychiatric drugs.
  5. Be aware that reducing very low doses requires a much slower and more careful approach due to the hyperbolic relationship between drug dose and its activity in the body.
  6. If necessary, consider transferring to liquid formulations or breaking up tablets/capsules (e.g., weighing out beads from capsules for Venlafaxine) to achieve very small dose reductions.

Initial Steps for Managing Low Mood

Joanna Moncrieff
  1. Try to identify what your mood is signaling to you (e.g., relationship problems, work issues, life circumstances).
  2. Make changes in your life based on what you identify as the problem.
  3. If struggling, consider psychotherapy; services are available on the NHS (talking therapist service) via GP referral or self-referral.
  4. Engage in activities generally helpful for mood, such as taking exercise, practicing mindfulness or relaxation.
  5. Ensure you have a good diet and that your physical health is in good shape.
  6. Talk to close people and share your feelings to help identify problems.
  7. If discussing antidepressants with a doctor, ensure you are informed about the drug's nature, effects, and common/important adverse effects.
  8. If you decide to take antidepressants, aim to take them for as short a time as possible to reduce the risk of severe long-term adverse effects like dependence and persistent sexual dysfunction.
Nearly one in five (17%)
UK adults currently taking antidepressants Figures from about 2017, for population over 18.
Almost one in four (23%)
UK women currently taking antidepressants Figures from about 2017, for population over 18.
Two points
Difference in depression rating scale points between antidepressant and placebo On a common depression rating scale with a maximum score of 54 points.
Eight weeks or less
Duration of most antidepressant clinical trials Very few studies extend beyond three months, and a small handful last six to nine months.
Up to around 60% or more
Percentage of people experiencing sexual dysfunction while taking antidepressants Specifically with SSRIs.
37.5 milligrams
Lowest dose of Venlafaxine An SNRI antidepressant, which is considered a relatively high dose for tapering.