How to Achieve Inner Peace & Healing | Dr. Richard Schwartz

Episode 218 Mar 3, 2025 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Richard Schwartz, founder of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy, guides Dr. Huberman and listeners through an IFS session. They explore how IFS views the mind as "parts" shaped by experiences, offering tools to understand and transform challenging emotions and behaviors for emotional healing and healthier relationships.

At a Glance
13 Insights
2h 13m Duration
16 Topics
8 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Internal Family Systems and Mind's Multiplicity

Trauma, Exiles, and Protector Parts (Managers, Firefighters)

Exploring Inner Frustration and the Role of Surrender

The Self (Capital S) and Its Core Qualities (8 C's)

IFS Therapy for Self-Exploration and Healing

Role Confusion, Conflict, and Legacy Burdens

Somatic vs. Cognitive Feelings in IFS Practice

IFS Integration with Psychedelics (Ketamine)

Early Morning States and Breathwork for Accessing Parts

Addressing Shame, Racism, and Compassion for Protectors

Understanding Unhealthy Romantic and Child-Parent Relationships

Self-Exploration of Internal Protectors and New Relationships

Protectors, Managers, Firefighters in Suicidal & Addiction Behaviors

Overworking, Fear of Mortality, and Dissociation

Technology, Distraction, and Exacerbating Inner Problems

IFS Perspective on Psychiatry, New Ideas, and Cultural Conflicts

Parts

The mind is naturally multiple, consisting of various sub-personalities, ego states, or 'parts.' These parts are inherently valuable but can be forced into destructive roles by trauma or attachment injuries.

Self (Capital S)

The core essence of an individual, separate from their 'parts,' which possesses inherent qualities like curiosity, calm, confidence, compassion, courage, clarity, creativity, and connectedness. It is the natural inner leader capable of healing and guiding the parts.

Exiles

The most vulnerable and sensitive parts of an individual that get hurt, shamed, or terrified by trauma and are then locked away or pushed out of conscious awareness to avoid feeling their pain. They remain 'stuck' in the past, living as if the trauma is still happening.

Protectors

Parts that take on extreme roles to shield the individual from the pain of exiles or prevent further harm. They are broadly categorized into Managers and Firefighters.

Managers

A type of protector part that attempts to control the individual's life and environment to avoid triggering exiles or prevent harm. They are often proactive, trying to keep everything under control, please others, and maintain a good image.

Firefighters

A type of protector part that reacts impulsively and reactively when exiles are triggered and their raw emotions threaten to overwhelm the system. They aim to douse the emotional 'flames' through extreme behaviors like addictions, dissociation, or rage, often disregarding collateral damage.

Legacy Burdens

Extreme beliefs and emotions inherited from ancestors or cultural traumas that drive an individual's parts into extreme roles and contribute to conflicts. Unloading these burdens is key to healing.

8 C's of Self

The eight core qualities that characterize the Self: Curiosity, Calm, Confidence, Compassion, Courage, Clarity, Creativity, and Connectedness. These qualities emerge when protector parts step aside.

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What is Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy?

IFS views the mind as naturally multiple, composed of 'parts' that are inherently valuable but can be forced into extreme roles by trauma, and a core 'Self' that can heal these parts. It's a psychotherapy model that also serves as a life practice for understanding the mind.

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How does IFS define trauma?

Trauma isn't just a bad event, but rather the act of pushing away and locking up vulnerable parts that get hurt, feel worthless, or terrified by an event, instead of embracing and helping them unload their feelings.

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What are the different types of 'parts' in IFS?

The main categories are 'Exiles,' which are vulnerable parts holding pain from past traumas, and 'Protectors,' which shield the system from this pain, further divided into 'Managers' (proactive, controlling) and 'Firefighters' (reactive, impulsive).

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What is the 'Self' in IFS?

The 'Self' is the core essence of an individual, distinct from their parts, characterized by qualities like curiosity, calm, confidence, compassion, courage, clarity, creativity, and connectedness, and acts as the natural inner leader capable of healing the parts.

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Can IFS be practiced without a therapist?

Yes, a significant amount of IFS work can be done independently, especially by working with protector parts, introducing them to the Self, and helping them understand they don't always need to be in extreme roles.

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How do psychedelics like ketamine interact with IFS?

Psychedelics can temporarily quiet manager parts, allowing the Self to emerge more easily and providing quicker access to exiled parts for healing, which can accelerate the therapeutic process.

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Why do people repeat unhealthy relationship patterns?

Often, parts that were hurt by a parent in childhood seek redemption by subconsciously influencing the choice of a partner who resembles that parent, leading to a repetition compulsion until the inner exiled part is healed by the Self.

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How does IFS approach suicidal or addictive behaviors?

IFS views these as extreme firefighter parts desperately trying to protect the individual from overwhelming pain or fear of annihilation. The approach is to get curious about these parts, understand what they're protecting, and help them unload their burdens so they can transform into healthier roles.

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How can one begin to do IFS self-work?

One can start by focusing on a protective part (like an inner critic or overworker), localizing its sensation in the body, getting curious about it, asking what it wants you to know, what it fears, and what it needs from you going forward.

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What is the role of technology and distraction in relation to IFS?

Modern technologies and constant distractions can impede self-work by keeping protective parts active and preventing individuals from connecting with their exiled parts, which surface when there's downtime or quiet.

1. IFS Self-Exploration Exercise

Engage in a structured internal family systems exercise to understand your parts: 1. Identify a protective part (e.g., critic, overworker) and locate its sensation in your body. 2. Assess your feelings toward it, and if negative, ask those parts to relax to foster curiosity. 3. Ask the part what it wants you to know about itself and what it fears would happen if it didn’t act this way. 4. Express appreciation for its protective efforts, then ask what it would prefer to do if liberated from its role. 5. Inquire how old it thinks you are and update its perception to your current age, then ask what it needs from you going forward. Conclude by thanking your parts and shifting focus back outside.

2. Practice Momentary Surrender

When feeling overwhelmed in high-tension conversations, choose to surrender in the moment to gain better internal and external perspective. This strategy helps to improve your ‘optics’ on the situation without compromising your core truths.

3. Practice Self-Leadership

During interactions, especially conflicts, remind your protective parts that ‘I can handle this’ and ask them to step back. This allows you to engage from a state of ‘Self’ — characterized by curiosity, calm, confidence, and compassion — leading to more constructive conversations.

4. Daily Part Check-in

Make it a daily habit, particularly upon waking, to check in with the internal parts you are working with. Ask them how they are doing, what they need, and if they still feel better or appreciate your compassion, fostering an ongoing inner relationship.

5. Monitor for Protector Takeover

Throughout your day, observe whether you are operating from ‘Self’ qualities like curiosity, calm, confidence, compassion, courage, clarity, creativity, and connectedness. Any deviation from these qualities typically indicates that a protective part has taken over.

6. Curiosity for Judgmental Parts

Instead of fearing or disliking your judgmental internal parts, approach them with curiosity to understand their protective intentions. These parts often possess valuable discernment and aim to prevent you from getting hurt in relationships.

7. Update Protective Parts’ Age

Ask your protective parts how old they perceive you to be, and if they think you are younger, update them to your current age. This simple act can bring significant relief as they realize they no longer need to protect you in the same way they did when you were young.

8. Work with Protectors (Self-Guided)

Utilize resources like workbooks to understand and interact with your protective parts, recognizing that they are not your true essence but rather parts trying their best. This initial self-work helps you get to know them and their intentions without necessarily delving into deep trauma.

9. Limit Distractions to Access Parts

Be mindful of constant distractions from devices and activities, as they feed protective parts and prevent access to exiled, vulnerable parts. Reducing external distraction allows these internal parts to come forward and be addressed.

10. Engage Suicidal Parts

If a suicidal part emerges, approach it with curiosity and ask what it fears would happen if it didn’t act. Offer to help unload the underlying pain it’s trying to protect you from, aiming for it to transform into a part that supports life. Note: This is a therapeutic approach and should not replace professional help for active suicidal ideation.

11. Engage Addictive Parts

Instead of fighting addictive parts, get curious about them and ask what they fear would happen if they didn’t engage in the addictive behavior. Offer to heal the underlying pain or shame they are protecting, inviting them to transform their role.

12. Engage in Self-Led Activism

If involved in activism, strive to operate from ‘Self’ qualities like curiosity, calm, and compassion, rather than from righteous or judgmental parts. This approach fosters a different, more impactful engagement where others are more willing to listen.

13. Explore Contours of Fear

When confronted with something deeply frightening, such as the fear of death, actively explore its contours rather than avoiding it. This personal strategy can lead to profound self-discovery and transformation.

What's traumatizing is something bad happens. These more vulnerable parts of us, the most sensitive parts of us, get hurt or feel worthless because of what happened or get terrified. And then we lock them away because we don't want to feel that feeling anymore.

Dr. Richard Schwartz

There are no bad parts. You go to everybody in there, regardless of how you think they, how bad they are. And you get curious about them and you learn how they're trying to protect.

Dr. Richard Schwartz

Self isn't a kind of passive witness as it is in a lot of spiritual traditions in IFS. It's an active inner leader. It's an active external leader.

Dr. Richard Schwartz

The mistake our culture makes, the mistake that most psychotherapies make, is to assume that he is that racist rant and to try to exile him.

Dr. Richard Schwartz

The pain point can potentially become the source of tremendous growth and value to the world.

Andrew Huberman

IFS Self-Exploration of Internal Protectors

Dr. Richard Schwartz
  1. Pick a protective part you want to get to know (e.g., inner critic, overworker, caretaker).
  2. Focus on that inner voice, emotion, thought pattern, or sensation.
  3. Notice where it seems to be located in or around your body.
  4. As you focus, notice how you feel toward it (dislike, fear, resentment, dependence).
  5. If you feel anything other than openness or curiosity, ask those other parts to relax back for a few minutes to allow you to get to know the target part.
  6. If you reach a state of curiosity, ask the target part what it wants you to know about itself.
  7. Ask the part what it's afraid would happen if it didn't do this inside of you.
  8. If it's trying to protect you, extend appreciation to it for trying to keep you safe.
  9. Ask if you could go to what it protects and heal or change that, so it didn't need to protect you so much, and what it might like to do instead.
  10. Ask the part how old it thinks you are.
  11. If it got your age wrong, update it.
  12. Ask the part what it needs from you going forward.
  13. When the time feels right, thank your parts for whatever they let you do and shift your focus back outside, taking some deep breaths.

Daily IFS Check-in

Dr. Richard Schwartz
  1. Each morning, instead of focusing on daily tasks or problems, check in with the parts you've been working with.
  2. Ask them how they are doing, what they need from you today, and what they want you to know.
  3. Assess if you still feel compassion or appreciation for them.
  4. Throughout the day, notice if you are operating from the 'C-word qualities' (curious, calm, confident, compassionate, courageous, clear, creative, connected).
  5. If you notice any departures from these qualities, recognize it's usually a protector part.
  6. Have an internal 'board meeting' with the protector, acknowledging its fear or intention, and ask it to step back and trust the Self.
41 years ago
Years Dr. Schwartz stumbled onto IFS As of the recording of the podcast
8 C's
Number of core qualities of the Self Curiosity, Calm, Confidence, Compassion, Courage, Clarity, Creativity, Connectedness
32 leaders
Participants in an IFS and ketamine retreat Refers to a specific retreat mentioned by Dr. Schwartz
15 minutes
Time saved in therapy sessions with ketamine Work that might take five sessions can be done in 15 minutes after a ketamine experience
20 years
Years Dr. Schwartz worked with DID and borderline personality clients To test the 'no bad parts' concept
6 boys
Number of Dr. Schwartz's brothers Dr. Schwartz is the oldest of six boys
30 years
Years Dr. Schwartz went grassroots with IFS Before it started to be accepted in psychiatry