How Different Diets Impact Your Health | Dr. Christopher Gardner

Episode 228 May 12, 2025 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Christopher Gardner, professor of medicine and director of nutrition studies at Stanford, discusses dietary controversies, comparing various diets. He emphasizes eliminating processed foods, the importance of fiber and low-sugar fermented foods for gut health, and protein needs.

At a Glance
18 Insights
2h 51m Duration
14 Topics
9 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Individual Dietary Needs and Resilience to Various Diets

Lactose Intolerance and Raw Milk Research

Wheat and Gluten Intolerance in the US Diet

Understanding Processed Foods, Additives, and Regulations

Food Industry Funding and Investigator Bias in Nutrition Research

Comparing Low-Carb, Low-Fat, Keto, and Mediterranean Diets

The Concept of a Whole Food, Plant-Based Diet

Transforming the American Diet: Taste, Health, and Environment

Scalability and Challenges in Food Production Systems

Revisiting Protein Requirements and Storage

Plant Proteins: Completeness and Bioavailability

Evolution of Plant-Based Meat Alternatives

Vegan vs. Omnivore Twin Study Results and Communication Challenges

Microbiome, Inflammation, Fiber, and Fermented Foods

Lactose Intolerance

A condition where individuals stop producing the enzyme lactase after weaning, making them unable to break down lactose in dairy products. The majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant, with Northern Europeans being a notable exception who developed the ability to continue producing lactase into adulthood.

NOVA Classification

A system developed by Carlos Montero from Brazil to categorize foods based on their degree of processing, independent of their nutritional content. It highlights the potential impact of cosmetic additives (dyes, flavorants, gelling agents) on health, suggesting they have an additive effect beyond traditional nutritional concerns.

GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe)

A designation by the FDA for food ingredients that are considered safe by qualified experts, allowing them to be added to foods without pre-market approval. This list has expanded significantly over decades, enabling the food industry to incorporate numerous ingredients without extensive human safety testing.

Equipoise in Research

A principle in scientific study design where researchers aim to create fair comparisons between different interventions. In nutrition studies, this means designing competing diets (e.g., low-carb vs. low-fat) to be of the highest possible quality and healthfulness, rather than making one intentionally 'crappy' to ensure a desired outcome.

Whole Food, Plant-Based Diet

A dietary approach that emphasizes consuming mostly plants, which can include varying amounts of animal products (e.g., 10-30%). This term is distinct from 'vegan' and 'vegetarian' and focuses on a diet rich in unprocessed plant foods, aligning with Michael Pollan's 'eat food, not too much, mostly plants' philosophy.

Protein Flip

A concept introduced by the Culinary Institute of America that reorients meal composition. Instead of a large piece of meat as the central focus, the 'protein flip' places vegetables, grains, and beans at the center of the plate, with meat serving as a smaller side dish or condiment, emphasizing taste and culinary appeal.

Nitrogen Balance Studies

A historical method used to determine protein requirements by measuring the amount of nitrogen (a key component of protein) consumed in food versus the amount excreted from the body. Participants were kept in controlled environments for months, with protein intake adjusted until intake matched output, establishing a baseline requirement.

Telomere Caps

Protective caps at the ends of chromosomes that naturally shorten with age. Longer telomere caps are generally associated with biological youth and better health outcomes, and some studies suggest dietary interventions can influence their length.

Epigenetic Clocks

Biological markers that estimate an individual's biological age based on patterns of DNA methylation, which are changes in gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence. These clocks can indicate whether someone's biological age is older or younger than their chronological age.

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Is there one 'best' diet for all human beings?

No, there isn't one best diet. Humans are incredibly resilient and can thrive on vastly different diets, as evidenced by various indigenous populations. The common factor in unhealthy diets globally is the prevalence of processed, packaged foods.

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Does raw milk cure lactose intolerance?

A study conducted by Dr. Gardner found that raw milk did not alleviate symptoms of lactose intolerance, with participants experiencing the same GI distress as with conventional pasteurized milk.

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Why do so many Americans report wheat or gluten intolerance?

While not all cases are clinically diagnosed celiac disease, the high prevalence of wheat intolerance in the U.S. may be due to Americans consuming an immense amount of refined wheat, which often comes from a very limited variety of wheat strains, unlike the more diverse grain consumption in other parts of the world.

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How does food industry funding influence nutrition research outcomes?

While industry funding can introduce subtle influences, researchers can mitigate bias by registering trials, pre-defining primary outcomes, allowing third-party data analysis, and making data publicly available. A larger concern can be investigator bias, where studies are designed to favor a particular diet by making it 'kick-ass' while a comparison diet is made 'crappy'.

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What were the key findings of the DIETFITS study comparing low-carb and low-fat diets?

The DIETFITS study, involving 600 people over a year, found no average difference in weight loss between healthy low-carb and healthy low-fat diets. Neither genetic predisposition nor insulin resistance predicted individual success on either diet, suggesting that both approaches can be effective if implemented healthfully.

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Are plant proteins 'incomplete' or missing essential amino acids?

No, this is a myth. All plants contain all 20 amino acids, including the nine essential ones. While the proportions of certain amino acids (like lysine in grains or methionine in beans) might be lower than in animal proteins, consuming a variety of plant foods easily provides all necessary amino acids.

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Is 'Beyond Meat' or 'Impossible Meat' a healthier alternative to red meat?

In a study comparing Beyond Meat to high-quality red meat, Beyond Meat showed cardiometabolic benefits, including lower LDL cholesterol, TMAO, and weight. While initially criticized for a long ingredient list and high sodium, these products have been reformulated, and the sodium content often becomes comparable to salted red meat when consumed.

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What were the scientific findings of the identical twin study comparing vegan and omnivorous diets?

The 8-week study found that the vegan twins experienced lower LDL cholesterol, lower fasting insulin, increased microbial diversity, and statistically significant improvements in epigenetic clocks (suggesting biological youth) and telomere length compared to their omnivorous twins.

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What are the benefits of consuming fermented foods for gut health and inflammation?

A study showed that consuming six servings of low-sugar fermented foods daily for six weeks significantly increased microbial diversity in the gut and decreased 20 different inflammatory markers. This benefit was observed regardless of baseline microbial diversity.

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How does fiber intake affect the gut microbiome and inflammation?

In a study, increased fiber intake did not, on average, increase microbial diversity or decrease inflammatory markers. Individuals with low baseline microbial diversity sometimes had an adverse, inflammatory reaction to a sudden increase in fiber, suggesting that fiber benefits might be more nuanced and personalized.

1. Consume Fermented Foods Daily

Incorporate fermented foods like plain yogurt, kefir, kombucha, kimchi, and sauerkraut into your daily diet to significantly increase gut microbial diversity and reduce inflammatory markers in your body.

2. Fiber Intake: Assess Gut Diversity First

If your baseline gut microbial diversity is low, prioritize increasing fermented food intake before drastically increasing fiber, as a ‘fire hose of fiber’ might lead to adverse inflammatory responses.

3. Aim For Three Fermented Food Servings

Strive to consume at least three servings of low-sugar fermented foods daily, as study participants maintained this intake and experienced sustained benefits even after the formal study period.

4. Adopt The “Protein Flip” Meal Structure

Implement the ‘protein flip’ by making vegetables, grains, and beans the main focus of your plate, with meat serving as a smaller accompaniment (e.g., two ounces) rather than the central component.

5. Eat Less, Better Quality Meat

Aim for ’less meat, better meat’ by reducing overall consumption and choosing high-quality, sustainably sourced options, which can offer health benefits and potentially balance your food budget.

6. Avoid Standard American Diet

Avoid the standard American diet, which is problematic because it’s full of processed, packaged food that is convenient, inexpensive, and addictively tasty but unhealthy.

7. Prioritize Whole Foods, Shun Packaged

Recognize that different people thrive on different diets, but universally avoid packaged processed food for better health outcomes.

8. Avoid Foods With Cosmetic Additives

Minimize consumption of foods containing cosmetic additives (dyes, flavorants, gelling agents), as these ingredients are primarily used to enhance appeal rather than provide nutritional value, signaling ultra-processed food.

9. Re-engage With Food Preparation

Actively engage in preparing your own food and advocate for systems that make the acquisition and preparation of high-quality, nutritious food more accessible and affordable for everyone.

10. Embrace Dietary Resilience & Experimentation

Experiment with different diets to find what works for you, as humans are incredibly resilient and can thrive on various dietary approaches.

11. Healthy Low-Carb Or Low-Fat Both Work

Choose either a healthy low-carb or a healthy low-fat diet for weight loss, as both approaches can be equally effective when implemented with high-quality, whole foods.

12. Plant Proteins Are Complete

Dismiss the myth that plant foods are ‘incomplete’ or ‘missing’ amino acids; all plants contain all 20 amino acids, and strict complementing of beans and grains is generally unnecessary if overall protein intake is sufficient.

13. Redefine Protein Quality Holistically

When assessing protein quality, broaden your perspective beyond just amino acid composition and digestibility to include environmental impact and the presence or absence of other beneficial nutrients.

14. Diversify Grains, Reduce Refined Wheat

Consider reducing the intake of refined wheat, particularly the predominant type found in the U.S. diet, and explore heritage versions of different wheat grains and other diverse grain sources.

15. Evaluate Diets Fairly (Equipoise)

When comparing different diets, ensure each is implemented in its healthiest, most optimal form (e.g., healthy low-carb vs. healthy low-fat) to get a fair assessment of their true effects.

16. Excess Protein Not Stored

Understand that your body does not store excess protein for future use; any protein consumed beyond immediate needs is converted to other forms or eliminated.

17. Raw Milk Doesn’t Cure Lactose Intolerance

Do not rely on raw milk to cure lactose intolerance, as a study showed it provided no relief from symptoms compared to conventional milk.

18. Aspire To Healthful, Sustainable, Tasty Diet

Consciously choose foods that are healthful, environmentally sound, and tasty, aiming for a balanced approach that satisfies all three criteria.

If you really look around the world, it is amazing how much variety there is in a diet that people can thrive on, except the one that doesn't work is the American diet, the standard American diet, because it's full of processed, packaged food.

Michael Pollan (quoted by Dr. Christopher Gardner)

No other mammal on the planet drinks the breast milk of another mammal to thrive later in life. So humans are the only ones who do it. It's really mostly cow milk. And it's kind of frigging bizarre, but it works for a lot of people.

Dr. Christopher Gardner

If you were to do one of these bomb calorimeter things that blew up and burned your whole body, minerals would be left. You can't get rid of minerals. And nitrogen is in that list. And so you can actually do a nitrogen analysis of food that you're eating and it will tell you how much protein is in the food.

Dr. Christopher Gardner

Bullshit. So I don't know if you can look at my paper in your podcast or show it. And I have it on my computer. We can provide links on the show note captions. So we wrote a paper in 2019. And this actually was pretty fun for me. It came from working with the chefs. The chefs were working on that protein flip idea that I mentioned earlier. And they were a little worried. They said, what is the thing about the plants missing the amino acids or being incomplete?

Dr. Christopher Gardner

I just love nutrition. It's really complicated, but it doesn't have to be. There can really be a lot more consensus than controversy if you can have this kind of exchange and explain some of the nuance behind it.

Dr. Christopher Gardner
90%
Proportion of grains Americans eat that is wheat This includes wheat in bagels, pastry, toast, pizza crust, etc., making it a predominant grain source.
40%
Proportion of American carbs from 'crappy carbs' This includes added sugar and refined grains, primarily refined wheat.
10%
Proportion of American carbs from 'healthy carbs' This refers to healthier carbohydrate sources.
150
Number of different molecules in NOVA classification list These are cosmetic additives, some with horrific names, others like turmeric and pectin.
10,000
Number of GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) items This is an increase from an initial 800, allowing many ingredients in food without extensive human safety testing.
0.66 grams per kilogram body weight per day
Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) for protein Determined by nitrogen balance studies, representing the amount needed to replace losses in a studied population.
0.8 grams per kilogram body weight per day
Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein Set at two standard deviations above the EAR, ensuring 97.5% of the population meets or exceeds their protein requirement.
1.2 grams per kilogram body weight per day or higher
Average protein intake of Americans This is generally without conscious effort or supplementation, exceeding the RDA.
~10%
Protein content of grains By calorie, grains generally have lower protein density compared to other sources.
20%
Protein content of beans By calorie, beans are a good source of protein for plant-eaters.
40%
Protein content of soybeans By calorie, soybeans are a very high-quality protein source among plants.
22
Number of identical twin pairs in vegan vs. omnivore study Participants were randomized to either a vegan or omnivorous diet for 8 weeks.
20
Number of inflammatory markers that decreased in fermented food group Out of 90 markers tested, 20 showed improvement in the group consuming fermented foods.
6 servings
Average daily servings of fermented food in study's intervention group Participants increased their intake from less than half a serving to six servings daily for six weeks.
3 servings
Average daily servings of fermented food 4 weeks post-study Participants maintained a significantly higher intake of fermented foods even after the study concluded.