Rick Rubin On Creativity, Authenticity & Living A Meaningful Life #327

Jan 18, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Legendary record producer Rick Rubin discusses his artistic life philosophy from his book "The Creative Act," applying it to health, creativity, and living authentically. He shares his wellness journey, including diet changes, circadian rhythm alignment, and cold therapy, emphasizing self-care and embracing imperfection in art and life.

At a Glance
45 Insights
2h 36m Duration
17 Topics
5 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Rick Rubin and His Book 'The Creative Act'

Defining Art as 'Curated Output' and Its Application to Life

Similarities Between Art and Medicine

The Role of an 'Invisible Coach' in Creative Work

The Importance of External Feedback and Non-Personal Criticism

Rick Rubin's Experience Working on His Book vs. Music

The Audience Comes Last in Creative Endeavors

Authenticity in Podcasting and Creative Work

Surprises and Imperfections in the Creative Process

Challenging Assumptions and Breaking Rules in Art and Medicine

Rick Rubin's Health Transformation Journey: Diet and Circadian Rhythms

The Role of Deadlines in Creative Work

Embracing Imperfection in Art and Music

Rick Rubin's Experience with Depression and Its Impact

Benefits of Sauna and Cold Plunge Therapy

Advice for Aspiring Songwriters and Artists

Final Thoughts on Personal Power and Self-Care

Art as Curated Output

Rick Rubin defines art as whatever our 'curated output' in life is. This means living artfully by being engaged, paying attention, and making each choice count, rather than passively moving through life.

Invisible Coach

This is a role, often adopted by Rick Rubin as a producer, where one helps an artist (or a patient in medicine) to be their authentic self. It involves deep listening and reflecting observations to help the individual gain perspective on their work when they are too close to it.

Audience Comes Last

In creative endeavors, the audience should be the last consideration. The goal is to create the best possible art for oneself, as trying to make it for others often dilutes the authenticity and quality of the work.

Snapshot in Time (Art)

A piece of art, whether a book or an album, is only ever a snapshot of the creator's thoughts and abilities at the moment it is finished and released. This perspective helps creators embrace completion, acknowledging that ideas continue to evolve and perfection is an ongoing, unattainable state.

Truth Box

A concept, often experienced in a sauna, where the discomfort and intense focus on the physical sensation lead to more authentic, unfiltered conversations. The heat helps to lower inhibitions, allowing for more genuine and real interactions.

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How does Rick Rubin define art?

Rick Rubin defines art as our 'curated output' in life, emphasizing that we can live artfully by being engaged and making each choice count, rather than passively going through the day.

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What is the role of an 'invisible coach' in creative work?

An invisible coach helps artists uncover their true selves and intentions, often by listening and reflecting observations, similar to how a doctor might listen to a patient, allowing the artist to gain perspective on their work when they are too close to it.

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Should creators consider their audience when making art?

Rick Rubin believes the audience should come last in the creative process because focusing on audience expectations can dilute the authenticity and quality of the art. The best art is made when the creator focuses on making the best thing they can for themselves.

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How does Rick Rubin approach feedback and criticism?

He is open to hearing feedback, viewing it as a way to make the work better. He emphasizes making criticism external and specific to the work itself, rather than personal, to foster a collaborative environment.

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How did Rick Rubin's health transformation impact his life?

After years of being overweight and sedentary, changing his diet, aligning with circadian rhythms, and incorporating exercise led to radical improvements in his health, vitality, and mood, and eventually significant weight loss.

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Is it okay for an artist to want commercial success?

Rick Rubin states there's nothing wrong with wanting or having success, but the key distinction is that success should not be the primary focus during the *making* of the art, as changing art for commercial reasons undermines its quality.

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How does Rick Rubin view rules in creative work and life?

He believes rules are often there to establish average behavior and are meant to be tested or broken, especially in art, to create something special and go beyond accepted norms.

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What is the relationship between creativity and energy?

Rick Rubin believes that creativity itself is eternal and limitless, but energy can run out. The more one engages in different creative practices, the better they all get, as long as energy levels allow.

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What are Rick Rubin's key practices for health and wellbeing?

His most important practices include eating animal protein, sleeping on a cold bed, sauna and cold plunges, regular physical practice, and meditation.

1. Take Control, Prioritize Self-Care for Universal Benefit

Recognize that you are in control of your own life and have the power to make different choices. Courageously change aspects of your life (career, relationships, location) that do not bring you joy, understanding that prioritizing your own well-being is ultimately beneficial for everyone around you, much like putting on your own oxygen mask first.

2. Live Authentically, Align with Values

Live an authentic life that is deeply aligned with your personal values. Inauthenticity creates a void and a ‘fracture’ in your core self, which people often try to fill with unhealthy coping mechanisms like sugar, alcohol, or other distractions.

3. Focus on ‘Being’ for Creativity

Prioritize your ‘being’ – who you are and how you live – as the fundamental foundation for all creative output. The ‘making’ of art or creative work will then naturally emerge as a ‘reverberation’ of your authentic state of being, rather than being the primary focus.

4. Create Authentically, Ignore Outcome

When engaging in any creative act, prioritize making the best possible thing from your heart, without primarily focusing on external outcomes, audience reception, or commercial success. Trying to create for an outcome or for others can ‘water down’ the art and ‘fracture the core of who you are’.

5. Live an Artful, Engaged Life

Define ‘art’ as your curated output in life and strive to live in an ‘artful way’ by being fully engaged, paying attention, and making each choice count. Avoid ‘sleepwalking’ through your days by repeating yesterday’s patterns without conscious thought.

6. Embrace Humility in Knowledge

Approach all knowledge with humility and an open mind, recognizing that much of what we ‘know’ are reflections and thoughts, not absolute, unchangeable facts. Be open to being surprised and learning new perspectives, even in established fields like medicine.

7. Question Accepted ‘Truths’

Be skeptical of rigid ’truths’ and established norms, as much of what is accepted as fact can be wrong, obsolete, or limiting. Challenge assumptions and be willing to go beyond conventional boundaries to discover new possibilities.

8. Prioritize Learning Over Being Right

Cultivate a mindset where learning and understanding are prioritized over being ‘right.’ Embrace opportunities to learn when proven wrong, fostering curiosity rather than competition or ego.

9. Dispel Hero Worship

Let go of the flawed idea of ‘hero worship’ by recognizing that even high-profile or successful individuals are complex humans with insecurities and struggles, just like everyone else. This helps in personal growth and avoids unhealthy comparisons.

10. Practice Deep Listening

Engage in deep listening during conversations, as people often reveal their true needs, wants, and identity even when they claim not to know themselves. Listen for what ’lights up’ for you, as they may be telling you exactly what’s going on without realizing it.

11. Externalize Feedback, Depersonalize Critique

When giving critical feedback, externalize the critique by focusing on the ’thing’ (e.g., ’these lyrics’ or ’this model’) rather than making it a personal affront to the ‘person.’ This approach makes feedback more specific, external, and productive for collaboration.

12. Reframe ‘Can’t’ to ‘Haven’t Yet’

Replace the phrase ‘I can’t do that’ with ‘I haven’t done it yet.’ This simple linguistic shift helps maintain an open mindset about your capabilities and potential, encouraging practice and discovery.

13. Share What’s In Your Heart

Recognize that insecurity is only a hindrance if it prevents you from authentically expressing and sharing what truly matters to you and what is ‘in your heart.’ Overcome this barrier to allow your true self to emerge.

14. Creativity is Limitless

Understand that creativity is an eternal and limitless resource, not something that can be ‘used up.’ While you may experience energy depletion, engaging in diverse creative practices actually enhances all of them, rather than diminishing any single one.

15. Develop Authentic Voice Through Practice

To find your authentic voice in a new creative domain (e.g., songwriting or writing), commit to consistent practice and production, treating it as a ‘hobby.’ Trust that your unique voice will naturally evolve and emerge through dedicated work over time.

16. Experiment to Break Creative Patterns

Actively experiment with different tools, methods, and starting points to break old creative patterns and discover new approaches. Try new instruments, different chord progressions, or writing to pre-made beats to ‘shake things up’ and surprise yourself.

17. Challenge Established Methods

Beware of assuming that your current way of working is the best simply because it’s familiar. Be open to trying completely different approaches, using new ‘palettes,’ or collaborating with different people to avoid limiting beliefs and foster new creative possibilities.

18. Generate Abundant Creative Material

In creative projects, generate an abundance of material (e.g., writing many more songs than needed for an album). This increases the likelihood of selecting the highest quality output, as the ‘best’ pieces may not be the first ones created.

19. Benchmark Against Core Idea

When developing a creative project, regularly refer back to the initial inspiring ‘fragment’ or core idea. Compare current progress to this original essence to ensure the work maintains or surpasses its initial quality and purpose.

20. Avoid Overworking Creative Projects

Recognize that working on something longer does not automatically make it better; sometimes, you can ‘go past it’ and diminish the quality. Know when to stop and embrace completion to avoid overworking and messing up the art.

21. Embrace Art as a Snapshot

Embrace the reality that any creative work is a ‘snapshot in time,’ accepting it as the best you could make it at that moment. This perspective helps in letting go of unattainable perfection and allows for completion.

22. Set Deadlines for Finishing

While early creative phases benefit from open-ended exploration, set deadlines for the final ‘finishing’ and editing stages of a project. This structured approach can be a ‘good thing’ to aid completion and prevent endless tinkering.

23. Separate Art Creation and Marketing

Distinctly separate the creative process of making art from the commercial process of marketing and selling it. Complete the art first, ensuring its integrity, and only then engage in the ‘whole new, really creative adventure’ of how to share it with the world.

24. Prioritize Personal Curiosity

In creative endeavors like podcasting, prioritize your own genuine curiosity and passion when selecting topics or guests. Authenticity stemming from personal interest resonates more deeply with the audience than trying to meet perceived expectations.

25. Revisit Early ‘Rough’ Work

When a creative project seems to be struggling, revisit early, seemingly ‘rough’ or imperfect work with a fresh perspective. Sometimes, underlying quality is obscured by minor imperfections that can be repaired, leading to unexpected success.

26. Remove Distractions for Clarity

Simplify your creative work and remove distractions to allow its core essence to emerge and fall into place. Sometimes, the solution to a problem is to take things away rather than add more.

27. Value Individual Interpretation in Collaboration

In collaborative creative work, value the unique ‘feel’ and individual interpretation each member brings, rather than striving for precise, metronomic perfection. These subtle differences and ‘imperfections’ create a richer, more authentic, and compelling whole.

28. Embrace Imperfection for Authenticity

Embrace imperfection in creative and communicative endeavors, as authenticity and human connection often thrive in less polished, more natural environments. Stumbles or minor disruptions can contribute to a more ‘real’ and relatable experience.

29. Empower Patients as Health Coaches

As a healthcare professional, adopt the role of an ‘invisible coach,’ reflecting back to patients their inherent autonomy, control, and influence over their own health. Guide them to realize their own power rather than dictating solutions.

30. Embrace Diverse Solutions

Recognize that there is no single ‘right way’ to approach complex problems, especially in health. Be open to diverse and individualized solutions, understanding that what works for one person or situation may not work for another, and even the same person may benefit from different approaches.

31. Personal Struggle Builds Empathy

Understand that personal struggles, such as depression, can lead to increased grounding, a deeper connection to reality, and enhanced empathy for others’ difficulties. These experiences can transform a ‘superhuman’ feeling into a more rooted and compassionate perspective.

32. Core Health & Wellness Practices

Prioritize key health practices for overall well-being: consuming animal protein, sleeping on a cold bed, engaging in sauna and cold plunge therapy, regular physical activity, and meditation.

33. Diet First, Then Exercise

Prioritize diet as the foundational element for health, noting that exercise alone has limited impact. However, combining a good diet with exercise yields disproportionately greater benefits, acting as a multiplier for overall health.

34. Optimize Diet with Animal Protein

Consider incorporating animal protein (like fish and eggs) into your diet and reducing processed vegan foods, soy, and nuts, as these changes can significantly improve health and vitality, even if not immediately leading to weight loss.

35. Consider Calorie Counting for Weight Loss

If struggling with weight loss despite healthy eating, consider a calorie-restricted diet and calorie counting. While not always necessary for maintenance, it may be a helpful tool to understand calorie density and reach a specific target weight.

36. Reset Circadian Rhythm with Sunlight

Immediately expose yourself to natural sunlight upon waking, preferably outdoors and with as much skin exposed as possible. This practice naturally resets your circadian rhythm, leading to earlier and more consistent waking times.

37. Align with Evolutionary Biology

Strive to align your lifestyle with ’evolutionary truths’ and the way humans lived historically (e.g., thousands of years ago). Consider what your body’s DNA prefers, as modern living often neglects these natural preferences.

38. Low Aerobic Heart Rate Training

Engage in low aerobic exercise by monitoring your heart rate to stay within a specific target zone (e.g., using the ‘180 minus your age’ formula). Aim to keep your heart rate as close to this target as possible for the duration of your activity.

39. Sleep on a Cold Bed

Experiment with sleeping on a cold bed (e.g., using a sleep aid like a ChiliPad or Uller) to achieve deeper, more restorative sleep. This can significantly improve sleep quality and overall well-being.

40. Embrace Sauna and Cold Therapy

Incorporate regular sauna and cold water therapy (like ice baths or ocean plunges) into your routine. This practice can lead to profound mood elevation, reduce anxiety, and build mental resilience.

41. Sauna and Cold Plunge for Mood

Regularly engage in sauna and cold plunge sessions, as they can induce a euphoric effect, lead to the ‘best mood you’ve ever been in,’ and alleviate life’s concerns by forcing focus on the present discomfort.

42. Breath Hold for Mental Control

Practice breath hold meditation to learn how to quiet your mind and achieve stillness, even when your body signals primal discomfort. This builds mental control and empowerment, translating to greater composure in daily challenges.

43. Practice Metta Meditation Incrementally

Engage in Metta (loving-kindness) meditation by first directing well wishes towards yourself (‘May I be filled with loving kindness, May I be well, May I be peaceful and at ease, May I be happy’). After building a strong inner ‘charge,’ gradually extend these wishes to immediate family, then wider circles, and eventually the entire planet.

44. Trust Expert Advice, Experiment Boldly

Sometimes, to achieve a breakthrough, be willing to experiment by trusting an expert’s advice that seems ’extreme’ or counter-intuitive to your own beliefs. Temporarily ‘giving up what you thought was best’ can lead to unexpected positive outcomes.

45. Focus on Impact, Not Praise

When receiving praise for your work, focus on the positive impact it has on others and whether it achieved its intended purpose, rather than letting ego take over. This helps in managing external validation and staying true to your original intent.

Nothing in this book is known to be true. It's a reflection on what I've noticed, not facts so much as thoughts.

Rick Rubin

Insecurity is only a hindrance when it stops you sharing what's in your heart.

Rick Rubin

The thing that the audience wants is the best thing they can get. If we're trying to make it for them, it won't be the best thing it can get. It'll water it down.

Rick Rubin

Beware of the assumption that the way you work is the best way simply because it's the way you've done it before.

Rick Rubin

Longer does not make it better.

Rick Rubin

If you want to save the world, save yourself and then save your immediate family and then save your, you know, your, um, your town. Start with small circles and build out.

Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin's Circadian Rhythm Alignment Protocol

Rick Rubin
  1. Open blinds and go outside immediately upon waking up.
  2. Expose as much of the body to the sun as possible.
  3. Continue this practice daily to naturally shift wake-up times earlier.

Rick Rubin's Weight Loss Diet (with nutritionist)

Rick Rubin (as prescribed by his nutritionist)
  1. Consume seven egg shakes per day.
  2. Have fish soup and salad for dinner.
  3. Maintain a radically reduced calorie intake (e.g., 1300-1400 calories per day).

Rick Rubin's Songwriting/Recording Practice for Aspiring Artists

Rick Rubin
  1. Write and record as much as possible, treating it as a hobby without obligation to share.
  2. Experiment with different instruments (e.g., piano), techniques (e.g., capo), or starting points (e.g., writing to a beat).
  3. Continuously learn from both successful and failed experiments to discover what works and what is most enjoyable.
318 pounds
Rick Rubin's peak body weight Before his health transformation, approximately 144 kg.
14 months
Duration of significant weight loss The period during which Rick Rubin lost 135 pounds with a nutritionist.
135 pounds
Total weight lost by Rick Rubin More than a third of his body weight, approximately 61 kg.
1300-1400 calories
Daily calorie intake during weight loss Rick Rubin's daily calorie target during his successful weight loss phase.
All turning 80 next year
Age of Neil Young's band members (Crazy Horse) Highlighting their long career and experience.
Maybe half
Estimated accuracy of medical school textbook information A brain surgeon friend's estimate of how much information taught today is accurate and up to date, with the rest being wrong or obsolete.
33
Rick Rubin's age when depression first hit The age at which Rick Rubin first experienced a severe bout of depression.
90% diet, 10% exercise
Rick Rubin's personal estimate of diet vs. exercise importance for health He notes that exercise, while 10%, multiplies the benefits of diet, adding a '50% bonus'.