Bringing Extinct Species Back to Life | Dr. Beth Shapiro

Oct 5, 2026 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Beth Shapiro, an evolutionary biologist and Chief Science Officer at Colossal Biosciences, discusses de-extinction efforts for species like woolly mammoths and dodo birds. She explains how ancient DNA and synthetic biology tools are used for both de-extinction and broader wildlife conservation, including the ethical implications and future potential of these technologies.

At a Glance
7 Insights
2h 15m Duration
16 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Defining a Species and Taxonomy

Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Human Interbreeding

Neanderthal Genes and Human Traits

De-Extinction: Species Selection and Technical Challenges

Ecological Role of De-Extinct Species: Woolly Mammoths

Bird De-Extinction and Reproductive Challenges

Dire Wolf De-Extinction and Intentional Genetic Edits

De-Extinction, Conservation, and Ecosystem Resilience

Synthetic Biology for Preventing Extinction: Northern Quoll

Modeling Ecological Impact and Gene Drives

Advisory Panels and Public Education in Synthetic Biology

Genetic Selection in Humans and Ethical Considerations

Black-Footed Ferrets and Genetic Rescue

Artificial Wombs and Future Medical Applications

Science Pioneers and Colossal's Public Education

Dr. Beth Shapiro's Science Origin Story

Species Concept

A human-defined framework for classifying organisms, not an inherent biological truth. Different concepts exist, such as biological (ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring), genetic (sequence similarity), and geographic (location-based classification), each serving different purposes like conservation or scientific study.

Admixture Event

The mixing of genetic material between two previously distinct populations or species, such as the interbreeding between anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals as they dispersed out of Africa into Europe.

Gene Drive

A genetic engineering technology that biases inheritance, causing a particular genetic trait to spread rapidly through a population over generations. It's considered for controlling pest populations or restoring ecosystems, with careful consideration of safety measures.

Genetic Rescue

The process of introducing new genetic diversity into a small, inbred population to improve its health and viability. This can involve techniques like cloning from older, unrelated tissue samples or translocating individuals from other populations.

Epigenetic Reprogramming

The process by which the proteins within an egg cell can reset the genetic programming of a somatic (body) cell, allowing it to de-differentiate and begin dividing to form an embryo, as seen in cloning without Yamanaka factors.

Digital Twin Ecosystems

A conceptual framework involving the creation of highly detailed computational models of ecosystems. These digital twins can be perturbed in various ways to predict the outcomes of interventions like species reintroduction or genetic modification, aiding in risk assessment and planning.

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How is a species defined?

A species is a human concept, not a biological absolute. Definitions vary, including the biological species concept (ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring), genetic species concept (threshold of sequence similarity), and geographic species concept (living in a specific location).

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Did humans and Neanderthals interbreed?

Yes, anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals interbred after humans migrated out of Africa. Most people today have between 2% and 5% of their DNA derived from Neanderthals, indicating successful hybridization.

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Why can't dinosaurs be de-extincted?

Dinosaurs cannot be de-extincted because their DNA is too old and degraded. The oldest recoverable DNA is around 1-2 million years old, while dinosaurs went extinct over 66 million years ago, meaning no viable DNA fragments remain.

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How are species selected for de-extinction?

Species selection considers technical feasibility (availability of DNA), ethical implications, ecological role (whether a niche is available and if reintroduction would stabilize an ecosystem), and social impact (generating public excitement and investment in conservation technology).

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What is the ecological benefit of de-extinction, like with woolly mammoths?

De-extinction aims to restore key ecological interactions to make ecosystems more robust. For woolly mammoths, their reintroduction could help restore Arctic grasslands by their grazing and snow-clearing behaviors, which prevent permafrost melt and promote plant diversity.

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How can synthetic biology help prevent species extinction?

Synthetic biology can modify the genomes of living species to help them survive. An example is engineering northern quolls to be resistant to the toxic cane toad, allowing them to thrive in an altered habitat.

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What are the ethical considerations of human genetic selection?

While humans naturally select mates based on traits, direct genetic selection through technology (like embryo screening) raises ethical concerns about eugenics, accessibility, and the potential impact on future generations' freedom of choice and societal roles.

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How are black-footed ferrets being saved from extinction?

Black-footed ferrets are being saved through a combination of captive breeding, cloning from decades-old tissue samples to reintroduce lost genetic diversity, and potential future genetic engineering to make them resistant to plague, their primary killer in the wild.

1. Understand Species Concepts

Recognize that ‘species’ is a human concept, and different definitions (biological, genetic, geographic) serve different purposes. This helps in understanding discussions around de-extinction and genetic modification.

2. Consider Genetic Selection in Mating

Be aware that humans engage in genetic selection through mate choice, influencing traits like height over generations. This highlights a natural form of genetic influence that predates modern technology.

3. Assess Ecosystem Resilience

Evaluate ecosystems in terms of their robustness and resilience, understanding that biodiversity and redundancy in ecological roles (like top predators) can help weather environmental stressors.

4. Engage in Synthetic Biology Discussions

Participate in conversations about synthetic biology and de-extinction, as these technologies are developing rapidly and will impact future ecosystems and human medicine. Public education and dialogue are crucial for responsible progress.

5. Recognize the Cost of Inaction

Understand that choosing to do nothing in the face of ecological challenges is also a decision with consequences, often leading to a less biodiverse future. Proactive intervention with new technologies can be a valid ethical choice.

6. Prioritize Animal Welfare in Genetic Engineering

When engineering traits in animals, prioritize animal welfare and safety. For example, choose genetic edits known to be safe in living relatives to avoid unintended negative health consequences for the engineered animal.

7. Involve Local Advisory Panels

For de-extinction or species translocation projects, establish advisory panels with local stakeholders, politicians, scientists, and conservationists. This ensures decisions are made collaboratively and consider diverse impacts.

Biology doesn't care what species you are. Species is a human concept. We have this incredible proclivity to want to put things into boxes so that we can talk about them.

Dr. Beth Shapiro

If we were to go around the world today and pick out all of the pieces of Neanderthal DNA that exist in humans today, we would put together more than 90 percent, possibly more than 95 percent of the Neanderthal genome just from people who are alive today.

Dr. Beth Shapiro

If you have brown bear ancestry, you don't have perfectly white fur, and you cannot successfully hunt seals. So it is just adaptation that means that that admixture doesn't work.

Dr. Beth Shapiro

Doing nothing is not not deciding. Doing nothing is saying we accept the fact that we are going to have a future that is less biodiverse than the present.

Dr. Beth Shapiro

The most morally reprehensible thing that we could imagine doing becomes the actual only ethical solution.

Dr. Beth Shapiro

The world today is a human world. And the species that live today and thrive today are those that have figured out how best to do that in the niches that we have created for it. And we need to just deal with that. Get better at it. Use the tools at our disposal.

Dr. Beth Shapiro
2-5%
Neanderthal DNA in most people Percentage of DNA in most non-African humans derived from Neanderthal admixture.
>90-95%
Neanderthal genome recoverable from living humans The total proportion of the Neanderthal genome that can be pieced together from different segments found across the DNA of living humans.
300,000-500,000 years ago
Divergence time of humans and Neanderthals Estimated time when the lineages of Homo sapiens and Neanderthals separated.
500,000 years ago
Divergence time of brown bears and polar bears Estimated time when the lineages of brown bears and polar bears separated, yet they can still interbreed.
1-2 million years ago
Oldest recovered DNA From a mammoth bone, indicating the limit of DNA preservation in ideal conditions.
66 million years ago
Dinosaur extinction The time when dinosaurs went extinct, making DNA recovery impossible.
99%
Mammoth and Asian elephant genome similarity Approximate genetic similarity between woolly mammoths and Asian elephants.
22 months
Elephant gestation period The long gestation period for elephants, a challenge for de-extinction efforts relying on elephant surrogates.
20
Dire wolf edits Number of specific genetic edits made to a gray wolf genome to recreate the dire wolf.
120 pounds
Dire wolf weight Approximate weight of the engineered dire wolves at some point, indicating their large size.
500
Black-footed ferrets released annually Number of black-footed ferrets released into the wild each year from captive breeding programs.