How to Shape Your Identity & Goals | Dr. Maya Shankar

Episode 134 Jul 24, 2023 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist and former White House advisor, discusses identity formation, goal setting, and motivation. She shares science-based strategies to cope with change, redefine self, and sustain motivation through life's transitions, drawing from her experience as a former concert violinist.

At a Glance
28 Insights
2h 31m Duration
22 Topics
11 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Introduction to Dr. Maya Shankar's Background and Expertise

Early Identity Formation and Societal Projections

Understanding Identity Foreclosure and Identity Paralysis

Adolescent Identity Exploration and the Concept of 'Essence'

The Experience of Delight and Awe in Personal Discovery

Maya's Childhood Violin Journey and Parental Support

The Power of Intrinsic Motivation and Its Undermining Factors

Navigating Competitive Environments and Teenage Self-Consciousness

Re-creating Identity After a Career-Ending Injury

The Role of Pop Science in Sparking New Passions

Curiosity and Relishing the Process as Identity Anchors

The Human Aversion to Uncertainty and Cognitive Closure

The End-of-History Illusion and Dynamic Self-Perception

The Importance of Self-Awareness and Critical Feedback from Others

Tools for a Flexible Mindset: Reframing and Strategic Venting

Goal Framing: Approach vs. Avoidance Orientations

The Critical Role of Agency in Goal Pursuit

Group Dynamics: Dangers of Echo Chambers and Cultivating Open-Mindedness

Understanding Different Types of Empathy and Preventing Burnout

Strategies for Effective Goal Setting

Overcoming the 'Middle Problem' in Sustaining Motivation

Leveraging the Peak-End Rule for Unpleasant Tasks

Identity Foreclosure

This occurs when external structures, such as parental or societal expectations, limit a young person's mindset about what they want to achieve or believe, preventing them from exploring their own identity.

Identity Paralysis

A state where one's sense of self and purpose is profoundly questioned, often following a significant loss or change, leading to feelings of being stuck and unable to envision a future path.

Throughline (of Identity)

The underlying, durable core motivations or features (e.g., a desire for human connection) that connect seemingly disparate pursuits or life changes, serving as a stable anchor for self-definition.

Essentialism

The belief that people possess immutable, inherent qualities or 'essences' that define them, which can lead to feelings of shame (e.g., 'I am bad') or limit the adoption of a growth mindset.

Awe

An experience characterized by a sense of perceived vastness (physical, conceptual, or temporal) and a 'need for accommodation,' where new information challenges and integrates with one's existing mental model of the world.

Intrinsic Motivation

The drive to engage in an activity for its inherent satisfaction or enjoyment, rather than being primarily compelled by external rewards or pressures.

Cognitive Closure

The psychological need to arrive at clear, definitive answers and avoid ambiguity, which can hinder open-mindedness and resilience when facing change.

End-of-History Illusion

The tendency to acknowledge significant personal change in the past but to believe that one's current self is the final, stable version, underestimating future personal transformation.

Approach vs. Avoidance Orientation (Goal Framing)

Framing goals either positively (e.g., 'I want to eat healthier foods'), which fosters pride and motivation upon success, or negatively (e.g., 'I want to avoid unhealthy foods'), which primarily leads to calm and relief upon success.

Endowment Effect

A psychological principle stating that people value things more when they perceive they own them or have earned them, which can be leveraged to increase motivation and engagement in goal setting.

Peak-End Rule

A cognitive bias where our memory of an experience is disproportionately influenced by its most emotionally intense moment (the peak) and its conclusion (the end), rather than the sum of all its parts.

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How does early identity form?

Early identity is largely shaped by observing what is deemed successful in society and by imposed structures and belief systems from parents and peer groups, often leading to 'identity foreclosure'.

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Why do teenagers often grapple with the question 'Who am I?'

During adolescence, significant brain changes occur, fostering a desire for independence and prompting teenagers to break from imposed structures and actively question who they want to be outside of their upbringing.

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What is the danger of believing in an 'essence' of self?

Believing in an immutable 'essence' can lead to harmful self-narratives, feelings of shame (e.g., 'I am bad' instead of 'I did something bad'), and can limit the cultivation of a growth mindset.

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How can awe-inspiring experiences help define identity?

Awe-inspiring experiences, particularly when one sees a 'place for oneself' within them, can serve as an entry point for defining new aspects of identity and translating passive admiration into active engagement and personal growth.

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How can one redefine identity after a major life setback or loss?

Instead of seeking the exact same sensory experience or 'high,' focus on identifying the underlying core motivations or 'throughlines' of past passions (e.g., human connection) and finding new expressions for them.

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Why are pop science books valuable for learning and career paths?

Pop science books can make complex subjects accessible and thrilling to general audiences, sparking curiosity and drawing people into fields they might not otherwise explore, serving as a public good.

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How can we get better data on ourselves and improve self-awareness?

Actively audit how one changes during significant life transitions, seek out diverse connections and uncomfortable conversations for critical feedback, and use distancing techniques like thinking about problems from a third-person perspective.

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Why is it important to care about what other people think?

As social creatures, how we impact others is a crucial part of our self-identity; external feedback can act as a valuable barometer for blind spots and areas where personal growth or change might be beneficial.

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How does framing affect goal achievement?

Framing goals with an 'approach orientation' (e.g., 'eat healthier') is generally more motivating and leads to feelings of pride upon success, whereas an 'avoidance orientation' (e.g., 'avoid unhealthy foods') typically results in calm or relief.

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Why is having agency important for motivation?

When individuals have a sense of ownership and control over their goals and targets, it leverages their natural drive for autonomy, leading to increased intrinsic motivation and satisfaction with outcomes.

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What are the dangers of being surrounded only by like-minded people?

Being in an 'echo chamber' can limit one's frame of mind, making it difficult to challenge personal viewpoints or beliefs, as these often become deeply tethered to identity.

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How can one cultivate open-mindedness and empathy towards differing viewpoints?

Learning about how the mind works, how decisions are made, and how beliefs are formed (cognitive science) can foster empathy, helping one understand the underlying factors driving others' perspectives, even when disagreeing.

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What are the three distinct types of empathy?

The three types are emotional empathy (visceral feeling of another's pain), cognitive empathy (accurately diagnosing distress and potential solutions), and empathic concern/compassion (the desire to help another person).

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How can one sustain motivation in the middle of a long-term goal?

Shorten the duration of goals (e.g., weekly instead of annual), and use 'temptation bundling' by pairing an unpleasant activity with an immediately rewarding one, ensuring the reward is exclusive to that pairing.

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How can the 'peak-end rule' be used to maintain motivation for challenging activities?

To make an unpleasant activity more likely to be repeated, extend the activity by a few minutes but make those final minutes slightly less unpleasant than the core activity, which positively influences the memory of the experience.

1. Anchor Identity to Purpose

Anchor your identity to why you do the things you do rather than what you do. This creates a more durable and reliable relationship with your identity, making it resilient to change and loss by allowing you to find your core drivers elsewhere.

2. Embrace Malleable Self-Perception

Adopt a flexible way of thinking about yourself, recognizing that there might not be immutable ’essential qualities.’ This prevents harmful self-narratives and allows for a growth mindset, enabling continuous change and improvement.

3. Cultivate a Flexible Mindset

Pride yourself on a willingness to update opinions, belief systems, and strategies based on new information, rather than being stubbornly resolute in convictions. This allows for growth, better decision-making, and is a virtuous quality in various aspects of life.

4. Self-Audit During Life Changes

When experiencing significant life changes, constantly audit yourself to understand how you have changed, not just the specific area of alteration. Change in one area can have unpredictable spillover effects on all other parts of life, altering preferences, choices, and identity.

5. Nurture Genuine Curiosity

Foster genuine curiosity about what’s next or around the corner, without strong emotional attachment to specific outcomes. Curiosity is self-amplifying, provides endless energy for learning, and makes the journey enjoyable, as surprises can be more exciting than predictions.

6. Find Your Role in Awe

When experiencing awe, actively look for a ‘place for yourself’ within that experience, where you can enact something or engage with it. This transforms passive inspiration into delight and a sense of possibility, fostering deeper connection and new identity aspects.

7. Create Opportunities Actively

When desired opportunities do not exist, use ‘imaginative courage’ to create a path, such as making a ‘cold call’ or pitching a new position. The worst outcome is often rejection, but the aftermath can be amazing, leading to new roles and experiences.

8. Value the Process Over Outcome

Focus on relishing the process of an endeavor (e.g., making a podcast episode) rather than solely the external outcome (e.g., audience reaction). This provides a sturdy foundation, feeds curiosity, and offers protection from external noise and uncontrollable results.

9. Set Approach-Oriented Goals

Frame your goals in terms of an ‘approach orientation’ (e.g., ‘I want to eat healthier foods’) rather than an ‘avoidance orientation’ (e.g., ‘I want to avoid unhealthy foods’). Approach goals are generally more motivating, lead to feelings of pride and accomplishment upon success, and are easier to measure.

10. Maximize Personal Agency in Goals

Actively build choice and ownership into your goal pursuit, even when working with coaches or mentors (e.g., choosing targets, asking for options). Feeling in the driver’s seat and having agency is a powerful intrinsic motivator, leading to greater satisfaction and commitment.

11. Shorten Goal Pursuit Duration

Shorten the time duration of your goals (e.g., weekly instead of annual) to minimize the ‘middle problem.’ Motivation tends to dip in the middle of goal pursuit; shorter durations mean a shorter ‘middle’ phase, helping sustain motivation.

12. Employ Temptation Bundling

Pair an unpleasant activity (e.g., folding laundry, hard cardio) with an immediately rewarding, enjoyable activity (e.g., favorite podcast, music). Crucially, only indulge in the rewarding activity during the unpleasant task to maintain its potency.

13. Include Goal Emergency Reserve

Incorporate an ’emergency reserve’ or ‘slack’ into your goals, allowing for a few permissible misses without derailing the entire pursuit. This prevents frustration and complete abandonment of goals due to minor setbacks, allowing you to stay on track.

14. Utilize Fresh Start Moments

Leverage big milestone moments (new job, moving) or arbitrary fresh starts (New Year, first day of week/month/season) to introduce new habits. These moments provide a psychological break from the past and often involve environmental changes that make it easier to establish new patterns.

15. Improve Experience Endings

When engaging in an unpleasant but necessary activity, make the last few minutes slightly less unpleasant than the rest, even if it extends the overall duration. Our memory of an experience is heavily influenced by its peak and end, leading to a more positive overall impression and increasing the likelihood of returning to the activity.

16. Develop Diverse Empathy Types

Understand and cultivate all three types of empathy: emotional, cognitive (diagnosing distress and solutions), and empathic concern (desire to help), valuing them equally. This broadens your capacity for empathy, allows for different expressions of care, and can protect against burnout by shifting focus from purely emotional burden.

17. Gather Diverse Feedback

Surround yourself with a diverse set of people, including those you wouldn’t naturally gravitate towards or vehemently disagree with. This helps fill gaps in self-knowledge, breeds more self-awareness, and allows you to see how you come across to others.

18. Consider External Self-Perception

Be willing to integrate how you impact others into your understanding of self, rather than solely focusing on internal authenticity. We are social creatures, and how we come off to others matters; external feedback can be a valuable barometer for self-improvement.

19. Adopt Third-Person Perspective

When facing a problem or seeking to reframe something, think about it from a third-person perspective (e.g., ‘What advice would I give a friend in this situation?’). This promotes objectivity, emotional distance, and can decrease neural activity associated with hostility and aggression.

20. Seek Cognitive, Not Just Emotional, Support

When venting to a friend about a challenge, explicitly ask them to act as a ‘cognitive advisor’ by finding holes in your narrative and challenging your thinking, rather than just offering emotional support. This helps reframe situations, identify blind spots, and move towards solutions.

21. Challenge Early Identity Limitations

Take active steps to overcome biases or limitations experienced as a young person due to projected beliefs or roles (identity foreclosure). This can help you break free from imposed structures and expand your mindset regarding what you want to achieve and are capable of achieving.

22. Pursue Awe-Inspiring Experiences

Engage in experiences that evoke awe, characterized by perceived vastness (physical, conceptual, temporal) and a need for accommodation (integrating new information into your mental model). Awe can lead to more open minds, help define new identities, and confer benefits to well-being.

23. Imagine Alternate Belief Origins

To challenge your own viewpoints and avoid echo chambers, imagine how your belief system might differ if you were born in a different time period, family, or cultural landscape. This helps detach beliefs from identity, revealing their non-precious nature and making you more open to changing your mind.

24. Inquire About Mind-Changing Evidence

When engaging in disagreement, ask the other person, ‘What in theory could change your mind about X, Y, or Z?’ This presupposes a willingness to update beliefs, opens an entry point for discussion, and helps determine if a productive conversation is possible.

25. Align Goal-Setting State

Set goals when you are in the same psychological and physiological state as the one you’ll be in when actually pursuing the goal. This bridges ’empathy gaps’ between present and future selves, leading to more realistic and achievable goals.

26. Emphasize ‘Earned’ Benefits

When communicating benefits or opportunities, use language that emphasizes what someone has ’earned’ rather than merely what they are ’eligible’ for. This taps into the endowment effect, where people value things more when they feel ownership or have earned them, significantly increasing engagement.

27. Optimal Hydration & Electrolytes

Dissolve one packet of Element in 16 to 32 ounces of water first thing in the morning and during any physical exercise. This ensures adequate hydration and electrolytes (sodium, magnesium, potassium) for optimal brain and body function, as even slight dehydration diminishes performance.

28. Utilize Meditation & NSDR

Use a meditation app like Waking Up for meditation programs, mindfulness trainings, yoga nidra sessions, and non-sleep deep rest (NSDR) protocols. These practices can place the brain and body into different states, explore consciousness, and restore cognitive/physical energy, even with short sessions.

When you define yourself by the what, then as soon as the what goes away, you're like, oh my gosh, who the hell am I?

Maya Shankar

Shame is not the feeling, oh, I did something bad. Shame is the feeling I am bad.

Maya Shankar

I was all inspired by what I was reading, but the most important thing that happened in reading that book and understanding the author's history is that it gave me something to be. I saw a place for myself in this world.

Reginald Dwayne Betts (quoted by Maya Shankar)

I think that there's actually a pretty intense arrogance to the idea within the established scientific community that pop science books, while they might not be exhaustive, provided they're accurate, and they're making an attempt to educate and draw people in from all sectors. Yeah. Like, amen to that.

Andrew Huberman

We would rather be sure, certain, that a bad thing is going to happen than to have to deal with any feelings of uncertainty and ambiguity.

Maya Shankar

I really, really pride myself on having a flexible mindset about stuff and not being stubborn... The locus of my pride is not in being right or having a strong conviction. It is actually in my willingness to have a more dynamic state of mind regarding lots of issues.

Maya Shankar

I didn't convince them, Maya. They convinced themselves to change their mind.

Daryl Davis (quoted by Maya Shankar)

The greatest gift it has given me is empathy towards people. It is the greatest driver of human empathy to learn how our minds work.

Maya Shankar

Overcoming Identity Paralysis and Redefining Self

Maya Shankar
  1. Figure out your 'throughline': Identify the underlying core motivations or features of things you absolutely loved doing in the past (e.g., human connection, curiosity, getting better at things).
  2. Find the expression of that throughline elsewhere: Seek new pursuits, fields, or contexts where those core motivations can still be fulfilled, even if the activity itself is different.

Cultivating a Flexible Mindset and Receiving Critical Feedback

Maya Shankar
  1. Value updating opinions: Pride yourself on being willing to change your mind, beliefs, or strategy based on new information, rather than being stubbornly resolute.
  2. Seek diverse perspectives: Deliberately surround yourself with a diverse set of people, including those you might not naturally gravitate towards or with whom you vehemently disagree, to gain self-awareness and fill in blind spots.
  3. Adopt a 'you might be right' stance: When receiving critical feedback or engaging in disagreement, maintain an open-minded posture that allows for the possibility that the other person's perspective holds some truth.

Reframing Challenges and Overcoming Blind Spots

Ethan Cross (referenced by Maya Shankar)
  1. Use a distancing technique: When grappling with a problem, think about it from a third-person perspective, as if you are giving advice to a friend (who is actually yourself), to promote objectivity and emotional distance.
  2. Prime your listener for cognitive advice: When venting to a friend about a challenge, explicitly ask them to actively find holes in your narrative and challenge your thinking, rather than simply offering emotional comfort.

Effective Goal Setting

Ayelet Fischbach, Katie Milkman (referenced by Maya Shankar)
  1. Frame goals with an 'approach orientation': Focus on what you want to achieve (e.g., 'I want to eat healthier foods') rather than what you want to avoid (e.g., 'I want to avoid unhealthy foods'), as this is generally more motivating.
  2. Set goals when in the same psychological and physiological state: Align your present self's goal-setting with your future self's state during goal pursuit (e.g., set exercise goals while at the gym, not while relaxing on the couch) to set more realistic expectations.
  3. Build in an 'emergency reserve' or 'slack': Give yourself a few 'get-out-of-jail free cards' (e.g., three missed gym days in a month) for unforeseen circumstances, allowing you to stay on track without feeling like you've failed completely.
  4. Capitalize on the 'fresh start effect': Introduce new habits and goals during milestone moments (e.g., a new job, moving, the first day of the week/month/year) when environmental circumstances are different and offer a psychological clean slate.

Sustaining Motivation in Goal Pursuit

Katie Milkman, Daniel Kahneman, Amos Tversky (referenced by Maya Shankar)
  1. Shorten goal duration: Set weekly or shorter goals instead of annual goals to reduce the length and impact of the 'middle problem' (the lull in motivation during the middle of a long pursuit).
  2. Use temptation bundling: Pair an unpleasant but necessary activity (e.g., folding laundry, doing dishes) with an immediately rewarding, enjoyable activity (e.g., listening to a favorite podcast or music), ensuring the rewarding activity is reserved exclusively for that pairing to maintain its potency.
  3. Leverage the 'peak-end rule' for unpleasant tasks: For tedious or painful activities, extend the activity by a few minutes at the end, making those final minutes slightly less unpleasant than the core experience, to create a more positive overall memory and increase the likelihood of returning to the task.

Changing Minds and Cultivating Open-Mindedness

Daryl Davis (referenced by Maya Shankar)
  1. Recruit agency: Avoid implying you are trying to change someone's mind; instead, create an environment where they feel they are convincing themselves to change.
  2. Avoid questioning fundamental humanity: Even when confronted with abhorrent views, try not to question the other person's underlying humanity.
  3. Show genuine curiosity: Ask many questions to understand *why* they believe what they do, increasing your question-to-statement ratio.
  4. Ask 'What in theory could change your mind?': This question presupposes a willingness to change in the face of new information and helps identify potential entry points for discussion.
6 years old
Age Maya Shankar started playing violin Became 'absolutely obsessed' with the instrument.
15 years old
Age Maya Shankar experienced career-ending violin injury Forced her to reframe her life plans and identity.
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Increase in veterans accessing benefits due to one-word email change Changed 'eligible' to 'earned' in an email about employment and educational assistance.
50%
Chance of electric shock causing more stress People are more stressed by 50% chance of shock than 100% chance, due to aversion to uncertainty.
60 to 90 minutes
Recommended delay for caffeine intake after waking Adopted by Maya Shankar based on Huberman Lab recommendations for optimal brain and body function.
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Number of distinct types of empathy Emotional, cognitive, and empathic concern (compassion).