Psychedelics & Neurostimulation for Brain Rewiring | Dr. Nolan Williams

Episode 93 Oct 10, 2022 Episode Page ↗
Overview

Dr. Nolan Williams, a triple board-certified psychiatrist, neurologist, and Director of Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab, discusses clinical applications of brain stimulation, behavioral protocols, and novel drug treatments (including psychedelics) to treat mental health disorders like depression and PTSD. He emphasizes circuit-level changes over chemical imbalances.

At a Glance
17 Insights
2h 44m Duration
16 Topics
6 Concepts

Deep Dive Analysis

Understanding Depression: Manifestations, Risk Factors, and Acuity

The Brain-Heart Connection and Mood Regulation

Hemispheric Lateralization of Mood and Cognitive Control

Prefrontal Cortex, Beliefs, and Psychotherapy

Ketamine, Opioid System, and Dissociation in Depression Treatment

SSRIs, Serotonin Hypothesis, and Circuit-Based Psychiatry

Memories, Rules, and Psychedelics for Trauma Resolution

MDMA for PTSD Treatment and Neurotoxicity Concerns

Psilocybin, Brain Connectivity, and the Concept of 'Letting Go'

Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT for PTSD and Addiction Treatment

Clinical Use of Psychedelics and the Importance of Medical Supervision

Ayahuasca and its Effects on Recidivism Rates

Cannabis: THC, CBD, and Psychosis Risk

Relative Drug Risks: Alcohol vs. Illicit Substances

Circadian Reset for Depression: Sleep Deprivation and Light Therapy

Stanford Neuromodulation Therapy (SNT) for Rapid Depression Remission

Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex (DLPFC)

This brain region acts as a 'governor' or 'sense of control' for the brain, regulating deeper emotional regions like the cingulate. Its left side is associated with reducing depressive symptoms when excited, while the right side is linked to anti-manic effects, suggesting a hemispheric balancing of mood.

Human Connectome

A comprehensive map of neural connections in the brain. It reveals that strokes causing depression are functionally connected to the left DLPFC, while those causing mania are connected to the right DLPFC, highlighting specific network involvement in mood disorders.

Psychiatry 3.0 (Circuit-Based Psychiatry)

This evolving paradigm focuses on psychiatric illnesses as problems of dysregulated brain circuits, rather than chemical imbalances or solely early life experiences. It emphasizes that these circuits are correctable, offering a more empowering and recoverable view of mental health conditions.

Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) Therapy

A gold-standard treatment for OCD that involves exposing an individual to a trigger for an obsession and then preventing them from performing their usual compulsive response. The core idea is 'letting go' and allowing the individual to see that the feared outcome does not occur, thereby breaking the compulsive cycle.

Moral Injury

A type of psychological trauma experienced by individuals, particularly soldiers, when they perpetrate, witness, or fail to prevent acts that transgress their deeply held moral beliefs. It can lead to profound guilt, shame, and self-blame, often seen in PTSD.

Space Learning Theory

A psychological principle stating that learning is optimized when study sessions are spaced out over time, rather than crammed together. This theory is applied in neuromodulation to enhance brain plasticity and therapeutic effects by delivering stimulation in spaced intervals.

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How debilitating is depression compared to other medical conditions?

Moderate depression is as disabling as acutely having a heart attack, while severe depression is comparable to having untreated cancer, highlighting its significant impact on daily functioning.

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How does the brain's prefrontal cortex connect to heart rate regulation?

Stimulating the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC) with transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) causes a time-locked deceleration of heart rate, indicating a direct neural pathway from this cognitive control region through the vagus nerve to the heart.

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Can behavioral interventions like breathing or exercise help alleviate depression?

Yes, behavioral interventions such as meditation, mindfulness, and exercise can be effective for mild depression, potentially by influencing the brain-heart connection and improving mood, though their efficacy decreases with increasing severity of depression.

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Does the psychological experience of a psychedelic 'trip' solely drive its antidepressant effects?

Not necessarily. Studies with ketamine show that blocking its opioid receptor effects with naltrexone eliminates its antidepressant effect, even when the dissociative psychological experience remains identical, suggesting underlying pharmacology is crucial.

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Are SSRIs effective for depression, and is the 'chemical imbalance' theory accurate?

SSRIs are effective for depression, OCD, and anxiety in many individuals, but their delayed action suggests their mechanism isn't simply correcting a serotonin deficit. The 'chemical imbalance' theory is largely considered inaccurate, with current understanding focusing on circuit-level changes rather than a lack of specific chemicals.

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Is MDMA neurotoxic, particularly to serotonin neurons?

Current data from studies on chronic MDMA users and clinical trials suggest that MDMA, when used at appropriate doses and purity, does not appear to cause profound neurocognitive damage or neurotoxicity to serotonin neurons, contrary to earlier, flawed reports.

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What is the role of 'letting go' in psychedelic therapy for depression?

In psychedelic therapy, 'letting go' refers to the willingness to surrender control over thoughts, feelings, and perceptions, allowing the brain's network configuration to assume a new state. This process is analogous to exposure and response prevention therapy, where confronting and accepting feared experiences without resistance can lead to therapeutic breakthroughs.

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How does cannabis (THC vs. CBD) affect mental health, especially psychosis risk?

Cannabis effects depend on the ratio of CBD to THC: high-potency THC is pro-psychotic and pro-epileptic, while CBD is anti-psychotic and anti-epileptic. Early use of high-THC cannabis, particularly in adolescents (under 25), is associated with an increased risk of psychosis later in life.

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Can sleep deprivation be used to treat depression?

One night of total sleep deprivation can acutely reduce depressive symptoms, but the effect is lost upon subsequent sleep. A 'triple therapy' combining sleep deprivation, phase shifting, and bright light exposure aims to durably re-entrain the circadian rhythm for a more lasting antidepressant effect, but requires medical supervision.

1. Rapid Brain Circuit Re-calibration (SAINT)

Engage in the Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy (SAINT) protocol, which involves five times the normal TMS dose over five days, using spaced learning theory to optimize brain stimulation. This approach aims to reorganize brain activity, specifically re-timing the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex over the anterior cingulate, leading to rapid and durable remission from severe depression.

2. MDMA-Assisted PTSD Therapy

Under strict medical supervision in a clinical trial, consider MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD. One to a few sessions have shown significant anti-PTSD effects, with about two-thirds of participants experiencing clinically significant improvement that can last for years.

3. Ibogaine for Memory Reconsolidation

In a medically supervised setting, utilize Ibogaine to re-experience and re-evaluate past life memories, including moral injuries, from a detached, empathetic perspective. This process, often described as a ’life review’ or ‘10 years of psychotherapy in a night,’ appears to facilitate reconsolidation of memories and forgiveness, leading to dramatic improvements in life aspects for individuals with PTSD.

4. Psilocybin for Depression Relief

In a clinical setting, consider psilocybin-assisted therapy for depression, which appears to downregulate and unpair the over-connected subgenual anterior cingulate and default mode network. During the session, ’letting go’ of control and allowing the system to assume a new state is crucial for therapeutic effect.

5. Brain Stimulation for Mood Regulation

Utilize transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to excite the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex or inhibit the right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, as both approaches have antidepressant effects. This directly targets the brain’s mood regulatory regions, restoring the governance of the prefrontal cortex over deeper emotional areas.

6. Daily Meditation & NSDR

Engage in regular meditation, Yoga Nidra, or Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NSDR) protocols, using apps like Waking Up, for various durations. These practices help place the brain and body into different states and can greatly restore cognitive and physical energy.

7. Exercise for Mild Depression

Incorporate regular exercise into your routine, as it appears to be an effective treatment for mild depression. Exercise may work by influencing heart rate and potentially brain-heart connections, contributing to improved mood.

8. ERP for Compulsive Behaviors

For conditions like OCD, engage in Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) therapy by intentionally exposing oneself to triggers that elicit obsessions, then preventing the compulsive response. This helps the individual learn that the feared outcome does not occur, fostering a ’letting go’ of the compulsion.

9. Consistent Sleep for Mood

For overall mood regulation and mental health, prioritize establishing and maintaining a regular light-dark cycle and consistent sleep rhythm. This helps re-regulate the circadian system, which is often dysregulated in depression.

10. Delay Cannabis Use (Youth)

Parents should avoid exposing children and teenagers (up to age 25, before prefrontal maturation is complete) to high-potency THC cannabis. Early use of potent cannabis can potentially lead to an exacerbation of psychosis later in life, with at least a four-fold increase in psychotic episodes.

11. Acknowledge Alcohol’s High Societal Risk

Recognize that alcohol carries the highest combined personal and societal risk among commonly used drugs, surpassing heroin and cocaine. Despite its cultural ubiquity, it is associated with significant health issues and societal harms.

12. Openly Discuss Mental Health

Engage in open conversations about mental health challenges, as many people experience similar internal struggles. Talking about these issues helps reduce stigma and fosters a sense of shared experience, which can be beneficial for individual well-being.

13. Join Depression Clinical Trials

If experiencing depression or other mood disorders, consider applying for clinical trials at research institutions like Stanford’s Brain Stimulation Laboratory (bsl.stanford.edu). These trials offer access to cutting-edge experimental treatments and contribute to scientific understanding.

14. Cannabis: THC vs. CBD

Be aware that cannabis contains various cannabinoids, with THC being pro-psychotic and pro-epileptic, while CBD is anti-psychotic and anti-epileptic. The effects of cannabis on mental health, particularly psychosis, appear to be related to the proportion of CBD to THC.

Understand that ketamine’s antidepressant effects are significantly linked to its opioid properties, not solely its dissociative effects. While dissociation may be necessary, blocking opioid receptors with naltrexone dramatically reduces ketamine’s antidepressant impact.

16. SSRIs for Mood Disorders

For certain forms of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and generalized anxiety, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) can be effective. Their therapeutic action is likely due to brain plasticity effects rather than a direct correction of a ‘chemical imbalance.’

17. Triple Therapy for Circadian Reset

Under strict medical supervision, triple therapy involves sleep deprivation, a calculated phase shift, and simultaneous bright light exposure to re-entrain a dysregulated circadian system, which can produce a profound and durable antidepressant effect. This is not for home use due to complexity and potential for increased anxiety.

Depression is the most disabling condition worldwide. What's interesting about depression is it's both a risk factor for other illnesses and it makes other medical and psychiatric illnesses worse.

Dr. Nolan Williams

In psychiatry, as we elevate the acuity of an individual, you go from being just depressed to being depressed and now thinking about ending your life, the number of treatments actually go down on average.

Dr. Nolan Williams

The heart very consistently seems to be the end organ of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex if you measure heart rate in standard ways that cardiologists measure heart rate and you stimulate over this left dorsolateral, you get a deceleration of the heart rate.

Dr. Nolan Williams

Depression, to your point, is a bunch of kind of spontaneous content that's semi-volitional that's being kind of generated out of this conflict detection system, the cingulate, that seems to sense conflict and kind of feed that information gets overactive in depression and then in depression it looks like the left dorsolateral does not sufficiently clamp down on it.

Dr. Nolan Williams

SSRIs clearly work... but what's powerful and I think what the authors of this paper is extremely controversial patient paper were were in part trying to say was that there's not a there's not a deficit of serotonin, you're not born with what people call a chemical imbalance and psychiatry has known this.

Dr. Nolan Williams

If you can kind of rid yourself of all those socio-cultural constructions and then re-examine this, these, if we just discovered these today, we would say that these sorts of drugs are a huge breakthrough in psychiatry.

Dr. Nolan Williams

If you look at societal risk plus personal risk and you combine those two, what drug is the most dangerous drug in the world? It's alcohol.

Dr. Nolan Williams

Triple Therapy for Circadian Reset in Depression

Dr. Nolan Williams
  1. Sleep deprive the individual for one night.
  2. Shift their sleep-wake phase (specific calculation required).
  3. Expose them to bright light simultaneously.

Stanford Neuromodulation Therapy (SNT) for Rapid Depression Remission

Dr. Nolan Williams
  1. Perform resting state functional connectivity scans to precisely locate the subgenual DLPFC sub-circuit in each individual.
  2. Deliver transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to this specific brain region.
  3. Administer stimulation in a 'space learning' pattern: every hour, on the hour, for 10 hours a day.
  4. Continue this regimen for five consecutive days, delivering a total dose equivalent to 7.5 months of traditional TMS.
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Heart rate deceleration during left DLPFC stimulation Observed during a 2-second train of transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) over the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex.
25%
Percentage of left-handed individuals with right brain dominance In contrast to 1% of right-handed individuals.
3 times
Increase in oral opioid dose required for pain management in depressed patients Compared to non-depressed individuals undergoing total knee replacement by day four post-operation.
1.5 weeks
Average duration of antidepressant effect from a single ketamine infusion Requires repeated infusions for sustained relief.
Approximately two-thirds
Percentage of people experiencing clinically significant PTSD change with MDMA treatment Observed after one to a few MDMA sessions in clinical trials.
20 minutes
Average duration of 5-MeO-DMT psychedelic effect Longer than traditional DMT, which lasts 3-5 minutes.
4 times
Increase in psychosis risk with early use of potent cannabis For individuals aged 14-20, as reported in a Lancet Psychiatry study.