How to Heal From Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) | Dr. Victor Carrión

Episode 195 Sep 23, 2024 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Victor Carrión, Vice-Chair of Psychiatry at Stanford, discusses PTSD/PTSI in children and adults, its link to ADHD, and effective treatments. He highlights cue-centered therapy, custom "toolboxes," and a yoga/mindfulness curriculum that significantly improves sleep and reduces amygdala activity.

At a Glance
17 Insights
2h 26m Duration
19 Topics
10 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Dr. Victor Carrión and PTSD

Defining Stress, Trauma, and the PTSD Spectrum

Children's Vulnerability to PTSD and Transgenerational Trauma

Post-Traumatic Stress Injury (PTSI) and Dissociation

Cortisol Levels, Brain Development, and PTSD in Youth

Distinguishing PTSD Symptoms from ADHD in Children

Importance of Identifying Cues and Triggers in Trauma

Cue-Centered Therapy (CCT) for Pediatric PTSD

Neurobiological Basis of Frontolimbic Pathway Dysfunction

Developing a Personalized 'Therapy Toolbox' for Coping

The Four-Corner Square Response System for Stress

Social Media, Boundaries, and Digital Well-being

Yoga and Mindfulness Curriculum in Schools for Prevention

Impact of School-Based Interventions on Sleep and Amygdala

Barriers to National Implementation of Mental Health Programs

Redefining Success and Identity Beyond Extreme Performance

Understanding Resilience and Adaptation Through Biology

Future Directions: Organoid Research and Epigenetic Treatment Response

The Importance of Listening in Healing Trauma

Stress Spectrum

Stress ranges from beneficial (optimal performance) to traumatic (physiological cost, physical integrity threatened), operating on an inverted U-shaped curve. Traumatic stress is a type of stress that puts physical integrity in jeopardy.

Allostasis

This is a state where the body incurs a physiological cost due to prolonged or excessive stress, moving beyond the normal homeostatic range. It represents the accumulation of stressors that can lead to symptoms of PTSD.

Post-Traumatic Stress Injury (PTSI)

An alternative term for PTSD, viewing it as an injury where the autonomic nervous system's fight-or-flight mechanism has been desensitized and needs to be re-regulated. This perspective emphasizes that it is a treatable injury rather than solely a disorder.

Dissociation

During development, dissociation is a healthy defense mechanism for children coping with overwhelming situations, allowing them to 'freeze' or detach. However, if it becomes the sole coping mechanism, it can develop into dissociative disorders.

Cues/Triggers

These are usually neutral sensory inputs (e.g., a color, sound, rain) that, through classical conditioning, become associated with a traumatic event. They can later trigger a stress response, often without the individual consciously recognizing the connection.

Frontolimbic Pathway

This pathway involves communication between the prefrontal cortex (responsible for executive function, problem-solving, context) and the limbic system (emotional areas like the amygdala). In PTSD, this pathway can malfunction, leading to impaired emotional regulation and difficulty 'braking' an overactive amygdala.

Therapy Toolbox

A personalized collection of coping mechanisms and tools (e.g., positive thoughts, deep breathing, mindfulness, physical activity) that individuals learn and choose to manage stress and trauma symptoms. The individual's sense of agency in selecting and developing these tools is crucial for their effectiveness.

Creating Space

This concept refers to the ability to break the automatic chain of negative thoughts and reactions by pausing and choosing a more adaptive response. It allows for responsiveness rather than reactivity, providing optionality in how one responds to stressors.

Organoids

These are 'mini-brains' grown from stem cells in a petri dish, forming 3D neuronal structures that communicate with each other. They are used to study how neurons and genes respond to stressors like cortisol, mimicking brain development and trauma effects at a cellular level.

Epigenetic Analysis

This involves studying changes in gene activity (e.g., through methylation patterns) that do not alter the underlying DNA sequence but affect how genes are expressed. It is used to understand how stress impacts gene activity and to identify potential biological markers for resilience and treatment response.

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How does stress impact us, and when does it become traumatic?

Stress operates on an inverted U-shaped curve, improving performance up to an optimal point. Beyond this, it becomes allostatic, incurring physiological costs, and can turn traumatic when it threatens physical integrity.

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Are children more or less vulnerable to PTSD than adults?

Children are generally more vulnerable to PTSD due to their developing brains and limited coping tools. However, their neuroplasticity also allows for easier recovery with positive interventions and support.

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How can PTSD symptoms be mistaken for ADHD in children?

Hypervigilance in PTSD can be misinterpreted as hyperactivity, and dissociation can be misinterpreted as inattentiveness. This can lead to misdiagnosis and the inappropriate use of stimulant medication, which may exacerbate hyperarousability.

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What is the role of cortisol in pediatric PTSD?

Children with PTSD often exhibit elevated pre-bedtime cortisol levels, which do not decrease as much as in healthy individuals. This can negatively impact brain development, particularly in the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex, affecting memory, executive function, and emotional regulation.

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Why is it important to identify personal cues or triggers for PTSD?

Identifying cues helps individuals understand that their symptoms are not random or a sign of being 'crazy,' but rather conditioned responses to specific stimuli. This knowledge empowers them to develop new, competitive responses and regain a sense of control over their reactions.

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What is the 'therapy toolbox' approach in treating PTSD?

The therapy toolbox is a personalized collection of coping tools and strategies (e.g., breathing exercises, positive thinking, physical activity, social connection) that individuals learn and choose to manage their stress and trauma symptoms. It emphasizes self-efficacy and empowerment by allowing individuals to select and even create their own tools.

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How can schools help prevent and address trauma in children?

Implementing school-wide curricula that include yoga and mindfulness exercises can serve as a preventive intervention. These programs have been shown to improve students' mood, stress resilience, and significantly increase sleep duration and depth.

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What is the difference between resilience and adaptation?

Resilience is the ability to bounce back to a previous state after a challenge. Adaptation, however, implies not only bouncing back but also learning from the experience to reach a better, more evolved state, indicating growth beyond the original baseline.

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How can we better understand the biology of resilience and treatment response?

By combining organoid research (exposing mini-brains to cortisol to study epigenetic changes) with population studies (analyzing epigenetic markers in children undergoing interventions), researchers can identify genes related to resilience and predict treatment effectiveness.

1. Prioritize Quality Sleep

Control the temperature of your sleeping environment (e.g., using a smart mattress cover) to allow your body temperature to drop 1-3 degrees to fall and stay deeply asleep, and increase 1-3 degrees to wake refreshed. This practice is foundational for mental health, physical health, and performance, optimizing deep and REM sleep.

2. Engage in Regular Therapy

Incorporate regular, quality therapy into your routine, considering it as important as physical exercise. This provides a trusted rapport, emotional support or directed guidance, and useful insights to improve emotional, relationship, and professional aspects of life.

3. Maintain Meditation Practice

Cultivate a consistent meditation practice, even if only for 2-3 minutes daily, utilizing varied guided programs or mindfulness trainings to improve focus, manage stress and anxiety, and enhance mood. The variety and flexibility of durations can help overcome challenges in maintaining consistency.

4. Avoidance Fuels PTSD

Do not avoid or pretend that traumatic experiences will simply disappear, as avoidance is a primary factor that exacerbates PTSD symptoms. This can lead to further complications such as substance abuse or self-injurious behaviors, making treatment harder.

5. Seek Support for Trauma

Do not ruminate on traumatic experiences in isolation, as attempting to make sense of trauma alone may lead to focusing on the wrong aspects of the insult. Seeking support is crucial because PTSD often stems from an accumulation of stressors, not just a single event.

6. Practice Positive Thoughts

Regularly practice positive thoughts, even when not actively stressed, to build them into automatic responses. Unlike negative thoughts which are often automatic, positive thoughts require practice to become proficient and serve as helpful tools for self-regulation.

7. Develop Custom Coping Toolbox

Create a personalized ’toolbox’ of coping mechanisms by identifying what naturally helps you (e.g., listening to music, playing sports, drinking orange juice) and incorporating learned techniques like deep breathing, muscle relaxation, mindfulness, or simple yoga poses. This empowers individuals with a sense of control and agency over their responses, as self-developed tools are often most effective.

8. Use Toolbox for High Stress

When experiencing very high levels of stress (e.g., 8-10 on a 1-10 emotional thermometer scale), immediately deploy a tool from your personalized ’toolbox’ to calm down. This helps reduce emotional charge before attempting more cognitively demanding interventions.

9. Analyze Stress with Four Corners

Use the ‘four-corner system’ (thinking, emotional feelings, physical feelings, and actions) to break down and understand your stress responses. By focusing on and altering one corner, you can cascade changes across the others, leading to new, more adaptive responses and creating space for choice.

10. Engage Four Corners at Moderate Stress

Apply the ‘four-corner system’ for analyzing stress responses when stress levels are moderate (e.g., 3-5 on a 1-10 scale), rather than when highly emotionally charged. This approach requires a level of cognitive engagement that is difficult to achieve during peak emotional distress.

11. Cold Exposure for Stress Control

Engage in deliberate cold exposure (e.g., cold showers) to practice controlling your stress response. The non-negotiable adrenaline rush offers an opportunity to exert frontal control over limbic pathways and observe your psychological return to baseline, serving as a general exercise for the nervous system.

12. Set Social Media Boundaries

Establish clear boundaries for social media use within the family, such as designated ‘phone-free’ times (e.g., during dinner), to prevent passive overuse and encourage engagement with the real world. This treats social media as a tool that needs rules, similar to other household tools.

13. Model Desired Behavior

When establishing rules, especially for children (e.g., for social media use), consistently model the desired behavior yourself. Children observe parents closely, and modeling is crucial for the effectiveness and adherence to these boundaries.

14. Prioritize Mental Health Funding

Advocate for and prioritize mental health and education in national and local budgets, ensuring dedicated funding and resources are allocated for early intervention and support programs. This is crucial for addressing widespread issues like PTSD and improving overall societal well-being.

15. Support Teachers in Mental Health

Provide teachers with increased time, space, and resources to effectively implement mental health programs in schools. Teachers are often overworked and under-resourced, yet are key to delivering interventions like yoga and mindfulness curricula.

16. Implement School Yoga/Mindfulness

Introduce school-wide yoga and mindfulness curricula, ideally by training teachers to deliver 15-50 minute sessions 2-3 times per week. This intervention has been shown to significantly increase sleep duration (by 73 minutes on average) and depth, and decrease amygdala activity in children, serving as a powerful preventive measure.

17. Practice Active Listening

Actively listen to the experiences of others, both children and adults, to create a supportive space where they feel heard and not isolated. This approach helps individuals identify their own strengths and capabilities for self-improvement, fostering a sense of support and agency.

PTSD feeds on avoidance.

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Children are really not [resilient]. They're more vulnerable. They have the opportunity to become resilient if we help them.

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The problem is not the hypervigilance, the problem is knowing when to turn it on and when to turn it off, having the cognitive flexibility.

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If we pretend that something didn't happen, if we pretend that it will go away, if we pretend that treatment is not necessary, then that's when it gets complicated.

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The best tool that I have is me. It's my own body, whatever these kids go in the future, there's something that's always going to be there with them, which is themselves.

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Practice positive thoughts.

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I think we need to redefine success and what it means to be successful.

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The best psychiatrists that I know actually say very little. They listen.

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Customized Therapy Toolbox Development

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  1. Ask the individual, 'When you're feeling a certain way (e.g., agitated, anxious, nervous), is there anything that makes you feel better?' to identify existing coping mechanisms.
  2. Acknowledge and validate the individual's identified coping strategies (e.g., listening to music, playing sports, talking to friends, drinking orange juice).
  3. Introduce taught tools such as relaxation exercises (deep breathing, muscle relaxation), positive thinking practices, and simple mindfulness/yoga exercises.
  4. Empower the individual to decide which taught tools to include in their personal toolbox and which to exclude, emphasizing personal choice and control.
  5. Encourage self-discovery, highlighting that self-developed tools are often the most effective and that the individual themselves is their best tool.
  6. Promote consistent practice of chosen tools, especially positive thinking, even when not in a stress response, to build proficiency.

The Four-Corner Square Response System

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  1. Assess the current level of distress using an emotional thermometer (e.g., a 0-10 scale). If distress is very high (e.g., 8-10), first use a tool from the 'Therapy Toolbox' to reduce intensity.
  2. Identify an entry point by choosing one of the four corners of a square (thinking, emotional feeling, physical feeling, action) that feels most accessible to examine the current response.
  3. Examine the chosen corner: For example, identify negative thoughts ('I'm in danger'), emotional labels ('I'm scared'), physical sensations ('my heart is racing'), or specific actions ('running out of the classroom').
  4. Consider alternatives: Explore different ways of thinking, feeling, or acting within that specific corner to break the automatic chain of response.
  5. Develop a new response: By changing one corner, a new, more adaptive 'square' (response) can be created, leading to different outcomes.
  6. Build a 'cube' of responses: Over time, develop an 'armamentarium' of many potential responses for various situations, increasing cognitive flexibility.
  7. Integrate the 'Therapy Toolbox': Utilize tools from the personal toolbox to manage distress and facilitate engagement with the square system when needed.

School-Based Yoga and Mindfulness Curriculum (Pure Power Inc.)

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  1. Train classroom teachers to deliver the curriculum, leveraging their classroom management skills.
  2. Implement regular sessions, typically 2-3 times per week, lasting 15-50 minutes, within the regular classroom setting.
  3. Allow students to remain in their school clothes; provide mats for exercises.
  4. Integrate the lessons and yoga movements into existing class time, with teachers dedicating a portion of their subject time (e.g., math class) to the curriculum.
  5. Optionally, provide a dedicated room for students to practice independently if teachers are not conducting sessions in the classroom.
50%
Percentage of children without access to mental health services Approximately half of children in the mental health field do not receive necessary services.
73 minutes
Increased sleep duration from school-based yoga and mindfulness curriculum Average increase in sleep for students participating in the curriculum.
2-3 times per week for 15-50 minutes
Frequency and duration of school-based yoga and mindfulness sessions Typical schedule for the curriculum implemented in classrooms.
25 years
Lifespan reduction for individuals with chronic severe mental illness Individuals suffering from severe mental illness chronically may die 25 years younger than the general population.